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	<description>Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts.</description>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/07/12/food-for-thought-and-an-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-132172</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah well, it looks like the Obama gas tank blew up due to too much ethanol starving children. After 2 years of &quot;waiting&quot;, I think the Left has some explaining to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah well, it looks like the Obama gas tank blew up due to too much ethanol starving children. After 2 years of &#8220;waiting&#8221;, I think the Left has some explaining to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/07/12/food-for-thought-and-an-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-58280</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice one danny. The PillowCs. Our natural renewable resource of greed and corruption.

That&#039;ll power hope and change in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice one danny. The PillowCs. Our natural renewable resource of greed and corruption.</p>
<p>That&#8217;ll power hope and change in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/07/12/food-for-thought-and-an-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-58043</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, did you mean to say that we have an unnatural fossil of a Speaker of the House who emits natural gas? Never mind...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, did you mean to say that we have an unnatural fossil of a Speaker of the House who emits natural gas? Never mind&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/07/12/food-for-thought-and-an-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-57990</link>
		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BrianE...&quot;We need a grown-up energy policy in this country more than ever.&quot;

Instead, we have a Speaker of the House who believes that natural gas is not a fossil fuel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BrianE&#8230;&#8221;We need a grown-up energy policy in this country more than ever.&#8221;</p>
<p>Instead, we have a Speaker of the House who believes that natural gas is not a fossil fuel.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/07/12/food-for-thought-and-an-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-57909</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen L #6:
&lt;i&gt;There is always hope.
Palin to Campaign For Democrats
huffingtonpost: 2009/07/12/palin-will-campaign-for-d_n_230226.html
LOL
&lt;/i&gt;

Well...  What to say?  This *is* an open thread, after all!

In trying to divine why Helen is LOL&#039;ing herself into silliness, I thought she must have read &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; at that link that gave her hope.  So I read it, too.  And I found that Ms. Palin *would* in fact campaign for democrats.

Or, as she put it:
&lt;i&gt;even Democrats who share her views on limited government, national defense and energy independence _ and build a right-of-center coalition.&lt;/i&gt;

I believe this means that Helen wants:
- limited government
- a strong national defense
- energy independence, to include coal, nuclear, oil, and natural gas
- the emergence of a right-of-center coalition

Welcome Home, Helen!  Indeed, there is, always, Hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen L #6:<br />
<i>There is always hope.<br />
Palin to Campaign For Democrats<br />
huffingtonpost: 2009/07/12/palin-will-campaign-for-d_n_230226.html<br />
LOL<br />
</i></p>
<p>Well&#8230;  What to say?  This *is* an open thread, after all!</p>
<p>In trying to divine why Helen is LOL&#8217;ing herself into silliness, I thought she must have read <i>something</i> at that link that gave her hope.  So I read it, too.  And I found that Ms. Palin *would* in fact campaign for democrats.</p>
<p>Or, as she put it:<br />
<i>even Democrats who share her views on limited government, national defense and energy independence _ and build a right-of-center coalition.</i></p>
<p>I believe this means that Helen wants:<br />
- limited government<br />
- a strong national defense<br />
- energy independence, to include coal, nuclear, oil, and natural gas<br />
- the emergence of a right-of-center coalition</p>
<p>Welcome Home, Helen!  Indeed, there is, always, Hope.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those not following the Honduras situation, here is a blog from an American expatrate living there. Good information both about the political situation and Honduras in general.
http://lagringasblogicito.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those not following the Honduras situation, here is a blog from an American expatrate living there. Good information both about the political situation and Honduras in general.<br />
<a href="http://lagringasblogicito.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://lagringasblogicito.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;Rome is burning. We’re fiddling.&lt;/b&gt;

That&#039;s cause Nero, the guy said to be fiddling, was the one that ordered the fires set.

He needed a catastrophe to buy up the property for himself.

Obama could learn a thing or two from that manufactured crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Rome is burning. We’re fiddling.</b></p>
<p>That&#8217;s cause Nero, the guy said to be fiddling, was the one that ordered the fires set.</p>
<p>He needed a catastrophe to buy up the property for himself.</p>
<p>Obama could learn a thing or two from that manufactured crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Joe Lieberman proved, any Democrat that gets too big for their britches is going to get excommunicated from the church. The same one Helen is also apart of.

