Grading Netanyahu’s speech

I commented on and graded Obama’s much heralded speech to the Muslim world, so I think it only fair to grade Bibi’s speech, which is directed to much the same audience (plus the western world, too).  As I did with Obama’s speech, I’m making me comments in real time, without having read ahead, so every phrase is taken on its own terms, without the benefit of subsequent information.  The summary in the next two paragraphs is something I wrote after inserting my red font comments in the speech.

I give Bibi’s speech an “A” for factual accuracy, structure, logic, and intelligent national self-interest.  Bibi sets out his goals, lays out his facts, and establishes his conditions.  Bottom line:  The precondition for any negotiations with the Palestinians is their recognition of Israel’s right to exist, coupled with an end to the killing.  If Palestinians will do that, Israel will bow to the two state solution (which will no longer be a suicide pact on Israel’s part), and it will work in every way to strengthen the Palestinian economic position.

The speech is also a very polite slap in the face to Obama.  Bibi corrects error after error in Obama’s speech, reminds everyone about modern Israel’s contributions to the world (without even mentioning the Jews’ wider contribution in terms of Western monotheism, justice and morality), and calls Obama out on his campaign promise that Jerusalem will never be divided.

Obama should be humiliated by this speech but Bibi is counting on Obama’s narcissistic egotism to isolate him from feelings of shame.  What we hope happens, though, is that Jews will realize that one man speaks truth, and one man doesn’t.

And now the speech:


Honored guests, citizens of Israel.

Peace was always the desire of our people. Our prophets had a vision of peace, we greet each other with peace, our prayers end with the word peace. This evening we are in the center named for two leaders who were groundbreakers for peace -Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat – and we share their vision.  [Elegant opening.  Let’s see where it goes.]

Two and a half months ago, I was sworn in at the Knesset as the Prime Minister of Israel. I promised that I would establish a unity government, and did so. I believed, and still believe, that we need unity now more than ever before. We are currently facing three tremendous challenges: The Iranian threat, the financial crisis, and the promotion of peace. [I like speeches that tell you what will follow.]

The Iranian threat still is before us in full force, as it became quite clear yesterday. The greatest danger to Israel, to the Middle East, and to all of humanity, is the encounter between extremist Islam and nuclear weapons. [This is calling something by it’s true name.  Interestingly, there is no invective here about “evil Iran” or, on the opposite side, the employment of euphemisms.  This is admirably straightforward.]  I discussed this with President Obama on my visit to Washington, and will be discussing it next week on my visit with European leaders. I have been working tirelessly for many years to form an international front against Iran arming itself with nuclear armaments.  [Interesting that Bibi says nothing about Obama’s response.  Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence, but I think it’s telling that Bibi is unable to state affirmatively that he and Obama view Iran through the same lens.]

With the world financial crisis, we acted immediately to bring about stability to the Israeli economy. [And I understand that it was a market based reaction.]  We passed a two-year budget in the government and will pass it through the Knesset very soon.

The second challenge, rather, the third, so very important challenge, facing us today, is promoting peace. I discussed this also with President Obama. I strongly support the idea of regional peace that he is advancing. I share the President of the U.S.A’s desire to bring about a new era of reconciliation in our region.  [I’m so glad both these leaders want peace.  Is this a genuine peace, or is Bibi being bullied into the Tacitus description of peace as reducing a civilization to a desert?  I anxiously await the specifics.]

I discussed this in my meetings with President Mubarak in Egypt and with King Abdullah in Jordan to obtain the assistance of these leaders in the effort to expand the circle of peace in our region.  [Again, one wonders how those discussions ended.]

I appeal tonight to the leaders of the Arab countries and say: Let us meet. Let us talk about peace. Let us make peace. I am willing to meet at any time, at any place, in Damascus, in Riyadh, in Beirut, and in Jerusalem as well. (Applause)  [Smart.  Positions Israel as a country willing to reach out to anyone and any nation that it is willing to work with it to promote true peace.  Also, because Bibi is a known hawk, his audience trusts that he won’t sell Israel down the river.]

