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	<title>Comments on: Obama crosses America&#8217;s one bright line *UPDATED*</title>
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	<description>Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts.</description>
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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/21/obama-crosses-americas-one-bright-line/comment-page-1/#comment-70993</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 04:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is merely an extension of the Left&#039;s decision to coopt the &quot;religious right&quot;. Throughout the campaign, Obama professed religious piety, and no one on the left was excised.
They found a candidate that spoke a better religious line than Clinton, and were and are comfortable he doesn&#039;t mean a word of it.
The left has been mad for years that the right has owned the religion thing.
I think they’re glad to get a chance to prove they got religion too. 
It’s not particularly effective, and I think everybody in the country knows he doesn’t believe a religious word he says.

&lt;blockquote&gt;They will act as if they are religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly. You must stay away from people like that.  
They are the kind who work their way into people&#039;s homes and win the confidence of vulnerable women.... - 2 Timothy 3:5-6&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The uninsured receive medical care in America, so the moral obligation has already been met.

It’s a stretch to think there is a moral obligation to provide insurance for everyone in America.

We all agree it’s an expensive form of medical care and both sides want to reduce the cost of providing it. We disagree on the best way to achieve that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is merely an extension of the Left&#8217;s decision to coopt the &#8220;religious right&#8221;. Throughout the campaign, Obama professed religious piety, and no one on the left was excised.<br />
They found a candidate that spoke a better religious line than Clinton, and were and are comfortable he doesn&#8217;t mean a word of it.<br />
The left has been mad for years that the right has owned the religion thing.<br />
I think they’re glad to get a chance to prove they got religion too.<br />
It’s not particularly effective, and I think everybody in the country knows he doesn’t believe a religious word he says.</p>
<blockquote><p>They will act as if they are religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly. You must stay away from people like that.<br />
They are the kind who work their way into people&#8217;s homes and win the confidence of vulnerable women&#8230;. &#8211; 2 Timothy 3:5-6</p></blockquote>
<p>The uninsured receive medical care in America, so the moral obligation has already been met.</p>
<p>It’s a stretch to think there is a moral obligation to provide insurance for everyone in America.</p>
<p>We all agree it’s an expensive form of medical care and both sides want to reduce the cost of providing it. We disagree on the best way to achieve that.</p>
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		<title>By: Gringo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gringo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall many of us having interesting discussions with Ozzie, who found violations of the First Amendment under nearly every pebble at the beach. What would Ozzie say about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall many of us having interesting discussions with Ozzie, who found violations of the First Amendment under nearly every pebble at the beach. What would Ozzie say about this?</p>
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		<title>By: highlander</title>
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		<dc:creator>highlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I do not see this as a violation of the First Amendment. 

As I understand it, the First Amendment basically requires government to be &lt;i&gt;neutral&lt;/i&gt; with respect to religion (and non-religion as well).  In this case, I do not think Obama is telling anyone what they ought or ought not to believe.  I think he is, rather, telling certain religious leaders that since you (already) believe we ought to take care of one another, then you should support my health care plan.

My problem with his argument is not that it is unconstitutional, but rather that it is false.

It&#039;s like the teenager&#039;s argument:  You say you want me to grow up to be independent.  If I had a car, I would be more independent.  Therefore you should buy me a car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I do not see this as a violation of the First Amendment. </p>
<p>As I understand it, the First Amendment basically requires government to be <i>neutral</i> with respect to religion (and non-religion as well).  In this case, I do not think Obama is telling anyone what they ought or ought not to believe.  I think he is, rather, telling certain religious leaders that since you (already) believe we ought to take care of one another, then you should support my health care plan.</p>
<p>My problem with his argument is not that it is unconstitutional, but rather that it is false.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like the teenager&#8217;s argument:  You say you want me to grow up to be independent.  If I had a car, I would be more independent.  Therefore you should buy me a car.</p>
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		<title>By: gpc31</title>
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		<dc:creator>gpc31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Statism is a political religion.  As is sharia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Statism is a political religion.  As is sharia.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/21/obama-crosses-americas-one-bright-line/comment-page-1/#comment-70661</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But we all know the truth is that Bush violated the Constitution. At worst, he and Obama are the same.

(This is why you should not allow Leftists to control education, cause they&#039;ll just produce some useful idiot drones)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But we all know the truth is that Bush violated the Constitution. At worst, he and Obama are the same.</p>
<p>(This is why you should not allow Leftists to control education, cause they&#8217;ll just produce some useful idiot drones)</p>
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		<title>By: Zhombre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zhombre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like many of his followers, his self awareness is lost in a vast cloud of smug.  That is why I think of them as Stepford Libs. They&#039;re like the old joke about Catholics in heaven.  They live in hovels but think they&#039;re the only ones up there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like many of his followers, his self awareness is lost in a vast cloud of smug.  That is why I think of them as Stepford Libs. They&#8217;re like the old joke about Catholics in heaven.  They live in hovels but think they&#8217;re the only ones up there.</p>
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