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	<description>Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts.</description>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/05/26/tuesday-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-49992</link>
		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, she _was_ pretty...but I meant that to mean &quot;pretty young&quot; with pretty modifying young, not child.  The other two cases were boys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, she _was_ pretty&#8230;but I meant that to mean &#8220;pretty young&#8221; with pretty modifying young, not child.  The other two cases were boys.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/05/26/tuesday-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-49991</link>
		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the Spanish speaking immigrant...

We had a customer in the store yesterday who brought along his _maybe_ ten year old daughter to help him look for a part.  This is at least the third same situation - where the parent speaks virtually _no_ English, and is totally dependent on a pretty young child to translate.  The skills of the child are remarkable - the language goes in the ear in Spanish, and comes out the mouth in English - and viceversa.  There&#039;s still a problem - it&#039;s hard enough to determine electrical parts needed when we&#039;re talking adults with the same language...but the child has absolutely no idea what sort of electrical requirements her father had - just the words.  I have no idea if he knew the right words for the parts in Spanish and she didn&#039;t know them in English, but we went to the picture books for help (catalogs).  Actually, I suspect he didn&#039;t know them either.  And the child was so self-possessed.  I told her to tell her father he needed to learn English - he&#039;d only have her for another 7-8 years.  I&#039;m not sure she translated that, but in the other two cases, the translation was so automatic that I think there was no thought process inbetween that allowed for a censorship function.  She couldn&#039;t get better preparation for _some_ career!

Cute as a button, she was.  She could come home with me in a heartbeat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the Spanish speaking immigrant&#8230;</p>
<p>We had a customer in the store yesterday who brought along his _maybe_ ten year old daughter to help him look for a part.  This is at least the third same situation &#8211; where the parent speaks virtually _no_ English, and is totally dependent on a pretty young child to translate.  The skills of the child are remarkable &#8211; the language goes in the ear in Spanish, and comes out the mouth in English &#8211; and viceversa.  There&#8217;s still a problem &#8211; it&#8217;s hard enough to determine electrical parts needed when we&#8217;re talking adults with the same language&#8230;but the child has absolutely no idea what sort of electrical requirements her father had &#8211; just the words.  I have no idea if he knew the right words for the parts in Spanish and she didn&#8217;t know them in English, but we went to the picture books for help (catalogs).  Actually, I suspect he didn&#8217;t know them either.  And the child was so self-possessed.  I told her to tell her father he needed to learn English &#8211; he&#8217;d only have her for another 7-8 years.  I&#8217;m not sure she translated that, but in the other two cases, the translation was so automatic that I think there was no thought process inbetween that allowed for a censorship function.  She couldn&#8217;t get better preparation for _some_ career!</p>
<p>Cute as a button, she was.  She could come home with me in a heartbeat!</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/05/26/tuesday-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-49990</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People will not trust each other until and unless 1. they are required to mutually rely on each other for survival and 2. a greater power than all factions combined sits as a Sword of Damocles to enforce good conduct on ALL sides.

People will always distrust each other. Force, violence, discipline, law and order are the solutions that will make them forget their differences in order to work together for a better tomorrow.

The Left seeks unity by coercion and the elimination of free will and the denial of human nature. Thus they inevitably produce huge amounts of uncontrolled violence, societal upheaval, lack of discipline, and a huge decrease in trust, which inevitably eliminates law and order. It is only by applying the iron to the anvil and hammering it hard, over and over again, do you get something approaching societal harmony, &quot;equality&quot;, or &quot;unity&quot;.