I call upon the leaders of the Arab countries to join together with the Palestinians and with us to promote economic peace. Economic peace is not a substitute for peace, but it is a very important component in achieving it. Together we can advance projects that can overcome the problems facing our region. For example, water desalinization. And we can utilize the advantages of our region, such as maximizing the use of solar energy, or utilizing its geographical advantages to lay pipelines, pipelines to Africa and Europe.  [Implies that peace is possible with less pressure on natural resources.  With many enemies this might be true, as a struggle for precious resources is often a trigger for war.  Here, of course, Israel faces an enemy that seeks its existential annihilation, without regard to water rights.  The fact that the Palestinians have burned through billions of dollars without becoming economically viable suggests that the Palestinians have no interest whatsoever in actual nation building.  They are religious nihilists.  So, to me, this sounds good but is functionally meaningless.]

Together we can realize the initiatives that I see in the Persian Gulf, which amaze the entire world, and also amaze me. I call upon the talented entrepreneurs of the Arab world, to come and invest here, to assist the Palestinians and us, to give the economy a jump-start. Together we can develop industrial zones, we can create thousands of jobs, and foster tourism that will draw millions, people who want to walk in the footsteps of history, in Nazareth and Bethlehem, in the heights of Jericho and on the walls of Jerusalem, on the shore of the Sea of Galilee, and at the baptismal site of the Jordan. There is a huge potential for the development of tourism potential here. If you only agree to work together.  [See above.]

I appeal to you, our Palestinian neighbors, and to the leadership of the Palestinian Authority. Let us begin peace negotiations immediately without prior conditions. Israel is committed to international agreements, and expects all sides to fulfill their obligations.  [Again, probably wise for Bibi to say loud and clear to the world that it’s not Israel that wants war — but that Israel expects an equal negotiating partner.]

I say to the Palestinians: We want to live with you in peace, quiet, and good neighborly relations. We want our children and your children to ‘know war no more.’  [This has always been Israel’s want.  I don’t think the world can hear this often enough.]

We do not want parents and wives, sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, to know the sorrow of bereavement. We want our children to dream of a better future for humankind. We want us and our neighbors to devote our efforts to ‘plowshares and pruning hooks’ and not to ?swords and spears?? I know the terror of war, I participated in battles, I lost good friends who fell [in battle], I lost a brother. I saw the pain of bereaved families from up close ? very many times. I do not want war. No one in Israel wants war. (Applause)  [True, although I doubt this statement will penetrate the brains of those in the West who believe that Palestinians are peace-loving and Israelis are war-mongering — all evidence to the contrary.]

Let us join hands and work together in peace, together with our neighbors. There is no limit to the flourishing growth that we can achieve for both peoples – in the economy, in agriculture, in commerce, tourism, education – but, above all, in the ability to give our younger generation hope to live in a place that?s good to live in, a life of creative work, a peaceful life with much of interest, with opportunity and hope.  [Ditto to all of the above comments re Bibi’s reiterated desire for peace.]

Friends, with the advantages of peace so clear, so obvious, we must ask ourselves why is peace still so far from us, even though our hands are extended for peace? Why has the conflict going on for over 60 years? To bring an end to it, there must be a sincere, genuine answer to the question: what is the root of the conflict? In his speech at the Zionist Congress in Basel, in speaking of his grand vision of a Jewish homeland for the Jewish People, Theodor Herzl, the visionary of the State of Israel, said: This is so big, we must talk about it only in the simplest words possible.  [Good question.  What’s Bibi’s answer.]

I now am asking that when we speak of the huge challenge of peace, we must use the simplest words possible, using person to person terms. Even with our eyes on the horizon, we must have our feet on the ground, firmly rooted in truth. The simple truth is that the root of the conflict has been ? and remains – the refusal to recognize the right of the Jewish People to its own state in its historical homeland.  [Yes.  This is the answer.  This is an absolute truth, and explains why Bibi spent 7 paragraphs going on about Israel’s desire for peace and her willingness to work towards it.  The problem is the Arab/Muslim refusal to recognize Israel.  Jews will compromise by granting miles here and miles there, but to Arabs/Muslims there is no compromise:  Israel must be destroyed.]

