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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;Y…you’ll enjoy reading this, I think. Actually, it’s an heroic tale that should be told all of our young people, right along with the repetition of the story of Benedict Arnold. War does, indeed, test the caliber of a man’s character.&lt;/b&gt;

I never studied the Phillippine Campaigns as much as I did the Pacific or the Russian front in Europe.

However, I did know parts of it. And it was those parts that inevitably made me understand the horrible lie of the Left when they said that the &quot;insurgency&quot; in Iraq would defeat us because they were true &quot;freedom fighters&quot; and we were the &quot;foreign invaders&quot;. Americans, real Americans, have already proven to be better at insurgency and guerrilla warfare than the most evil and corrupt communist agitators. As we have already proven that we are the best at conventional warfare as well.

If our record on guerrilla war is sparse, it is only because we have had few opportunities to conduct them, for the need has not been either great nor plentiful given American advantages in numbers, tactical and strategic coordination, logistical manufacturing capabilities, and technology.

A guerrilla movement can survive, but it can never win without the backing of a conventional army that can defeat the enemy on the field in order to make that enemy retreat and give up ground and towns and people it controls.

This was the proof for why the Left lied. Because they knew the NVA only won in Vietnam because they made America forfeit, yet they claimed that guerrilla movements were invincible. They are not.

Part of the ability to detect lies is to know what has gone before. This is why people lacking in life experience are more susceptible to cons, cause they are naive. They believe what they shouldn&#039;t believe, because they don&#039;t know any better. They don&#039;t know &lt;B&gt;what to believe&lt;/b&gt; because they have not lived long enough to learn how to decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Y…you’ll enjoy reading this, I think. Actually, it’s an heroic tale that should be told all of our young people, right along with the repetition of the story of Benedict Arnold. War does, indeed, test the caliber of a man’s character.</b></p>
<p>I never studied the Phillippine Campaigns as much as I did the Pacific or the Russian front in Europe.</p>
<p>However, I did know parts of it. And it was those parts that inevitably made me understand the horrible lie of the Left when they said that the &#8220;insurgency&#8221; in Iraq would defeat us because they were true &#8220;freedom fighters&#8221; and we were the &#8220;foreign invaders&#8221;. Americans, real Americans, have already proven to be better at insurgency and guerrilla warfare than the most evil and corrupt communist agitators. As we have already proven that we are the best at conventional warfare as well.</p>
<p>If our record on guerrilla war is sparse, it is only because we have had few opportunities to conduct them, for the need has not been either great nor plentiful given American advantages in numbers, tactical and strategic coordination, logistical manufacturing capabilities, and technology.</p>
<p>A guerrilla movement can survive, but it can never win without the backing of a conventional army that can defeat the enemy on the field in order to make that enemy retreat and give up ground and towns and people it controls.</p>
<p>This was the proof for why the Left lied. Because they knew the NVA only won in Vietnam because they made America forfeit, yet they claimed that guerrilla movements were invincible. They are not.</p>
<p>Part of the ability to detect lies is to know what has gone before. This is why people lacking in life experience are more susceptible to cons, cause they are naive. They believe what they shouldn&#8217;t believe, because they don&#8217;t know any better. They don&#8217;t know <b>what to believe</b> because they have not lived long enough to learn how to decide.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/05/25/memorial-day-2/comment-page-1/#comment-49915</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 16:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadie,

As for military and the topic of leadership, I tend to think the aspects of leadership are best learned there if only because it is much easier to see good leaders vs bad leaders. Bad leaders get their people killed, they create a lack of discipline like Abu Ghraib, and they inevitably order others to do what they themselves refuse to do. Good leaders bring their people home alive, along with many many other facets.

In war, a Kerry can be spotted pretty fast. In peace, perhaps not so much.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://rhinoden.rangerup.com/nicks-rules-on-leadership/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rules on Leadership&lt;/a&gt;

This is the link by NIck of RangerUp, former LT in the Rangers.

As you read it, you will notice elements most needed in a CINC or politician.

War is the most brutal and the most efficient (although only in the sense that it kills off bad leaders and promotes the good ones, at least those that survive the mistakes of their incompetent commanders) and best way to train leaders to the highest standard although not the safest way. And it is the only thing that can even make it clear to those living in the la la fantasy land of partisan self-interest, as well. For did not Leonidas make an example of himself to such a spectacular level that even the fractious and tribal Greeks were inspired?

