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		<title>By: Bookworm Room &#187; Stephen Hawking&#8217;s health care and the NHS</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/26/kennedy-and-obama-care/comment-page-1/#comment-73544</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm Room &#187; Stephen Hawking&#8217;s health care and the NHS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I used Stephen Hawking as an example, not of Britain&#8217;s failed health care, but of the fact that, under socialized medicine, famous people and politicos always get the gold standard.  Charlie (Colorado) kindly pointed out that I&#8217;d erred.  In fact, Hawking got sick before he got famous.  That is an interesting point, since it implies that, even when he didn&#8217;t get gold standard care, his treatment under the NHS was still sufficient to keep him alive despite his ALS.  It turns out that the Hawking health story is even more complicated than that.  It doesn&#8217;t stand for my argument that he got nomenklatura treatment, at least in the beginning of his illness, but it also doesn&#8217;t put a very good face on the NHS either: Hawking biographers Michael White and John Gribben, in the second edition of their 2003 book, &#8220;Stephen Hawking, A Life In Science,&#8221; found that back when Hawking was less well-known, NHS wasn&#8217;t nearly as good to him. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I used Stephen Hawking as an example, not of Britain&#8217;s failed health care, but of the fact that, under socialized medicine, famous people and politicos always get the gold standard.  Charlie (Colorado) kindly pointed out that I&#8217;d erred.  In fact, Hawking got sick before he got famous.  That is an interesting point, since it implies that, even when he didn&#8217;t get gold standard care, his treatment under the NHS was still sufficient to keep him alive despite his ALS.  It turns out that the Hawking health story is even more complicated than that.  It doesn&#8217;t stand for my argument that he got nomenklatura treatment, at least in the beginning of his illness, but it also doesn&#8217;t put a very good face on the NHS either: Hawking biographers Michael White and John Gribben, in the second edition of their 2003 book, &#8220;Stephen Hawking, A Life In Science,&#8221; found that back when Hawking was less well-known, NHS wasn&#8217;t nearly as good to him. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/26/kennedy-and-obama-care/comment-page-1/#comment-73239</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that Edward Kennedy is dead, the Democrat political machine has become more vulnerable than it has since Reagan. You can break parts of their slaves away, through liberation or simply arms channeling.

Lincoln&#039;s solution to fighting a South that still owned slaves and were utilizing them for economic or other industries, was to free the slaves and make them part of the Union&#039;s armed forces. This was up against Northern prejudices, of course. ironically, and tragically, Robert E. Lee was no fan of slavery and would have welcomed black troops and their courage, most likely. But his political situation disavowed that solution to his manpower problem.

This same type of solution should be applied to the Left. The slavemasters, like Kennedy, are dead. The slaves may erupt in revolt, if they are given an avenue for it along with the organization and funds.

Speaking the truth about Kennedy is only of tactical worth, it has no long term strategic benefits to America unless you also break Kennedy&#039;s decades long power system in the Senate.

People have wondered how come the incumbents always get to stay in power, how politicians that go to DC gets corrupted, how even the Republicans that were elected in 1994 were corrupted... Well Now You Know how.

And if Republicans and conservatives and those that call themselves &quot;Americans&quot; allow it to happen again, you ain&#039;t got nobody to blame but yourselves here. Kennedy&#039;s death, by the Grace and Providence of God, has given us an opportunity to destroy his works and renew the works of America&#039;s Constitution. To put the power of government where it belongs, and out of the hands of the likes of Kennedy and his sycophants/allies.

This is permanent change. Elections are not. Elections are a joke. Their joke on you. You think you are electing people to replace the corrupt. All America has been doing for decades has been electing &quot;Friends of Kennedy&quot;, regardless of political allegiance (McCain, Orin Hatch, even Bush and his advisers). You see, to work in politics, you have to compromise and make deals. And given the influence and power Kennedy had, even Republicans had to cooperate with him, including Bush for God knows what reason. And now you see.