In 1947 when the United Nations proposed the Partition Plan for a Jewish state and an Arab state, the entire Arab world rejected the proposal, while the Jewish community accepted it with great rejoicing and dancing. The Arabs refused any Jewish state whatsoever, with any borders whatsoever.  [Correct.  Bibi doesn’t need to make up this fact.]

Whoever thinks that the continued hostility to Israel is a result of our forces in Judea, Samaria and Gaza is confusing cause and effect. The attacks on us began in the 1920s, became an overall attack in 1948 when the state was declared, continued in the 1950s with the fedaayyin attacks, and reached their climax in 1967 on the eve of the Six-Day War, with the attempt to strangle Israel. All this happened nearly 50 years before a single Israeli soldier went into Judea and Samaria.  [Correct — and a pointed message to Obama and others who imply otherwise.  Once again, Bibi can rely on real facts to support his thesis.  He doesn’t need to make anything up.]

To our joy, Egypt and Jordan left this circle of hostility. They signed peace agreements with us which ended their hostility to Israel. It brought about peace.  [Well, aside from Egypt’s fomenting of violent antisemitic hatred true “peace,” he is correct. Egypt has honored its territorial promises.]

To our deep regret, this is not happening with the Palestinians. The closer we get to a peace agreement with them, the more they are distancing themselves from peace. They raise new demands. They are not showing us that they want to end the conflict.  [Factually accurate again.  It’s fascinating how, unlike Obama, Bibi doesn’t need to make up facts to make his point.]

A great many people are telling us that withdrawal is the key to peace with the Palestinians. But the fact is that all our withdrawals were met by huge waves of suicide bombers.  [And another factually accurate statement.]

We tried withdrawal by agreement, withdrawal without an agreement, we tried partial withdrawal and full withdrawal. In 2000, and once again last year, the government of Israel, based on good will, tried a nearly complete withdrawal, in exchange for the end of the conflict, and were twice refused.  [Boy!  Bibi just keeps spilling one truth after another, supporting his contention that one side (that would be Israel) does everything it can for peace and the other side (that would be the Palestinians) keeps raising the bar.]

We withdrew from the Gaza Strip to the last centimeter, we uprooted dozens of settlements and turned thousands of Israelis out of their homes. In exchange, what we received were missiles raining down on our cities, our towns and our children. The argument that withdrawal would bring peace closer did not stand up to the test of reality.  [True — and reality is an awfully good standard by which to measure a theory’s virtue.]

With Hamas in the south and Hezbollah in the north, they keep on saying that they want to ‘liberate’ Ashkelon in the south and Haifa and Tiberias.  [Accurate, again.]

Even the moderates among the Palestinians are not ready to say the most simplest things: The State of Israel is the national homeland of the Jewish People and will remain so. (Applause)  [Nailed it.]

Friends, in order to achieve peace, we need courage and integrity on the part of the leaders of both sides. I am speaking today with courage and honesty. We need courage and sincerity not only on the Israeli side: we need the Palestinian leadership to rise and say, simply “We have had enough of this conflict. We recognize the right of the Jewish People to a state its own in this Land. We will live side by side in true peace.” I am looking forward to this moment.  [Good rhetorical stand.  I am willing to be brave.  Bring forward a Palestinian leader who will match me.  He also knows that this statement commits him to nothing, because no such Palestinian leader will step forward.  The current leadership is committed entirely to Israel’s destruction.]

We want them to say the simplest things, to our people and to their people. This will then open the door to solving other problems, no matter how difficult. The fundamental condition for ending the conflict is the public, binding and sincere Palestinian recognition of Israel as the national homeland of the Jewish People. (Applause)  [This is absolutely an excellent condition to place on the Palestinians.  Palestinian leadership over the years has lied, broken promises, and prevaricated, but even the most duplicitous leader has not been able to force over his tongue the words “Israel has the right to exist.”]

