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	<title>Comments on: Back to the old abstinence drawing board *UPDATED*</title>
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	<description>Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts.</description>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/07/07/back-to-the-old-abstinence-drawing-board/comment-page-1/#comment-56817</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice one CDR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice one CDR.</p>
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		<title>By: CDR Salamander</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/07/07/back-to-the-old-abstinence-drawing-board/comment-page-1/#comment-56715</link>
		<dc:creator>CDR Salamander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never mind, Mrs. &lt;a href=&quot;http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2009/07/bookies-iphone.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Salamander done did it&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never mind, Mrs. <a href="http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2009/07/bookies-iphone.html" rel="nofollow">Salamander done did it</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Intertubes Roundup: Sacred Cow edition &#124; PAWaterCooler.com</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/07/07/back-to-the-old-abstinence-drawing-board/comment-page-1/#comment-56574</link>
		<dc:creator>Intertubes Roundup: Sacred Cow edition &#124; PAWaterCooler.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (1) Liberal sacred cow number 1 &#8211; pro-condom sex ed may cause an increase in teen pregnancy if the UK is any indication. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (1) Liberal sacred cow number 1 &#8211; pro-condom sex ed may cause an increase in teen pregnancy if the UK is any indication. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Punditarian</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/07/07/back-to-the-old-abstinence-drawing-board/comment-page-1/#comment-56572</link>
		<dc:creator>Punditarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A similar teen pregnancy prevention program in Baltimore in the 1980s had the same results.  At the time, Baltimore had one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the world.  Following the usual interventionist model, a host of resources were brought to bear.  Fairly soon, every teenaged girl in the area learned that if she wanted her own apartment, all of the concerned attention of her own nurse, her own social worker, and her own income, all she had to do was become pregnant.  Not a difficult thing to do.  The results should not have surprised anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A similar teen pregnancy prevention program in Baltimore in the 1980s had the same results.  At the time, Baltimore had one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the world.  Following the usual interventionist model, a host of resources were brought to bear.  Fairly soon, every teenaged girl in the area learned that if she wanted her own apartment, all of the concerned attention of her own nurse, her own social worker, and her own income, all she had to do was become pregnant.  Not a difficult thing to do.  The results should not have surprised anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: CDR Salamander</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/07/07/back-to-the-old-abstinence-drawing-board/comment-page-1/#comment-56563</link>
		<dc:creator>CDR Salamander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sniff.  Bookie is all HotAir&#039;d and gown up.  Sniff.

OH, you need to find one of your readers who is a fan of icanhascheezburger and good at photoshop who can take a hippo, photoshop in an iPhone with the caption; &quot;Bookie&#039;s iPhone.  I ated it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sniff.  Bookie is all HotAir&#8217;d and gown up.  Sniff.</p>
<p>OH, you need to find one of your readers who is a fan of icanhascheezburger and good at photoshop who can take a hippo, photoshop in an iPhone with the caption; &#8220;Bookie&#8217;s iPhone.  I ated it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/07/07/back-to-the-old-abstinence-drawing-board/comment-page-1/#comment-56557</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What possesses the mind of a liberal to think it is in any way beneficial for a child to engage in sex? 
How many adults have you heard express regret they didn&#039;t have sex at 14 or 12? 

Liberals arguing against abstinence only program often cite their supposed ineffectiveness and potential harm since they deny the child information about safe sex. This study evaluating four abstinence programs didn&#039;t find any evidence of that.
While the report indicates there was no long-term benefits to the programs, these programs were from one to three years in duration. The data in one of the programs indicated a five percent reduction in sexual activity, but wasn&#039;t considered statistically significant.
If in fact peer pressure is the largest component in decisions to either have sex or abstain from it, it seems that common sense would conclude that a consistent long-term message that it is OK to abstain from sex could have some benefit. If the message reduced the instance of sex even 5%, wouldn&#039;t that be worth it, especially considering the fact that for $1 spent on abstinence programs $12 is spent on safe sex programs.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Contrary to concerns raised by some critics of federal funding for abstinence education, however, &lt;strong&gt;youth in the abstinence education programs were no more likely to have engaged in unprotected sex than youth who did not participate in the programs.&lt;/strong&gt;
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Targeting youth at young ages may not be sufficient. Most Title V, Section 510 abstinence education programs are implemented in upper elementary and middle schools and most are completed before youth enter high school. The findings from this study provide no evidence that abstinence programs implemented at these grades reduce sexual activity of youth during their high school years. However, the findings provide no information on the effects programs might have if they were implemented in high school or began at earlier ages but continued through high school.