Don&#039;t let people close their eyes to what&#039;s really going on. They may never get a chance to open them as good as this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that Edward Kennedy is dead, the Democrat political machine has become more vulnerable than it has since Reagan. You can break parts of their slaves away, through liberation or simply arms channeling.</p>
<p>Lincoln&#8217;s solution to fighting a South that still owned slaves and were utilizing them for economic or other industries, was to free the slaves and make them part of the Union&#8217;s armed forces. This was up against Northern prejudices, of course. ironically, and tragically, Robert E. Lee was no fan of slavery and would have welcomed black troops and their courage, most likely. But his political situation disavowed that solution to his manpower problem.</p>
<p>This same type of solution should be applied to the Left. The slavemasters, like Kennedy, are dead. The slaves may erupt in revolt, if they are given an avenue for it along with the organization and funds.</p>
<p>Speaking the truth about Kennedy is only of tactical worth, it has no long term strategic benefits to America unless you also break Kennedy&#8217;s decades long power system in the Senate.</p>
<p>People have wondered how come the incumbents always get to stay in power, how politicians that go to DC gets corrupted, how even the Republicans that were elected in 1994 were corrupted&#8230; Well Now You Know how.</p>
<p>And if Republicans and conservatives and those that call themselves &#8220;Americans&#8221; allow it to happen again, you ain&#8217;t got nobody to blame but yourselves here. Kennedy&#8217;s death, by the Grace and Providence of God, has given us an opportunity to destroy his works and renew the works of America&#8217;s Constitution. To put the power of government where it belongs, and out of the hands of the likes of Kennedy and his sycophants/allies.</p>
<p>This is permanent change. Elections are not. Elections are a joke. Their joke on you. You think you are electing people to replace the corrupt. All America has been doing for decades has been electing &#8220;Friends of Kennedy&#8221;, regardless of political allegiance (McCain, Orin Hatch, even Bush and his advisers). You see, to work in politics, you have to compromise and make deals. And given the influence and power Kennedy had, even Republicans had to cooperate with him, including Bush for God knows what reason. And now you see.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let people close their eyes to what&#8217;s really going on. They may never get a chance to open them as good as this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/26/kennedy-and-obama-care/comment-page-1/#comment-73231</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hawking a special case. He is special because his condition is due to internal, not external factors. He is also a special case because he can be cataloged as a productive member of society. Thus, if you wish to somehow survive under the NHS system in Britain, you had better be considered as productive as him and with as many or as little friends in high places as he has.

If people wish to gamble their life&#039;s savings on that, that is their choice to make. But it is not their choice to make it for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hawking a special case. He is special because his condition is due to internal, not external factors. He is also a special case because he can be cataloged as a productive member of society. Thus, if you wish to somehow survive under the NHS system in Britain, you had better be considered as productive as him and with as many or as little friends in high places as he has.</p>
<p>If people wish to gamble their life&#8217;s savings on that, that is their choice to make. But it is not their choice to make it for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie (Colorado)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie (Colorado)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Books, that&#039;s not true either.  By the time he became well known, he was already a basket case.  It might be true to say that he became well-known because of the illness: he rather famously said something to the effect that he&#039;d decided to really work on his research because it was the only chance he really had to make something of his life.

In any case, though, he&#039;s not a good example for any side, because no one in the US has survived progressive ALS for 45 years here either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Books, that&#8217;s not true either.  By the time he became well known, he was already a basket case.  It might be true to say that he became well-known because of the illness: he rather famously said something to the effect that he&#8217;d decided to really work on his research because it was the only chance he really had to make something of his life.</p>
<p>In any case, though, he&#8217;s not a good example for any side, because no one in the US has survived progressive ALS for 45 years here either.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm Room &#187; Ted Kennedy *UPDATED*</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/26/kennedy-and-obama-care/comment-page-1/#comment-72865</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm Room &#187; Ted Kennedy *UPDATED*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]   &#171; Three more grim &#8220;this is your future&#8221; stories out of BritainKennedy and Obama Care [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/26/kennedy-and-obama-care/comment-page-1/#comment-72859</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie (Colorado):  you make a good point about the onset of Hawking&#039;s illness.  What I really meant is that, by the time his illness reached the point at which he was making above average demands on the medical system, he was well known</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie (Colorado):  you make a good point about the onset of Hawking&#8217;s illness.  What I really meant is that, by the time his illness reached the point at which he was making above average demands on the medical system, he was well known</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/26/kennedy-and-obama-care/comment-page-1/#comment-72855</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_5585

If you read this, you will see that when I mentioned Clyntahn, it wasn&#039;t a one off thing. This is an aristocrat of the old form, that had a seat of power until his death, which he in fact inherited from his family. He has been in power more than the Bushes and Clintons put together. Perhaps even if you count Hillary&#039;s Senate time.

And Americans want to talk about being against a family inheritance for the Presidency? They&#039;re not against it. They&#039;ve been supporting it. Their representatives, Democrat and Republican, have been supporting it.

It was all part and parcel of how the powerful corrupted the system, demanding that any who came to DC to wield power must play the game by the rules set down by the corrupt, the the malevolent, the greedy, the irresponsible, and the atrocity prone.

Read it and see how it all came about for Ted Kennedy. How he obtained power, how he held unto it.

God may be merciful in his final punishment, assuming one takes at face value the existence of Heaven and Hell, but that would never be enough. Not for him.