For this to have practical meaning, we need a clear agreement to solve the Palestinian refugee problem outside of the borders of the State of Israel. For it is clear to all that the demand to settle the Palestinian refugees inside of Israel, contradicts the continued existence of the State of Israel as the state of the Jewish People. We must solve the problem of the Arab refugees. And I believe that it is possible to solve it. Because we have proven that we ourselves solved a similar problem. Tiny Israel took in the hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees from Arab countries who were uprooted from their homes.  [Good paragraph.  Rejects the right of return (which Israel must do), and reminds the world that Israel, teeny Israel, absorbed hundreds of thousands of Jews ejected from Arab countries seeking to make themselves Judenrein.]

Therefore, justice and logic dictates that the problem of the Palestinian refugees must be solved outside the borders of the State of Israel. There is broad national agreement on this. (Applause)  [He stated his facts, and presented the only logical conclusion.  As a lawyer, I like this way of speaking.]

I believe that with good will and international investment of we can solve this humanitarian problem once and for all.  [Yeah, like that’s going to happen.  The international investment will continue to shower money without condition on the Palestinians, rewarding them for their hatred and intransigence.]

Friends, up to now, I have been talking about the need for the Palestinians to recognize our rights. Now I will talk about the need for us to recognize their rights.  [It’s smart that Bibi positioned this concession at this point in this speech.  Instead of starting with the self-abasement, as Obama would do, he stated Israel’s goals, made a demand from the opposite party and then promised a return should the opposite party abide by really quite limited preconditions.  In other words, in terms of the speech’s structure, Bibi did not commit Israel to recognize a Palestinian state unless Palestinians accept that Israel has the right to exist in the first place.]

The connection of the Jewish People to the Land has been in existence for more than 3,500 years. Judea and Samaria, the places where our forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob walked, our forefathers David, Solomon, Isaiah and Jeremiah ? this is not a foreign land, this is the Land of our Forefathers. (Applause)  [A direct refutation of Obama’s statement to the effect that the Jews got Israel from Europe as a consolation prize for their slaughter in the Holocaust.  Obama’s worldview implies that the Jews could have been sent anywhere, and that it’s not fair to the Arabs that they got stuck with this religiously unclean group of people.]

The right of the Jewish People to a state in the Land of Israel does not arise from the series of disasters that befell the Jewish People over 2,000 years — persecutions, expulsions, pogroms, blood libels, murders, which reached its climax in the Holocaust, an unprecedented tragedy in the history of nations. There are those who say that without the Holocaust the State would not have been established, but I say that if the State of Israel had been established in time, the Holocaust would not have taken place. (Applause) The tragedies that arose from the Jewish People?s helplessness show very sharply that we need a protective state.  [Ditto.]

The right to establish our sovereign state here, in the Land of Israel, arises from one simple fact: Eretz Israel is the birthplace of the Jewish People. (Applause)  [Ditto.  What he could say, but didn’t, is that Jews have inhabited the land far longer than either Arabs or Muslims.]

As the first PM David Ben Gurion in the declaration of the State, the State of Israel was established here in Eretz Israel, where the People of Israel created the Book of Books, and gave it to the world.  [Ditto.]

But, friends, we must state the whole truth here. The truth is that in the area of our homeland, in the heart of our Jewish Homeland, now lives a large population of Palestinians. We do not want to rule over them. We do not want to run their lives. We do not want to force our flag and our culture on them. In my vision of peace, there are two free peoples living side by side in this small land, with good neighborly relations and mutual respect, each with its flag, anthem and government, with neither one threatening its neighbor?s security and existence.  [This vision is acceptable at this point in the speech because it follows, rather than precedes, a demand that the Palestinians recognize Israel and cease constant warfare against the Jewish people.]