Peer support for abstinence erodes during adolescence. Peer support for abstinence is a significant predictor of later sexual activity. Although the four abstinence programs had at most a small impact on this measure in the short term and no impact in the long term, &lt;strong&gt;this finding suggests that promoting support for abstinence among peer networks should be an important feature of future abstinence programs.&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;
http://www.mathematica-mpr.com/abstinencereport.asp
This article from the Heritage Foundation makes a case in favor of abstinence progams.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Abstinence/wm461.cfm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What possesses the mind of a liberal to think it is in any way beneficial for a child to engage in sex?<br />
How many adults have you heard express regret they didn&#8217;t have sex at 14 or 12? </p>
<p>Liberals arguing against abstinence only program often cite their supposed ineffectiveness and potential harm since they deny the child information about safe sex. This study evaluating four abstinence programs didn&#8217;t find any evidence of that.<br />
While the report indicates there was no long-term benefits to the programs, these programs were from one to three years in duration. The data in one of the programs indicated a five percent reduction in sexual activity, but wasn&#8217;t considered statistically significant.<br />
If in fact peer pressure is the largest component in decisions to either have sex or abstain from it, it seems that common sense would conclude that a consistent long-term message that it is OK to abstain from sex could have some benefit. If the message reduced the instance of sex even 5%, wouldn&#8217;t that be worth it, especially considering the fact that for $1 spent on abstinence programs $12 is spent on safe sex programs.</p>
<blockquote><p>Contrary to concerns raised by some critics of federal funding for abstinence education, however, <strong>youth in the abstinence education programs were no more likely to have engaged in unprotected sex than youth who did not participate in the programs.</strong><br />
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Targeting youth at young ages may not be sufficient. Most Title V, Section 510 abstinence education programs are implemented in upper elementary and middle schools and most are completed before youth enter high school. The findings from this study provide no evidence that abstinence programs implemented at these grades reduce sexual activity of youth during their high school years. However, the findings provide no information on the effects programs might have if they were implemented in high school or began at earlier ages but continued through high school.</p>
<p>Peer support for abstinence erodes during adolescence. Peer support for abstinence is a significant predictor of later sexual activity. Although the four abstinence programs had at most a small impact on this measure in the short term and no impact in the long term, <strong>this finding suggests that promoting support for abstinence among peer networks should be an important feature of future abstinence programs.</strong> </p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.mathematica-mpr.com/abstinencereport.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.mathematica-mpr.com/abstinencereport.asp</a><br />
This article from the Heritage Foundation makes a case in favor of abstinence progams.<br />
<a href="http://www.heritage.org/Research/Abstinence/wm461.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.heritage.org/Research/Abstinence/wm461.cfm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/07/07/back-to-the-old-abstinence-drawing-board/comment-page-1/#comment-56529</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are absolutely right about the D.A.R.E. program. 

Our kids told us that their local high school&#039;s D.A.R.E. program went into great detail about the appeal of drugs and why people were drawn to use them. So, obviously, kids were drawn to try them. Natch, my kids&#039; upper-middle class high school-where-money-is-no-obstacle-and-parents-prefer-to-remain-clueless-about-their-kids is a major drug haven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely right about the D.A.R.E. program. </p>
<p>Our kids told us that their local high school&#8217;s D.A.R.E. program went into great detail about the appeal of drugs and why people were drawn to use them. So, obviously, kids were drawn to try them. Natch, my kids&#8217; upper-middle class high school-where-money-is-no-obstacle-and-parents-prefer-to-remain-clueless-about-their-kids is a major drug haven.</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How in the world could you spend 2500 POUNDS teaching someone how to have sex? What did they do, hire gigolos to provide individualized instructions and critiques?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How in the world could you spend 2500 POUNDS teaching someone how to have sex? What did they do, hire gigolos to provide individualized instructions and critiques?</p>
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		<title>By: Quisp</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/07/07/back-to-the-old-abstinence-drawing-board/comment-page-1/#comment-56471</link>
		<dc:creator>Quisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading the article, it seems to me that there is a dire need for sex education in Britain. The &quot;experts&quot; believe the pregnancy rate went up because girls met other, more promiscuous GIRLS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading the article, it seems to me that there is a dire need for sex education in Britain. The &#8220;experts&#8221; believe the pregnancy rate went up because girls met other, more promiscuous GIRLS.</p>
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		<title>By: SADIE</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/07/07/back-to-the-old-abstinence-drawing-board/comment-page-1/#comment-56468</link>
		<dc:creator>SADIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What were they thinking?!

This would be like serving chocolate cake and ice cream and at Weight Watchers Meeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What were they thinking?!</p>
<p>This would be like serving chocolate cake and ice cream and at Weight Watchers Meeting.</p>
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