First off, the Left must be hammered into oblivion. Their beliefs destroyed and discredited on the level of the Nazis, if only by killing all of the Nazi leaders and intellectual priests. Their power must be broken, if only by physically eliminating their power wielders and holders. Until they are removed from the field of battle, any reconstruction on the part of America, like in Iraq, would be futile. The terrorists would just blow it up a day later. Eliminate the terrorists first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People will not trust each other until and unless 1. they are required to mutually rely on each other for survival and 2. a greater power than all factions combined sits as a Sword of Damocles to enforce good conduct on ALL sides.</p>
<p>People will always distrust each other. Force, violence, discipline, law and order are the solutions that will make them forget their differences in order to work together for a better tomorrow.</p>
<p>The Left seeks unity by coercion and the elimination of free will and the denial of human nature. Thus they inevitably produce huge amounts of uncontrolled violence, societal upheaval, lack of discipline, and a huge decrease in trust, which inevitably eliminates law and order. It is only by applying the iron to the anvil and hammering it hard, over and over again, do you get something approaching societal harmony, &#8220;equality&#8221;, or &#8220;unity&#8221;.</p>
<p>First off, the Left must be hammered into oblivion. Their beliefs destroyed and discredited on the level of the Nazis, if only by killing all of the Nazi leaders and intellectual priests. Their power must be broken, if only by physically eliminating their power wielders and holders. Until they are removed from the field of battle, any reconstruction on the part of America, like in Iraq, would be futile. The terrorists would just blow it up a day later. Eliminate the terrorists first.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/05/26/tuesday-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-49985</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 13:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s more complicated than that: working in a factory early in my career, I was quickly corrected by the largely &quot;Spanish-speaking&quot; workforce on my terminology: 

I learned that &quot;Spanish&quot; referred to people who had been living in the now-US when the Americans took it from Mexico in the 1800s, &quot;Tejano&quot; was a Texan of Mexican-Indian descent (usually borderlands), &quot;Mexican-American&quot; was a person who was at-least 2nd generation American, &quot;Chicano&quot; was a first-generation American of ethnic-Mexican/Indian origin, and &quot;illegal&quot; or &quot;wet back&quot; was an illegal immigrant. 

I also learned that the largely ethnic-Mexican workforce felt very little in common with other &quot;Hispanics&quot; (esp. those from Cuba and Puerto Rico) and that the just-described terminology breakdown reflected a status-based hierarchy that was rigidly enforced. Those that had just crossed the river needed to earn their stripes in America. And, heaven-help-me if I ever got it wrong (I very quickly learned who was &quot;Spanish&quot;). 

Me? I liked working with all of them, found them to be very hard workers, fun-loving and, overall, to have great family values. My experience with them in those days as well as living in a Tejano-dominated neighborhood is a very big reason why I don&#039;t get on the anti-&quot;Spanish speaking&quot; immigrant kick that a lot of my fellow conservatives do (yes, yes, yes...I know...note that I said &quot;anti-immigrant&quot;, not &quot;anti-illegal immigrant&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s more complicated than that: working in a factory early in my career, I was quickly corrected by the largely &#8220;Spanish-speaking&#8221; workforce on my terminology: </p>
<p>I learned that &#8220;Spanish&#8221; referred to people who had been living in the now-US when the Americans took it from Mexico in the 1800s, &#8220;Tejano&#8221; was a Texan of Mexican-Indian descent (usually borderlands), &#8220;Mexican-American&#8221; was a person who was at-least 2nd generation American, &#8220;Chicano&#8221; was a first-generation American of ethnic-Mexican/Indian origin, and &#8220;illegal&#8221; or &#8220;wet back&#8221; was an illegal immigrant. </p>
<p>I also learned that the largely ethnic-Mexican workforce felt very little in common with other &#8220;Hispanics&#8221; (esp. those from Cuba and Puerto Rico) and that the just-described terminology breakdown reflected a status-based hierarchy that was rigidly enforced. Those that had just crossed the river needed to earn their stripes in America. And, heaven-help-me if I ever got it wrong (I very quickly learned who was &#8220;Spanish&#8221;). </p>
<p>Me? I liked working with all of them, found them to be very hard workers, fun-loving and, overall, to have great family values. My experience with them in those days as well as living in a Tejano-dominated neighborhood is a very big reason why I don&#8217;t get on the anti-&#8221;Spanish speaking&#8221; immigrant kick that a lot of my fellow conservatives do (yes, yes, yes&#8230;I know&#8230;note that I said &#8220;anti-immigrant&#8221;, not &#8220;anti-illegal immigrant&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: SADIE</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/05/26/tuesday-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-49983</link>
		<dc:creator>SADIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 13:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone following the Hispanic vs Latino identity can read this link. Government vs Grass Roots vs who&#039;s calling who what.