These two facts ? our link to the Land of Israel, and the Palestinian population who live here, have created deep disagreements within Israeli society. But the truth is that we have much more unity than disagreement.  [Acknowledgment of political realities.  Let’s see where he goes with it.]

I came here tonight to talk about the agreement and security that are broad consensus within Israeli society. This is what guides our policy. This policy must take into account the international situation. We have to recognize international agreements but also principles important to the State of Israel. I spoke tonight about the first principle – recognition. Palestinians must truly recognize Israel as the state of the Jewish people. The second principle is demilitarization. Any area in Palestinian hands has to be demilitarization, with solid security measures. Without this condition, there is a real fear that there will be an armed Palestinian state which will become a terrorist base against Israel, as happened in Gaza. We do not want missiles on Petah Tikva, or Grads on the Ben-Gurion international airport. We want peace. (Applause)  [Absolutely rock solid.  Everything demand here arises naturally from the accurate facts he stated previously.  This is the logical culmination of his two rhetorical threads; namely that Israel wants peace and Palestinians must give up their drive for Israel’s destruction.]

And, to ensure peace we don?t want them to bring in missiles or rockets or have an army, or control of airspace, or make treaties with countries like Iran, or Hizbullah. There is broad agreement on this in Israel. We cannot be expected to agree to a Palestinian state without ensuring that it is demilitarized. This is crucial to the existence of Israel ? we must provide for our security needs.  [This statement is good domestic politics:  “All of us in Israel, regardless of politics, want to stop being targeted for death.”]

This is why we are now asking our friends in the international community, headed by the USA, for what is necessary for our security, that in any peace agreement, the Palestinian area must be demilitarized. No army, no control of air space. Real effective measures to prevent arms coming in, not what?s going on now in Gaza. The Palestinians cannot make military treaties.  [I wonder if, with this statement, he’s publicly calling out Barack Obama.]

Without this, sooner or later, we will have another Hamastan. We can?t agree to this. Israel must govern its own fate and security. I told President Obama in Washington, if we get a guarantee of demilitarization, and if the Palestinians recognize Israel as the Jewish state, we are ready to agree to a real peace agreement, a demilitarized Palestinian state side by side with the Jewish state. (Applause)  [Absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence, but it’s again telling that Bibi reports what he told Obama, but fails to report that Obama agreed.]

Whenever we discuss a permanent arrangement, Israel needs defensible borders with Jerusalem remaining the united capital of Israel. (Applause)  [This again calls out the Obama.  As you may recall, when running for President, Obama promised Jews he would never seek to divide Jerusalem (although I pointed out the dubious nature of that promise almost a year ago), and who has backed off this promise completely.  As for the defensible borders, all nations need defensible borders and Israel shouldn’t even be forced to insist on this.]

The territorial issues will be discussed in a permanent agreement. Till then we have no intention to build new settlements or set aside land for new settlements. But there is a need to have people live normal lives and let mothers and fathers raise their children like everyone in the world. The settlers are not enemies of peace. They are our brothers and sisters. (Applause)  [Bibi stuck to his guns on this one.  He will allow normal growth in the settlements.  This is another polite thumb on the nose to the Obama administration.]

Friends, unity among us is, to my view, vital, and unity will help with reconciliation with our neighbors. Reconciliation must begin now. A strong Palestinian government will strengthen peace. If they truly want peace, and educate their children for peace and stop incitement, we for our part will make every effort, allow them freedom of movement and accessibility, making their lives easier and this will help bring peace.  [“Palestinians:  if you stop killing us, we will give you access to our free society.”  Sounds like a fair deal to me.]

But above all, they must decide: the Palestinians must decide between path of peace and path of Hamas. They must overcome Hamas. Israel will not sit down at conference table with terrorist who seek to destroy it. (Applause)  [This is another nose-thumbing to Obama, who welcomes Hamas to the discussion.]