&lt;B&gt;but I would still like to believe that the voters are ultimately the ‘barrier to corruption’… &lt;/b&gt;

The voters as individual human beings do not make decisions in a vacuum. Their behaviors are affected by human social dynamics, propaganda, coercion, violence, self-interest, greed, etc. The political system of the US must be refined so as to promote good behavior by punishing through extreme prejudice bad behavior and rewarding good behavior.

Without the necessary societal context, laws, traditions, and philosophies (including religion) to tell people what actions they will be punished or rewarded for doing, the individual is nothing but a piece of flotsam drifting on the seas, moving where ever the waves carry it.

The voters are not, cannot, and has never been the ultimate barrier to corruption. And it does not even matter if most of them want to get rid of corruption, for corruption uses people&#039;s good intentions as well as bad. What stops corruption is the rule of law, justice, fairness even so corruption on one side affects everybody and thus forces everybody to get rid of it. Overlapping protections that create a balance of power. To fight corruption using corrupt people, to fight greed using greedy actors. This is the best available given the fact that human vices cannot be eliminated, for it is part of human nature and human nature has never changed one iota.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadie,</p>
<p>As for military and the topic of leadership, I tend to think the aspects of leadership are best learned there if only because it is much easier to see good leaders vs bad leaders. Bad leaders get their people killed, they create a lack of discipline like Abu Ghraib, and they inevitably order others to do what they themselves refuse to do. Good leaders bring their people home alive, along with many many other facets.</p>
<p>In war, a Kerry can be spotted pretty fast. In peace, perhaps not so much.</p>
<p><a href="http://rhinoden.rangerup.com/nicks-rules-on-leadership/" rel="nofollow">Rules on Leadership</a></p>
<p>This is the link by NIck of RangerUp, former LT in the Rangers.</p>
<p>As you read it, you will notice elements most needed in a CINC or politician.</p>
<p>War is the most brutal and the most efficient (although only in the sense that it kills off bad leaders and promotes the good ones, at least those that survive the mistakes of their incompetent commanders) and best way to train leaders to the highest standard although not the safest way. And it is the only thing that can even make it clear to those living in the la la fantasy land of partisan self-interest, as well. For did not Leonidas make an example of himself to such a spectacular level that even the fractious and tribal Greeks were inspired?</p>
<p><b>but I would still like to believe that the voters are ultimately the ‘barrier to corruption’… </b></p>
<p>The voters as individual human beings do not make decisions in a vacuum. Their behaviors are affected by human social dynamics, propaganda, coercion, violence, self-interest, greed, etc. The political system of the US must be refined so as to promote good behavior by punishing through extreme prejudice bad behavior and rewarding good behavior.</p>
<p>Without the necessary societal context, laws, traditions, and philosophies (including religion) to tell people what actions they will be punished or rewarded for doing, the individual is nothing but a piece of flotsam drifting on the seas, moving where ever the waves carry it.</p>
<p>The voters are not, cannot, and has never been the ultimate barrier to corruption. And it does not even matter if most of them want to get rid of corruption, for corruption uses people&#8217;s good intentions as well as bad. What stops corruption is the rule of law, justice, fairness even so corruption on one side affects everybody and thus forces everybody to get rid of it. Overlapping protections that create a balance of power. To fight corruption using corrupt people, to fight greed using greedy actors. This is the best available given the fact that human vices cannot be eliminated, for it is part of human nature and human nature has never changed one iota.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 16:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y...you&#039;ll enjoy reading this, I think.  Actually, it&#039;s an heroic tale that should be told all of our young people, right along with the repetition of the story of Benedict Arnold.  War does, indeed, test the caliber of a man&#039;s character.