Oldflyer reference to a &quot;minefield&#039; is right on target.

http://www.lasculturas.com/aa/aa070501a.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone following the Hispanic vs Latino identity can read this link. Government vs Grass Roots vs who&#8217;s calling who what.</p>
<p>Oldflyer reference to a &#8220;minefield&#8217; is right on target.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lasculturas.com/aa/aa070501a.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.lasculturas.com/aa/aa070501a.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 12:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To refer back to one of your earlier posts about politically motivated car dealership closings, the news from Gateway Pundit is starting to indicate that you really are onto something, Book:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/05/shock-big-dem-donor-group-gets-to-keep.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To refer back to one of your earlier posts about politically motivated car dealership closings, the news from Gateway Pundit is starting to indicate that you really are onto something, Book:</p>
<p><a href="http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/05/shock-big-dem-donor-group-gets-to-keep.html" rel="nofollow">http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/05/shock-big-dem-donor-group-gets-to-keep.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: SADIE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SADIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 04:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Dims attacked him because they were determined not to let Bush appoint a Latino to the Supreme Court for fear it would dilute their Latino vote.&quot;

What a bunch of wishy washy warts. 
Now that the dimwits have the advantage that&#039;s exactly what they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Dims attacked him because they were determined not to let Bush appoint a Latino to the Supreme Court for fear it would dilute their Latino vote.&#8221;</p>
<p>What a bunch of wishy washy warts.<br />
Now that the dimwits have the advantage that&#8217;s exactly what they want.</p>
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		<title>By: Oldflyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oldflyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 02:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not chiding you Sadie.  My comment was intended as a reflection on this whole group identity business, and the changing target of  what is acceptable.  I am not revealing any secrets when I say it can be a minefield figuring out what is currently in fashion.

I note in the line you quoted from me, that I back-slid (as we Baptists used to say) and referred to Estrada as a Hispanic when I should have said Latino (although back when Estrada was an issue, Hispanic may have been the acceptable term--I don&#039;t remember).  The Dims attacked him because they were determined not to let Bush appoint a Latino to the Supreme Court for fear it would dilute their Latino vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not chiding you Sadie.  My comment was intended as a reflection on this whole group identity business, and the changing target of  what is acceptable.  I am not revealing any secrets when I say it can be a minefield figuring out what is currently in fashion.</p>
<p>I note in the line you quoted from me, that I back-slid (as we Baptists used to say) and referred to Estrada as a Hispanic when I should have said Latino (although back when Estrada was an issue, Hispanic may have been the acceptable term&#8211;I don&#8217;t remember).  The Dims attacked him because they were determined not to let Bush appoint a Latino to the Supreme Court for fear it would dilute their Latino vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/05/26/tuesday-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-49970</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 00:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;The Californian-born artist said: &#039;It seems almost universal that people take delight in being visually tricked.&#039;&lt;/b&gt;

Magnificent. Truly a work of art in the best traditions of human aesthetics and beauty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The Californian-born artist said: &#8216;It seems almost universal that people take delight in being visually tricked.&#8217;</b></p>
<p>Magnificent. Truly a work of art in the best traditions of human aesthetics and beauty.</p>
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		<title>By: SADIE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SADIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 22:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oldflyer... Oh my, I&#039;ve stepped in the elephant dung now according to Dave (wink-wink) - Latino vs Hispanic. 

I am clueless as to which applies to whom and where and when now. Might have to be a tad creative and start using Histino.

You raised an interesting point, up to a point...

&quot;One Senator, and I forget which, listed all of the strikes against him and among those was the fact that he was–too Hispanic. You have to hand it to the Dimocrats, they are not afraid to call a spade a spade, so to speak.&quot;

The Dems were not really ready to go with too heavy a hand with identity politics, which is possibly why &#039;O&#039; made the cut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldflyer&#8230; Oh my, I&#8217;ve stepped in the elephant dung now according to Dave (wink-wink) &#8211; Latino vs Hispanic. </p>
<p>I am clueless as to which applies to whom and where and when now. Might have to be a tad creative and start using Histino.</p>
<p>You raised an interesting point, up to a point&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;One Senator, and I forget which, listed all of the strikes against him and among those was the fact that he was–too Hispanic. You have to hand it to the Dimocrats, they are not afraid to call a spade a spade, so to speak.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Dems were not really ready to go with too heavy a hand with identity politics, which is possibly why &#8216;O&#8217; made the cut.</p>
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