Obama and Kennedy are just two men that stays in power because of the corrupt system, and the system is corrupt because of all the Americans and power brokers sustaining it, keeping it alive, preventing it from being reformed or changed for the better.

Their deaths are not enough, because it won&#039;t change anything. The world did not get better just because Kennedy died. Some other politician out to advance the agenda of entropy and the destruction of people&#039;s lives will take his place.

Things won&#039;t change. It won&#039;t change if bad politicians die by natural cases. It won&#039;t change if they die by assassination or unnatural causes. It won&#039;t change if you un-elect them and replace them. It won&#039;t change until the system is changed.</description>
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<p>If you read this, you will see that when I mentioned Clyntahn, it wasn&#8217;t a one off thing. This is an aristocrat of the old form, that had a seat of power until his death, which he in fact inherited from his family. He has been in power more than the Bushes and Clintons put together. Perhaps even if you count Hillary&#8217;s Senate time.</p>
<p>And Americans want to talk about being against a family inheritance for the Presidency? They&#8217;re not against it. They&#8217;ve been supporting it. Their representatives, Democrat and Republican, have been supporting it.</p>
<p>It was all part and parcel of how the powerful corrupted the system, demanding that any who came to DC to wield power must play the game by the rules set down by the corrupt, the the malevolent, the greedy, the irresponsible, and the atrocity prone.</p>
<p>Read it and see how it all came about for Ted Kennedy. How he obtained power, how he held unto it.</p>
<p>God may be merciful in his final punishment, assuming one takes at face value the existence of Heaven and Hell, but that would never be enough. Not for him.</p>
<p>Obama and Kennedy are just two men that stays in power because of the corrupt system, and the system is corrupt because of all the Americans and power brokers sustaining it, keeping it alive, preventing it from being reformed or changed for the better.</p>
<p>Their deaths are not enough, because it won&#8217;t change anything. The world did not get better just because Kennedy died. Some other politician out to advance the agenda of entropy and the destruction of people&#8217;s lives will take his place.</p>
<p>Things won&#8217;t change. It won&#8217;t change if bad politicians die by natural cases. It won&#8217;t change if they die by assassination or unnatural causes. It won&#8217;t change if you un-elect them and replace them. It won&#8217;t change until the system is changed.</p>
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		<title>By: The Anchoress — A First Things Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/26/kennedy-and-obama-care/comment-page-1/#comment-72838</link>
		<dc:creator>The Anchoress — A First Things Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] him. Rules are rules. Ed Driscoll: a good roundup Bookworm: Wasn&#8217;t going to comment but finds Democrat reactions demanding one JWF (and many emails) ask: Will this be another Wellstone memorial?. Well, it won&#8217;t be now! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] him. Rules are rules. Ed Driscoll: a good roundup Bookworm: Wasn&#8217;t going to comment but finds Democrat reactions demanding one JWF (and many emails) ask: Will this be another Wellstone memorial?. Well, it won&#8217;t be now! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie (Colorado)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie (Colorado)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Kennedy survived, not because he got the Obama Care the Left is demanding for the rest of us, but because he got the best that American medicine is capable of providing.&lt;/i&gt;

Word.  The treatment for a glioma or glioblastoma in Canada and the UK is steroids to reduce the swelling and control the seizures along with advice to arrange your affairs and call the family.

However, ...

&lt;i&gt;Hawking became ill when he was already famous&lt;/i&gt;

... isn&#039;t actually true.  Hawking developed ALS in his first year of graduate school; up until then he&#039;d not been a particularly distinguished student.  Hawking&#039;s not a very good example for anyone, though, because as you point out he receives support almost no one else could expect, and because he&#039;s survived progressive ALS for longer than anyone else with the disease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Kennedy survived, not because he got the Obama Care the Left is demanding for the rest of us, but because he got the best that American medicine is capable of providing.</i></p>
<p>Word.  The treatment for a glioma or glioblastoma in Canada and the UK is steroids to reduce the swelling and control the seizures along with advice to arrange your affairs and call the family.</p>
<p>However, &#8230;</p>
<p><i>Hawking became ill when he was already famous</i></p>
<p>&#8230; isn&#8217;t actually true.  Hawking developed ALS in his first year of graduate school; up until then he&#8217;d not been a particularly distinguished student.  Hawking&#8217;s not a very good example for anyone, though, because as you point out he receives support almost no one else could expect, and because he&#8217;s survived progressive ALS for longer than anyone else with the disease.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted Kennedy is pretty close to Clyntahn, the Grand Inquisitor of David Weber&#039;s Safehold universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted Kennedy is pretty close to Clyntahn, the Grand Inquisitor of David Weber&#8217;s Safehold universe.</p>
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