Hamas are not willing to even let the Red Cross visit our abducted soldier Gilad Shalit who has been in captivity three years, cut off from his family and his country. We want to bring him back whole and well.
With help of the international community, there is no reason why we can?t have peace. With help of USA, we can do we can do the unbelievable. In 61 years, with constant threats to our existence we have achieved so much. Our microchips power the worlds computers unbelievable, we have found cures for incurable diseases. Israeli drip irrigation waters barren lands throughout the world. Israeli researchers are making worldwide breakthroughs. If our neighbors only work for peace, we can achieve peace. (Applause)  [We are a nation among nations.  Treat us as one.]

I call upon Arab leaders and Palestinian leaders: Let?s go in the path of Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat, Yitzhak Rabin and King Hussein. Let?s go in the path of Prophet Isaiah, who spoke thousands of years ago, they shall beat their swords into plowshares and know war no more.

Let us know war no more. Let us know peace

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  • Gringo

    Regarding settlements: I have read over the years that after the 1948 war,Jordan booted out Jewish people who had been living in the West Bank. Does anyone have any links on that , any numbers?

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    In a nutshell…

    American Presidents come and go – Israel must remain and not only survive but continue to flourish.

    As always, Arabs have decide what’s more important- economic development and peace or poverty and war.

  • Dennis Elliott

    This is an elegant speech and it is a lesson for the Boy President—-literally. Netanyahu is essentially responding to Obama’s speech, correcting him like a kindly but firm Uncle. It is also a response to Obama for the rest of the world to understand. It lays out the terms by which Israel will work with the world, the U.S. and the Arabs, and they are irrefutable, as you say, in their facts as they are in their logic. Israel is here by this right and by these antecendants and must have these basic and necessary preconditions agreed to by everyone who hopes to influence any decision(s) in terms of a settlement. Unless everyone understands that background and those preconditions there will be no peaceful settlement.
    Where I live this has been heralded on the news as “Bibi agrees to a two state solution” with no useful analysis of his actual speech. This, of course, leaves the sheeple to understand that the Boy President went into the lion’s den and forced him to submit (All hail the Boy president, blessed be his name). Thus do reporters become recorders.
    Be that as it may, I’m sure Obama and the rest of the world leaders with “skin in the game” understood the speech very clearly for what it said and what it meant.

  • SGT Dave

    Bibi made the statements carefully and placed the onus on the Palestinians and the O-wonder to work. All he has to do now is say – “I’m trying, but we’re still getting bombed/rocketed/attacked.” He’s asking for the Palestinians to act like adults, placing a simple line in the sand that they cannot respect. His precondition – “We need courage and sincerity not only on the Israeli side: we need the Palestinian leadership to rise and say, simply “We have had enough of this conflict. We recognize the right of the Jewish People to a state its own in this Land. We will live side by side in true peace.” ” – is impossible for the leaders of the terrorist state to accept. But it is not an unreasonable statement on the world stage. Their failure to meet a single condition – recognising that there will be TWO states and not just a single Palestinian one – is the block that Bibi will keep hitting them with. And good for him.
    The O-wonder won’t put us on the ground there, at least not yet, though I’m not sure that he won’t try sometime after we get more folks back from Iraq. He doesn’t want the US military in the states – it’s too easy for us to have our votes counted and our opinions heard.
    Anyhow, this was a great move by Bibi and I hope that he’s this agile down the road.

    SSG Dave
    “There is a difference between the sides – one is strong and tolerant, the other weak and ineffective. We forget that only the ethical and moral strength of the first allows the second to remain.”


    The ‘usual suspects’ have their own form of commentary.

    A Kassam rocket fired by Gaza terrorists hit the Ashkelon Beach region on Sunday afternoon.

  • Ymarsakar

    I’m so glad both these leaders want peace. Is this a genuine peace, or is Bibi being bullied into the Tacitus description of peace as reducing a civilization to a desert?

    The fact that you know about Tacitus would, in itself, disbar you from the Leftist cult, BOok. They’d make sure you’d leave one way or another, right side up or boxed.

