Comments on: Off the top of my head *UPDATED* http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/04/29/off-the-top-of-my-head/ Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:41:26 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/04/29/off-the-top-of-my-head/comment-page-1/#comment-48508 Ymarsakar Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:04:08 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=6256#comment-48508 And don't forget the state department. Kimmit got confirmed for it and he was the one that decided Abu Ghraib should be given to the media for "public justice" instead of the military releasing the photos themselves in order to get ahead of the enemy news OODA cycle. And don’t forget the state department. Kimmit got confirmed for it and he was the one that decided Abu Ghraib should be given to the media for “public justice” instead of the military releasing the photos themselves in order to get ahead of the enemy news OODA cycle.

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/04/29/off-the-top-of-my-head/comment-page-1/#comment-48507 Ymarsakar Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:03:16 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=6256#comment-48507 Until Charles actually gives me something approximating a military intelligence assessment, both threat and psychological, of these "neo-Nazis", I take his pet peeve about as seriously as I do the people who keep going on about Bush and Saudi Arabia. Bush didn't sell us to Saudi Arabia, Obama and Clinton did. Concrete facts that tend to get into people's preconceptions. Until Charles actually gives me something approximating a military intelligence assessment, both threat and psychological, of these “neo-Nazis”, I take his pet peeve about as seriously as I do the people who keep going on about Bush and Saudi Arabia.

Bush didn’t sell us to Saudi Arabia, Obama and Clinton did. Concrete facts that tend to get into people’s preconceptions.

]]> By: Danny Lemieux http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/04/29/off-the-top-of-my-head/comment-page-1/#comment-48486 Danny Lemieux Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:02:34 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=6256#comment-48486 MikeD, speaking as a (half) European, you are absolutely spot-on in your analysis. The reason that EUros resort to mob violence to is that it is the only political outlet that remains available to them. They have been politically disenfranchised for decades. By disenfranchising the middle, the EURO Left has forced people toward extremes. This will also happen in the U.S. under this Democrat regime, now that they have achieved their grip on power. I expect that violent suppression of dissent will be next. Charlie Johnson at LGF has an obsession with the alleged "right wing" nature of dissident parties like Vlaams Belang (Belgium) or the BNP (UK) to the point of totally losing his perspective. The point is, though, these organizations have been demonized beyond recognition by the EURO Left. Why? Because, like the scorpion, the LEFT cannot help being what it is. The Left, whether in America or EUrope, reflexively lies and demonizes because they have no intellectual credibility. I am with Pam Geller of Atlas Shrugged on this one [http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/]. She is ardently Jewish and Zionist and she has no trouble making cause with these organizations and their leaders. As you say so aptly, MikeD, this is all a horror story in the making and we in the U.S. will not be spared. MikeD, speaking as a (half) European, you are absolutely spot-on in your analysis. The reason that EUros resort to mob violence to is that it is the only political outlet that remains available to them. They have been politically disenfranchised for decades. By disenfranchising the middle, the EURO Left has forced people toward extremes. This will also happen in the U.S. under this Democrat regime, now that they have achieved their grip on power. I expect that violent suppression of dissent will be next.

Charlie Johnson at LGF has an obsession with the alleged “right wing” nature of dissident parties like Vlaams Belang (Belgium) or the BNP (UK) to the point of totally losing his perspective. The point is, though, these organizations have been demonized beyond recognition by the EURO Left. Why? Because, like the scorpion, the LEFT cannot help being what it is. The Left, whether in America or EUrope, reflexively lies and demonizes because they have no intellectual credibility.

I am with Pam Geller of Atlas Shrugged on this one [http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/]. She is ardently Jewish and Zionist and she has no trouble making cause with these organizations and their leaders.

As you say so aptly, MikeD, this is all a horror story in the making and we in the U.S. will not be spared.

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/04/29/off-the-top-of-my-head/comment-page-1/#comment-48460 Ymarsakar Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:10:57 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=6256#comment-48460 <B>That’s why we’re getting in but, so far (and thank God) not dying from it, while the Mexicans are very hard it. </b> Bad nutrition, bad healthcare, stress, and horrible sanitation will kill anyone, disease or no disease. As for the neo-nazis, I haven't seen a complete or even partial analysis of their strengths and weaknesses yet. I therefore do not believe them to be a sufficient threat, either to Muslims or to the "moderates". That’s why we’re getting in but, so far (and thank God) not dying from it, while the Mexicans are very hard it.

