Comments on: Obama as the butt of the Joke(r) *UPDATED* http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/03/obama-as-the-butt-of-the-joker/ Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:19:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/03/obama-as-the-butt-of-the-joker/comment-page-1/#comment-61090 Ymarsakar Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:01:22 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=7756#comment-61090 But Obama is. After all, the King has no excuses for his actions on this score. But Obama is. After all, the King has no excuses for his actions on this score.

]]> By: suek http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/03/obama-as-the-butt-of-the-joker/comment-page-1/#comment-61087 suek Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:56:05 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=7756#comment-61087 Heh. In other words, the Jester was no Fool...! Heh. In other words, the Jester was no Fool…!

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/03/obama-as-the-butt-of-the-joker/comment-page-1/#comment-61071 Ymarsakar Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:15:32 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=7756#comment-61071 And, of course, we chose the eagle as our standard. Which makes it not so much an eagle, as a phoenix. The proof of the resurrection of the Roman Republic, before it was destroyed by the <B>Senate class</b> And, of course, we chose the eagle as our standard. Which makes it not so much an eagle, as a phoenix. The proof of the resurrection of the Roman Republic, before it was destroyed by the Senate class

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/03/obama-as-the-butt-of-the-joker/comment-page-1/#comment-61070 Ymarsakar Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:14:54 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=7756#comment-61070 The King could listen to the jester because he was harmless and did not impact the King's Dignitas. Lesse Majesty, after all, was a capital offense. Since power comes from the King, as he is the Absolute Monarch appointed by God with the seal of the Church, anything you say that decreases his authority in his own eyes or anybody else's eyes (especially his court of nobles) is easily termed treason. A jester, because he can be considered harmless, crazy, or meaningless, could say things which could contradict the King's position (we would call it disagreement) and not be executed for Lese Majesty. So long as the King doesn't feel offended or one of his nobles doesn't urge the matter. Cause the jester will die if either King or Noble believes it is useful to do so. The wikipedia for Lese Majesty says it actually originated in the Old Roman Republic. Interesting, that. The Europeans got Lese Majesty from it, and thus created WWI and WWII and the works of Marx, the overthrow of the Tsar, and the Bolshevik Rise to power. America's Founding Fathers, instead, chose the Roman Senate to adopt instead. Funny how that works. The King could listen to the jester because he was harmless and did not impact the King’s Dignitas. Lesse Majesty, after all, was a capital offense.

Since power comes from the King, as he is the Absolute Monarch appointed by God with the seal of the Church, anything you say that decreases his authority in his own eyes or anybody else’s eyes (especially his court of nobles) is easily termed treason.

A jester, because he can be considered harmless, crazy, or meaningless, could say things which could contradict the King’s position (we would call it disagreement) and not be executed for Lese Majesty. So long as the King doesn’t feel offended or one of his nobles doesn’t urge the matter. Cause the jester will die if either King or Noble believes it is useful to do so.

The wikipedia for Lese Majesty says it actually originated in the Old Roman Republic. Interesting, that. The Europeans got Lese Majesty from it, and thus created WWI and WWII and the works of Marx, the overthrow of the Tsar, and the Bolshevik Rise to power.

America’s Founding Fathers, instead, chose the Roman Senate to adopt instead. Funny how that works.

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/03/obama-as-the-butt-of-the-joker/comment-page-1/#comment-61065 Ymarsakar Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:58:32 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=7756#comment-61065 Thanks for the research, Hammer. Thanks for the research, Hammer.

]]> By: Charles Martel http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/03/obama-as-the-butt-of-the-joker/comment-page-1/#comment-61059 Charles Martel Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:33:59 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=7756#comment-61059 suek, here's a quote that somewhat answers your question: <blockquote>"In societies where the Freedom of Speech was not recognized as a right, the court jester - precisely because anything he said was by definition "a jest" and "the uttering of a fool" - could speak frankly on controversial issues in a way in which anyone else would have been severely punished for, and monarchs understood the usefulness of having such a person at their side. Still, even the jester was not entirely immune from punishment, and he needed to walk a thin line and exercise careful judgment in how far he might go - which required him to be far from a "fool" in the modern sense."</blockquote> http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Jester suek, here’s a quote that somewhat answers your question:

“In societies where the Freedom of Speech was not recognized as a right, the court jester – precisely because anything he said was by definition “a jest” and “the uttering of a fool” – could speak frankly on controversial issues in a way in which anyone else would have been severely punished for, and monarchs understood the usefulness of having such a person at their side. Still, even the jester was not entirely immune from punishment, and he needed to walk a thin line and exercise careful judgment in how far he might go – which required him to be far from a “fool” in the modern sense.”

http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Jester

]]> By: suek http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/03/obama-as-the-butt-of-the-joker/comment-page-1/#comment-61050 suek Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:05:43 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=7756#comment-61050 >>He would also be executed if the Absolute Monarch felt offended by his ‘jokes’.>> Really? I thought the King's Fool was immune from execution. >>He would also be executed if the Absolute Monarch felt offended by his ‘jokes’.>>

Really? I thought the King’s Fool was immune from execution.

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/03/obama-as-the-butt-of-the-joker/comment-page-1/#comment-61026 Ymarsakar Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:46:52 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=7756#comment-61026 He would also be executed if the Absolute Monarch felt offended by his 'jokes'. He would also be executed if the Absolute Monarch felt offended by his ‘jokes’.

]]> By: suek http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/03/obama-as-the-butt-of-the-joker/comment-page-1/#comment-60938 suek Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:36:21 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=7756#comment-60938 The Court Jester was also known as the King's Fool, was he not? The Court Jester was also known as the King’s Fool, was he not?

]]> By: Danny Lemieux http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/03/obama-as-the-butt-of-the-joker/comment-page-1/#comment-60914 Danny Lemieux Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:50:00 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=7756#comment-60914 Obama & Biden. Joker & Jester. Obama & Biden. Joker & Jester.

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