    “We have had enough of this conflict. We recognize the right of the Jewish People to a state its own in this Land. We will live side by side in true peace.”

    They will only have enough of the conflict when you bring the conflict to their home ground. To cause so much suffering that the Palestinians would rather cut their own throats and burn forever in hell, before they see another second of the insanity. That is what will make them say “enough of this conflict”.

    The question is, does Israel have the guts to do it when Obama and Iran finally push them over the edge?

    Palestinian leadership over the years has lied, broken promises, and prevaricated, but even the most duplicitous leader has not been able to force over his tongue the words “Israel has the right to exist.”

    Logical. They do not want to end up like Anwar Sadat, you know.

    We do not want to run their lives. We do not want to force our flag and our culture on them.

    Historically, you have had to either absorb conquered provinces or annihilate them to the last woman, man, and child.

    No army, no control of air space. Real effective measures to prevent arms coming in, not what?s going on now in Gaza.

    The US military could have done it under Bush. But Bush is gone, and besides, he didn’t really have a hot fired up interest in creating a DMZ between Israel and Palestine, even though we made one up for Iraq, North Korea… Berlin, etc.

  • 11B40


    Back in my infantry days, there was a bit of folk-wisdom that went, “It’s better to have a soldier as a diplomat than a diplomat as a soldier. Also, somewhere along the way, I picked up the story about the farmer, the mule and the 2×4, the last being to get the mule’s attention.

    My disappointment with Prime Minister Netanyahu’s speech is that he didn’t use the opportunity to re-set the battlefield or, at least, the negotiating table. I would have preferred that he say the “two-state” solution is at hand; it’s Israel, west of the river and Jordan east of it.

    Back during the League of Nations Mandate days, there was no Jordan, as a state, and no Jordanian people. There were mostly Arab Muslims, living in primarily in tribal cultures vs. nation states, in the Palestine area of the Ottoman Empire.

    For over a generation, I have been watching the Israelis trying to come to some kind of peace with the “Palestinians”. Forgive me, but I can no longer convince myself that the political leaders of the Arabs of the area really want a state as a prime objective. I now believe that they are content to continue to take slices from the Israeli (Jewish, kosher) salami and billions from the Western democracies and whatever they can get from their Arab cousins.

    Thus, I think that the time has come for the Israelis to say, “Enough, already.” If you want to live in an Arab Muslim cesspool state, “Muslim, row your boat across the river.” If you want to live in peace in a democratic Jewish state that is your choice. The Arabs drove most of the Jews out of their countries. I think that the Israelis should offer to return the favor.

    As Vince Lombardi, the famous NFL football coach is purported to have said, “The best defense is a could offense. Soldiers know this, too.

  • Ymarsakar

    As you can see, Book, you have mighty strong war mongerish opinions here. Grey is the shadow should your community friends have had heard us.

  • Bookworm

    You’re point is a good one, 11B40. The problem, though, is that Obama left Bibi almost no room to maneuver. Obama’s left/right punches were damned if you do/damned if you don’t. I think Bibi did the only thing he could do. He slipped right under Obama’s guard, got into the Palestinians’ and Obama’s face and said, “Okay, we’ll do it, but we have one vital precondition.” The beauty of Bibi’s approach is that the precondition, which sounds so simple to those in the West, is the one thing the Palestinians cannot make themselves do. They’re already screaming about Bibi’s unfair demands but, when you think about it, all that he demanded was that they stop killing Jews. Bibi now has Obama in a grappler’s hold, and the next move is not only Obama’s, but is a move that will not make Obama look good.

    (Sorry for all the fight metaphors, but I did a lot of martial arts today.)

  • 11B40


    I can certainly agree that Prime Minister Netanyahu’s approach not without craft.

    The point that I failed to make explicit is that I don’t believe that the “Palestinians” have any fear of loss; that whatever they gain is theirs forever due to the Israel’s and the West’s commitment to honest dealing which they do not share to any significant degree.