Bad nutrition, bad healthcare, stress, and horrible sanitation will kill anyone, disease or no disease.

As for the neo-nazis, I haven’t seen a complete or even partial analysis of their strengths and weaknesses yet. I therefore do not believe them to be a sufficient threat, either to Muslims or to the “moderates”.

]]> By: Mike Devx http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/04/29/off-the-top-of-my-head/comment-page-1/#comment-48431 Mike Devx Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:48:48 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=6256#comment-48431 Book said, <i>All of which is to say that, once you make common cause with those Europeans who are worried about Islamists, you seem invariably to fall into bed with the neo-nazis. The European moderates are still moving lumpenly through the PC mist, and only the extremists are reacting — and they’re doing so extremely.</i> I'm not going to blame these poor Europeans for climbing into bed with their intolerant hard core nationalists. They have absolutely nowhere else to turn. The entire mechanism of their national governments and the supranational EU tyranny is focused on denying them any control over their futures. This includes the rapidly escalating Islamization of all European countries. More and more EU leaders are saying that they must "be nice to Islam" so that when Islam comes into control in a decade or two, the Islamists "will then by nice to them". At the same time the actions of the EU are ensuring that only the hardline Islamist jihadists will establish control over the EU. The scope of the mistake they are making is stunning in its scope. If you envision just what is going to happen, it goes from stunning to horrifying. A horror movie could be made about the year 2030 in Europe. As each year passes, more and more of the ordinary people in the EU sense this, and their attitude is shifting from unconcern to concern to alarm to even terror. This will only continue. What can they do, when the entire government suppresses their ability to effect any change? Especially when the solution truly is, in fact, a return to nationalism, a return to religious principles, and the importance of faith and family? That is the path that restores to the people their God-given freedoms and liberty. (They must also take responsibility for national defense and slash social welfare programs, but that's a derivative responsibility...) The only leadership they see around them, that will allow the people to save themselves, is those hard-line hard-core, often bigoted and intolerant parties on the fringe of the right. It's understandable then that, rather than simply surrender, they're going to throw in with those parties. Perhaps other national parties will emerge that aren't intolerant, racist, and bigoted. But for now, that's the only game in town. I can't blame the people for at least temporarily, throwing their support there. Book said,
All of which is to say that, once you make common cause with those Europeans who are worried about Islamists, you seem invariably to fall into bed with the neo-nazis. The European moderates are still moving lumpenly through the PC mist, and only the extremists are reacting — and they’re doing so extremely.

I’m not going to blame these poor Europeans for climbing into bed with their intolerant hard core nationalists. They have absolutely nowhere else to turn.

The entire mechanism of their national governments and the supranational EU tyranny is focused on denying them any control over their futures. This includes the rapidly escalating Islamization of all European countries. More and more EU leaders are saying that they must “be nice to Islam” so that when Islam comes into control in a decade or two, the Islamists “will then by nice to them”.

At the same time the actions of the EU are ensuring that only the hardline Islamist jihadists will establish control over the EU. The scope of the mistake they are making is stunning in its scope. If you envision just what is going to happen, it goes from stunning to horrifying. A horror movie could be made about the year 2030 in Europe.

As each year passes, more and more of the ordinary people in the EU sense this, and their attitude is shifting from unconcern to concern to alarm to even terror. This will only continue. What can they do, when the entire government suppresses their ability to effect any change?

Especially when the solution truly is, in fact, a return to nationalism, a return to religious principles, and the importance of faith and family? That is the path that restores to the people their God-given freedoms and liberty. (They must also take responsibility for national defense and slash social welfare programs, but that’s a derivative responsibility…)

The only leadership they see around them, that will allow the people to save themselves, is those hard-line hard-core, often bigoted and intolerant parties on the fringe of the right. It’s understandable then that, rather than simply surrender, they’re going to throw in with those parties.

Perhaps other national parties will emerge that aren’t intolerant, racist, and bigoted. But for now, that’s the only game in town. I can’t blame the people for at least temporarily, throwing their support there.

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