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	<description>Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts.</description>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/06/11/thursday-morning-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-50876</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;even old-line liberals…is that they tend to view government as an idealized parent-figure, not understanding that it is simply an aggregate of individuals who are themselves economic actors, pursuing their own desires for power, influence, wealth, and security.&lt;/b&gt;

The thing is, they understand what the &quot;aggregate of individuals&quot; mean. After all, they were the first ones to say that Cheney and Rumsfelds were the real power behind the throne while Bush was a puppet. It is not that they don&#039;t get what goes on in government. It is that they think they can do it better. They hire it out to be done, which they consider superior than those dirtying their hands with blood or real work.

They think they can make people better by making a society into their utopia. And it does not particularly matter who must be eliminated for that to happen. Since, after all, it won&#039;t ever happen and thus they will never run out of people needing elimination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>even old-line liberals…is that they tend to view government as an idealized parent-figure, not understanding that it is simply an aggregate of individuals who are themselves economic actors, pursuing their own desires for power, influence, wealth, and security.</b></p>
<p>The thing is, they understand what the &#8220;aggregate of individuals&#8221; mean. After all, they were the first ones to say that Cheney and Rumsfelds were the real power behind the throne while Bush was a puppet. It is not that they don&#8217;t get what goes on in government. It is that they think they can do it better. They hire it out to be done, which they consider superior than those dirtying their hands with blood or real work.</p>
<p>They think they can make people better by making a society into their utopia. And it does not particularly matter who must be eliminated for that to happen. Since, after all, it won&#8217;t ever happen and thus they will never run out of people needing elimination.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/06/11/thursday-morning-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-50875</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;Well, I don’t even trust you to do that.&lt;/b&gt;

Always put the point of the blade in the eye of the opponent. Never in yourself as you sit passively by in a defensive crouch endlessly worrying about what they will do or say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Well, I don’t even trust you to do that.</b></p>
<p>Always put the point of the blade in the eye of the opponent. Never in yourself as you sit passively by in a defensive crouch endlessly worrying about what they will do or say.</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/06/11/thursday-morning-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-50871</link>
		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BrianE...good points from Friedman. One thing I&#039;ve observed about &quot;progressives&quot;...and even old-line liberals...is that they tend to view government as an idealized parent-figure, not understanding that it is simply an aggregate of individuals who are themselves economic actors, pursuing their own desires for power, influence, wealth, and security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BrianE&#8230;good points from Friedman. One thing I&#8217;ve observed about &#8220;progressives&#8221;&#8230;and even old-line liberals&#8230;is that they tend to view government as an idealized parent-figure, not understanding that it is simply an aggregate of individuals who are themselves economic actors, pursuing their own desires for power, influence, wealth, and security.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zing! Depressingly well put, YM. 

My concern is not so much that Obama is ignorant but that he (or his handlers) know exactly what he is doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zing! Depressingly well put, YM. </p>
<p>My concern is not so much that Obama is ignorant but that he (or his handlers) know exactly what he is doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Obama is ignorant, then the American people are even more ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Obama is ignorant, then the American people are even more ignorant.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, so much here.

I saw this comment on Althouse and thought it worth sharing. It must fit something here!

&lt;blockquote&gt;  Pogo said... 
&quot;Phil Donohue: When you see around the globe the maldistribution of wealth, the desperate plight of millions of people in underdeveloped countries. When you see so few haves and so many have-nots. When you see the greed and the concentration of power. Did you ever have a moment of doubt about capitalism? And whether greed is a good idea to run on?

Milton Friedman: Well first of all tell me, is there some society you know that doesn’t run on greed? You think Russia doesn’t run on greed? You think China doesn’t run on greed? What is greed? Of course none of us are greedy. It’s only the other fella that’s greedy. The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. The greatest achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the automobile industry that way. In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty that you are talking about, the only cases in recorded history are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade. If you want to know where the masses are worst off, it’s exactly in the kind of societies that depart from that.

So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear, there is no alternative way, so far discovered, of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by a free enterprise system.

Phil Donohue: Seems to reward not virtue as much as the ability to manipulate the system.

Milton Friedman: And what does reward virtue? You think the Communist commissar rewards virtue? You think a Hitler rewards virtue? Do you think… American presidents reward virtue? Do they choose their appointees on the basis of the virtue of the people appointed or on the basis of political clout? Is it really true that political self-interest is nobler somehow than economic self-interest? You know I think you are taking a lot of things for granted. And just tell me where in the world you find these angels that are going to organize society for us? Well, I don’t even trust you to do that.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, so much here.</p>
<p>I saw this comment on Althouse and thought it worth sharing. It must fit something here!</p>
<blockquote><p>  Pogo said&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Phil Donohue: When you see around the globe the maldistribution of wealth, the desperate plight of millions of people in underdeveloped countries. When you see so few haves and so many have-nots. When you see the greed and the concentration of power. Did you ever have a moment of doubt about capitalism? And whether greed is a good idea to run on?</p>
<p>Milton Friedman: Well first of all tell me, is there some society you know that doesn’t run on greed? You think Russia doesn’t run on greed? You think China doesn’t run on greed? What is greed? Of course none of us are greedy. It’s only the other fella that’s greedy. The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. The greatest achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the automobile industry that way. In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty that you are talking about, the only cases in recorded history are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade. If you want to know where the masses are worst off, it’s exactly in the kind of societies that depart from that.</p>
<p>So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear, there is no alternative way, so far discovered, of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by a free enterprise system.</p>
<p>Phil Donohue: Seems to reward not virtue as much as the ability to manipulate the system.</p>
<p>Milton Friedman: And what does reward virtue? You think the Communist commissar rewards virtue? You think a Hitler rewards virtue? Do you think… American presidents reward virtue? Do they choose their appointees on the basis of the virtue of the people appointed or on the basis of political clout? Is it really true that political self-interest is nobler somehow than economic self-interest? You know I think you are taking a lot of things for granted. And just tell me where in the world you find these angels that are going to organize society for us? Well, I don’t even trust you to do that.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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