    Part of the “Jordanian” stratagem is to create some sense of fear about the future not only in the “Palestinians” but also in the Jordanians and Egyptians. These are the lands of “I against my brother; my brother and I against our cousin; and, my cousin, my brother and I against the stranger. If some sense of wonder can be installed in Amman and Cairo about what may be coming across their borders, the joy of Middle East living is better shared and, perhaps, those two countries may see their interests better served by their joining in on the “Enough, already” to the Palestinian kleptocracies.

    I grew up in a section of the Bronx where part of the folk-wisdom was, “You don’t want to fight anyone twice.” Going for the jugular was pretty much expected by all. The Israelis have gone too many rounds with the “Palestinians” and their fellow travellers. My understanding is that after WWII, the Germans were expelled from the Sudetenland. Things have been pretty quiet there ever since. “Take it, or you’re leaving” looks like a pretty good PowerPoint slide to me.

    ERRATA: I still can’t believe this, but I blew the Vince Lombardi quote; it should
    have been “a good offense” vice “a could offsense.”

    Thanks for the Gloria Gaynor. Chills like no others.

  • Ymarsakar
  • Mike Devx

    Ymar, that is one nasty worm!

    Go to this pictures link at the bottom of Ymar’s link:

    Click on the pics to enlarge. The enlarged picture of developmental larvae feeding in the open wound:

    (That’s an open wound that the larvae themselves enlarge, that might have begun as small as a tick bite. And the adult for these things – looks like your average fly – can travel 125 miles in the air before remating.)


    I can agree the Hamas and Hezbollah are comparable… and what about that group of delightful brothers of the bride-to-be in Pakistan. Her husband was one of the 3% of the population that is Christian. They confronted him when they caught the couple in a compromising situation. He agreed to their demand to marry her but not their demand to convert to Islam. So they took him to an isolated farmhouse, raped him repeatedly and tortured him, then stabbed him to death. Worms indeed. At last report, the authorities in Pakistan are doing nothing.

  • Ymarsakar

    Book, since you are interested in the BNP, I thought you would find this article educational.

  • Mike Devx

    Ymar #14 is a must read.

    When population ratios are taken into account, racist murder of non-Whites against Whites compared to Whites against non-Whites is pegged at 34:1. Yet the media publicizes only White-based crimes. One can assume this is because white people are simply intrinsically guiltier.

    There may be one flaw in the article that may ameliorate these statistics. That is the ratio of crime itself committed by Whites as compared to that committed by non-Whites. Should that ratio also be high, then what we have is not a shockingly high ratio of 34:1 of racist murders, but rather simply a shockingly high ratio of crime itself. And that has long been explained (at least on the left) as a socio-economic problem, presumably because poor people commit more crimes, and minorities are far worse off economically. So some stats may be absent.

  • suek

    Hey Mike…

    Screw worms aren’t so bad…as long as you get to them in time. They used to be a problem in the US, but aren’t so much any more. The problem with them in the middle east is because they don’t dock the tails of their sheep, and various feeds then cause accumulation of fecal material under the tails, which invites fly strike. A friend of mine had a mare with a serious cut in her knee. I brought her in to clean it up and WOW! As soon as warm water hit it, it started waving at me! Called the vet, he diagnosed over the phone and sent me to the store for some remedy or other – basically something like a zinc ointment to spread on the open sore. Putting an ointment on the cut prevented air from getting in, and that drove the screw worms out I expected her to have a monster scar, but in fact, she had practically none. It seems that the fly larvae normally consume dead tissue and have actually been used to clean out damaged tissue – within living memory! It seems that the army doctors noticed that soldiers that were infested by maggots due to time spent outside while injured actually had less problems with scar tissue build up.(Korean War period, I think) They investigated the cause, and found that they could introduce maggots to control scar tissue. Of course, the trick is to also get them out again before they do real damage.

    Check out “warbles” if you want another gross critter.

  • Bookworm

    Well, now that you put it that way, 11B40, I agree with you completely.