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/05/only-those-who-are-willing-to-die-are.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8230;you&#8217;ll enjoy reading this, I think.  Actually, it&#8217;s an heroic tale that should be told all of our young people, right along with the repetition of the story of Benedict Arnold.  War does, indeed, test the caliber of a man&#8217;s character.</p>
<p><a href="http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/05/only-those-who-are-willing-to-die-are.html" rel="nofollow">http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/05/only-those-who-are-willing-to-die-are.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/05/25/memorial-day-2/comment-page-1/#comment-49908</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benedict Arnold&#039;s treason, purely for personal grievances although he told himself it was because &quot;America couldn&#039;t possibly win the war against Great Britain&quot;, was so spectacular that his name became a noun and a description for traitors: a benedict arnold.

It is indicative of our current social and education climate that we no longer call traitors &quot;Benedict Arnolds&quot;. We call them traitors or those engaging in treason, but treason has lost its meaning because if one cannot remember Arnold, one cannot understand the meaning of treason.

This is part of the Left&#039;s 1984 style re-envisioning of the English language to define it only in terms that favor Leftist propaganda and ideology.

&lt;B&gt;Of course I wouldn’t know how many who were given the choice benefited from the experience.&lt;/b&gt;

Most of those, I suspect, went into the Marine Corps. Even the judge would still give you a choice between Navy vs Marines. This tends to create a self-selection where the people without the necessary drive opts out for what they perceive as the &quot;easy&quot; solution, which inevitably means that they have set themselves up for failure irrespective of how &quot;easy&quot; it really will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benedict Arnold&#8217;s treason, purely for personal grievances although he told himself it was because &#8220;America couldn&#8217;t possibly win the war against Great Britain&#8221;, was so spectacular that his name became a noun and a description for traitors: a benedict arnold.</p>
<p>It is indicative of our current social and education climate that we no longer call traitors &#8220;Benedict Arnolds&#8221;. We call them traitors or those engaging in treason, but treason has lost its meaning because if one cannot remember Arnold, one cannot understand the meaning of treason.</p>
<p>This is part of the Left&#8217;s 1984 style re-envisioning of the English language to define it only in terms that favor Leftist propaganda and ideology.</p>
<p><b>Of course I wouldn’t know how many who were given the choice benefited from the experience.</b></p>
<p>Most of those, I suspect, went into the Marine Corps. Even the judge would still give you a choice between Navy vs Marines. This tends to create a self-selection where the people without the necessary drive opts out for what they perceive as the &#8220;easy&#8221; solution, which inevitably means that they have set themselves up for failure irrespective of how &#8220;easy&#8221; it really will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Oldflyer</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny, I can&#039;t believe that I forgot Clinton.  There must be a psychological explanation.  

No doubt that the military contains its share, if not more, of miscreants.  Kerry is a an excellent example.

Just a note on the idea of military service for its individual benefit.  In years past I have sat on more than one Court Martial in which the defendant upon being asked why he came in the Navy since he obviously hated it, replied...the Judge gave me the choice.  Of course I wouldn&#039;t know how many who were given the choice benefited from the experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny, I can&#8217;t believe that I forgot Clinton.  There must be a psychological explanation.  </p>
<p>No doubt that the military contains its share, if not more, of miscreants.  Kerry is a an excellent example.</p>
<p>Just a note on the idea of military service for its individual benefit.  In years past I have sat on more than one Court Martial in which the defendant upon being asked why he came in the Navy since he obviously hated it, replied&#8230;the Judge gave me the choice.  Of course I wouldn&#8217;t know how many who were given the choice benefited from the experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Gringo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gringo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 14:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if news of this has already been posted here: Book has a piece up at American Thinker.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/how_to_talk_to_a_liberal_if_yo.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How to Talk to a Liberal If You Really Want to Change His Mind.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if news of this has already been posted here: Book has a piece up at American Thinker.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/how_to_talk_to_a_liberal_if_yo.html" rel="nofollow">How to Talk to a Liberal If You Really Want to Change His Mind.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 12:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oldflyer, with all due respect, you forgot Clinton. Let&#039;s also not forget that some of our worst traitors were Americans with military experience...Benedict Arnold, McClellan, Oswald...and some of us would add &quot;winter warrior&quot; Kerry to that list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldflyer, with all due respect, you forgot Clinton. Let&#8217;s also not forget that some of our worst traitors were Americans with military experience&#8230;Benedict Arnold, McClellan, Oswald&#8230;and some of us would add &#8220;winter warrior&#8221; Kerry to that list.</p>
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		<title>By: SADIE</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 05:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Executive experience seems like a fine idea. 