Whoever Sarah Palin ends up helping get elected, won&#039;t be a Democrat for long, Helen. Because people like you will be given orders to shun them, at the cost of your soul. And who wouldn&#039;t you sacrifice for your soul, Helen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Joe Lieberman proved, any Democrat that gets too big for their britches is going to get excommunicated from the church. The same one Helen is also apart of.</p>
<p>Whoever Sarah Palin ends up helping get elected, won&#8217;t be a Democrat for long, Helen. Because people like you will be given orders to shun them, at the cost of your soul. And who wouldn&#8217;t you sacrifice for your soul, Helen.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a question that I was asking last year. It didn&#039;t get much consideration by the MSM.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Did oil cause the downturn?
The implication that almost all of the downturn of 2008 could be attributed to the oil shock is a stronger conclusion than emerged from any of the other models surveyed in my Brookings paper, and it is a conclusion that I don&#039;t fully believe myself. Unquestionably, there were other very important shocks hitting the economy in 2007-08, most notably the problems in the housing sector. But housing had already been subtracting 0.94% from the average annual GDP growth rate over 2006:Q4-2007:Q3, when the economy did not appear to be in a recession. And housing subtracted only 0.89% over 2007:Q4-2008:Q3, when we now say that the economy was in recession. Something in addition to housing began to drag the economy down over the later period, and all the calculations in the paper support the conclusion that oil prices were an important factor in turning that slowdown into a recession.

There is also an interactive effect between the oil price shock and the problems in housing. Lost jobs and income were an important factor contributing to declines in home sales and prices, and the biggest initial declines in house prices and increases in delinquencies were in the areas farthest from the urban core, suggesting an interaction between housing demand and commuting costs. Once house price declines and concomitant delinquencies reached a sufficient level, the solvency of key financial institutions came into doubt. The resulting financial problems turned the mild recession we had been experiencing up until 2007:Q3 into a much more severe downturn in 2008:Q4 and 2009:Q1. Whether those financial problems were sufficiently insurmountable that we would have eventually arrived at the same crisis point even without the extra burden of the recession of 2007:Q4-2008:Q3 is a matter of conjecture. But it seems to me that oil prices indisputably made an important contribution to both the initial downturn and the magnitude of the problems we’re currently facing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
 http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/3664
Anybody wonder why oil prices started rising recently even when the US economy was still retracting?
We need a grown-up energy policy in this country more than ever. Rome is burning. We&#039;re fiddling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a question that I was asking last year. It didn&#8217;t get much consideration by the MSM.</p>
<blockquote><p>Did oil cause the downturn?<br />
The implication that almost all of the downturn of 2008 could be attributed to the oil shock is a stronger conclusion than emerged from any of the other models surveyed in my Brookings paper, and it is a conclusion that I don&#8217;t fully believe myself. Unquestionably, there were other very important shocks hitting the economy in 2007-08, most notably the problems in the housing sector. But housing had already been subtracting 0.94% from the average annual GDP growth rate over 2006:Q4-2007:Q3, when the economy did not appear to be in a recession. And housing subtracted only 0.89% over 2007:Q4-2008:Q3, when we now say that the economy was in recession. Something in addition to housing began to drag the economy down over the later period, and all the calculations in the paper support the conclusion that oil prices were an important factor in turning that slowdown into a recession.</p>
<p>There is also an interactive effect between the oil price shock and the problems in housing. Lost jobs and income were an important factor contributing to declines in home sales and prices, and the biggest initial declines in house prices and increases in delinquencies were in the areas farthest from the urban core, suggesting an interaction between housing demand and commuting costs. Once house price declines and concomitant delinquencies reached a sufficient level, the solvency of key financial institutions came into doubt. The resulting financial problems turned the mild recession we had been experiencing up until 2007:Q3 into a much more severe downturn in 2008:Q4 and 2009:Q1. Whether those financial problems were sufficiently insurmountable that we would have eventually arrived at the same crisis point even without the extra burden of the recession of 2007:Q4-2008:Q3 is a matter of conjecture. But it seems to me that oil prices indisputably made an important contribution to both the initial downturn and the magnitude of the problems we’re currently facing.</p></blockquote>
<p> <a href="http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/3664" rel="nofollow">http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/3664</a><br />
Anybody wonder why oil prices started rising recently even when the US economy was still retracting?<br />
We need a grown-up energy policy in this country more than ever. Rome is burning. We&#8217;re fiddling.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen,
Are you laughing because you think she put one over on conservatives or because it&#039;s preposterous that any Democrat would want her to campaign for them?
I think there might even be some Democrats that don&#039;t think the country is headed in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen,<br />
Are you laughing because you think she put one over on conservatives or because it&#8217;s preposterous that any Democrat would want her to campaign for them?<br />
I think there might even be some Democrats that don&#8217;t think the country is headed in the right direction.</p>
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