Would this be the same group that threw good sense to the wind or thought Bernie Madoff was a great executive with financial flair. My point (sarcasm aside) is that the country has moved into a direction that asks few questions, knows less than previous generations and is far removed from living history. 

My voice may be reflecting my age and reasoning believing that the &#039;youth&#039; vote has inserted itself into politics via American Idol type of thinking to create their very own version of what a candidate should be. 

They&#039;re in for a rude awakening when they find out that sweet song was sung by Milli Vanilli.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Executive experience seems like a fine idea. </p>
<p>Would this be the same group that threw good sense to the wind or thought Bernie Madoff was a great executive with financial flair. My point (sarcasm aside) is that the country has moved into a direction that asks few questions, knows less than previous generations and is far removed from living history. </p>
<p>My voice may be reflecting my age and reasoning believing that the &#8216;youth&#8217; vote has inserted itself into politics via American Idol type of thinking to create their very own version of what a candidate should be. </p>
<p>They&#8217;re in for a rude awakening when they find out that sweet song was sung by Milli Vanilli.</p>
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		<title>By: Oldflyer</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 01:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting Sadie.  I just reflected and realized that Obama is the first President since FDR who did not have some form of military service.  True, Reagan&#039;s was a little different; and some people, but not I, would disparage G.W. Bush&#039;s ANG service; but they all committed to serve in some form.  Of course, FDR, Reagan and Bush all had Executive experience.

Although I believe that military service is beneficial for many young people, I don&#039;t believe it should be a pre-requisite  to be President.  On the other hand, I have always thought that American voters would be wise to insist on Executive experience, unless a candidate has exceptional credentials of another type.   I simply think that it is much too easy to hide amongst the crowd in the legislative branch.

Of course, this is all somewhat irrelevant to the problem of the day, because  the country simply threw all  good sense to the wind in 2008 when a charlatan sang his sweet song.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting Sadie.  I just reflected and realized that Obama is the first President since FDR who did not have some form of military service.  True, Reagan&#8217;s was a little different; and some people, but not I, would disparage G.W. Bush&#8217;s ANG service; but they all committed to serve in some form.  Of course, FDR, Reagan and Bush all had Executive experience.</p>
<p>Although I believe that military service is beneficial for many young people, I don&#8217;t believe it should be a pre-requisite  to be President.  On the other hand, I have always thought that American voters would be wise to insist on Executive experience, unless a candidate has exceptional credentials of another type.   I simply think that it is much too easy to hide amongst the crowd in the legislative branch.</p>
<p>Of course, this is all somewhat irrelevant to the problem of the day, because  the country simply threw all  good sense to the wind in 2008 when a charlatan sang his sweet song.</p>
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		<title>By: SADIE</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 00:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US military cannot solve the American penchant for keeping power mad politicians in office.

I wasn&#039;t suggesting that a Commander in Chief, who first served in uniform, would be any better or worse, only that it set a good example. Otherwise, we will continue to have photos ops like &quot;Skip Biden&quot; giving commencement addresses to the Naval Academy.

The megalomaniacs are not limited to America and they are known by many names; tyrants, kings, supreme ruler of (fill in the country of choice). The more disturbing point is that we actual elect them every four years. 

p.s. Your comments in post #4 were right on target, but I would still like to believe that the voters are ultimately the &#039;barrier to corruption&#039;... I just have no idea as to when and what it would take for the majority to grab their pitchforks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US military cannot solve the American penchant for keeping power mad politicians in office.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t suggesting that a Commander in Chief, who first served in uniform, would be any better or worse, only that it set a good example. Otherwise, we will continue to have photos ops like &#8220;Skip Biden&#8221; giving commencement addresses to the Naval Academy.</p>
<p>The megalomaniacs are not limited to America and they are known by many names; tyrants, kings, supreme ruler of (fill in the country of choice). The more disturbing point is that we actual elect them every four years. </p>
<p>p.s. Your comments in post #4 were right on target, but I would still like to believe that the voters are ultimately the &#8216;barrier to corruption&#8217;&#8230; I just have no idea as to when and what it would take for the majority to grab their pitchforks.</p>
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