Will the Black Panthers, encouraged by Eric Holders’ decision to dismiss charges against them, go to new levels of intimidation?

During the November 2008 election, Black Panthers appeared on video standing in front of polling places with billy clubs:

Eric Holder, however, was unconcerned, and dropped the voter intimidation case against the Black Panthers.  Having learned that they get a free pass for egregious behavior antithetical to democratic government gets a free pass, I wonder if, in 2010, the Panthers will take the whole thing to the next level.  In Afghanistan, for example, the Taliban has voter intimidation down to an art:

Lal Mohammad was determined to stand against Taliban threats and exercise his right to vote in Afghanistan’s presidential election.

But he now regrets his defiance.

These horrifying pictures show a fearful Mohammad recovering after he was ambushed by Taliban fighters as he walked to a polling station last week.

The 40-year-old farmer was beaten and mutilated. The Taliban cut off his ears and part of his nose in the shocking attack.

To date, the Panthers have been pikers.  With the Obama wind at their back, though, who knows how far they’ll go?

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  • Oldflyer

    Why wouldn’t they? What is the downside?

  • http://OgBlog.net Earl

    Just a reminder that the government had won the case by default! The accused did not answer the charges, so they had conceded guilt.

    Holder refused to accept the government’s win in this case…..and not a word of remonstrance from the man we elected to faithfully uphold the nation’s laws.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/ Ymarsakar

    They will go as far as citizens allow them to go.

    The problem with giving up your sovereignty as a free individual in return for temporary safety and small amounts of money to the federal king and queen is that the feds don’t particularly respond all that quickly to your grievances.

    Part of the problem with the feudal justice system is that high justice was administered by the king, which meant that only he could decide on such cases, which meant everybody had to wait to petition him in both low and high cases. The king had feudal knights and barons, but he could not delegate this function.

    When the feds have this kind of power, they can’t delegate it back to the states. To do so would be to erode their own base of authority, which most people won’t do even if they wanted to. The inertial of the status quo, of incumbency, of the fear of change.

    People want a charismatic leader that promises change in hard and trying times. But it isn’t change they want, it is a return to security.

  • Charles Martel

    I think Obama/Holder may decide to use the Panthers as agents provocateurs. If so, they are looking at what appears to be a win/win situation:

    —If nobody opposes Panther thugs, their intimidation succeeds.

    —If somebody does step up to oppose them, say ex-Marines, Holder can cry racism. Even worse, if you were to get posse comitatus types coming at the Panthers, it would produce a propaganda feast for the left and give Obama a wedge he could use to test out martial law in some jurisdictions.

    The Panthers are not invulnerable, however. Their leftist politics has always been a veneer over their true purpose, which is gang activity. In every neighborhood where they’ve ever held sway, their drug sales apparatus is logarithmically more efficient than any of the crappy preschools and soup kitchens they set up. They are also good at eliminating rival drug dealers, usually with a bullet.

    Perhaps there are one or two brave journalists still left in the Whore Media who could get the word out about who these punks really are.

    The other thing about them—and I think Ymarsakar could vouch for this—while Panther members may each be physically brave, none of them know how to fight in an organized manner. They are spontaneous, individualistic fighters and killers. Unlike free men, they have none of the discipline of a military group or motivation that goes beyond terror and intimidation as a way of insuring their loyalty to the cause. If it comes down to street violence, the Panthers will be the equivalent of the savages that the Marines took down in Fallujah: brave but dead.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/ Ymarsakar

    The fight is asymmetrical.

    The Marines can clean out gang infested neighborhoods and break the power of any number of foreign or domestic terrorist organizations, under martial law that is. The National Guard can also do so, since they have a posse immunity. With the requirement that the Guard units must have served under Petraeus’ COIN operations.

    The gangs can’t trump any organized force, but they don’t need to. The asymmetrical nature of crime and corruption is that they inevitably target the weakest, those unable to defend themselves, and also the political class, who don’t want to defend anything but their own hides.

    By controlling the people of a neighborhood, they control the political representation of that region and can, like Sadr, elect reps to represent their ‘interests’ in the US system.

    There are many ways to break the power lock, none of them are symmetrical. Meaning none of them has anything with using police or equals.

    In any insurgency or counter-insurgency, the principle matter is who controls the people, and thus controls the land on which the people live and work in.

    Ordinary citizens can’t meet organized BP resistance, because ordinary citizens are lucky enough to be organize into cohesive family units, let alone neighborhood watches or private militias. THe BP can’t meet organized military or police organization. They have dealt with the latter via the usual asymmetrical means and the only way they would win against the US military would be to also utilize asymmetrical means of civilian shields, lawfare, or buying off politicians so that the military campaigns are sabotaged from within.

    Petraeus’ COIN, unlike Casey’s disarming the militias that formed to protect their communities from rampaging terrorists and criminals that the Shia government either couldn’t fix or wouldn’t fix, was about teaching and supplying the local citizens so that they could defend their own homes. Except because of the aid we gave them, they will be fighting by our side and not against us, thus solidifying an alliance in fact, not just on some paper used for toilet disposal.

    This then reverses the asymmetry in another fractal shape and sandwiches the terrorists between the attacks from the top and the attacks from the bottom. So long as a terrorist organization can provoke the occupation into over-reacting, the civilians would have no choice but to look towards terrorists for assurances of safety. But if you arm the civilians directly, then they will take the fight to the terrorists and will rather fight them due to collateral damage than fight you for blowing up a school or wedding.

    Currently blacks are on the side of the BP. THey may say they disagree with racial power groups like the BP, but that is only because it is not societally accepted, so far, in most black communities. Yet the same employers of the BP tool are the same Democrats blacks vote predominantly for.They are all allies, whether they know it or not. The BP, like all insurgencies, want more recruitment through inciting problems rather than fixing them. It is the occupation, the white man, that is supposed to fix things, so they can be blamed for not fixing them, blamed for having enmity towards blacks.

    People can fight the BP, but it would be pointless if the power structure isn’t changed. Absent the declaration of martial law, ordinary citizens can fight off voter intimidation through the simple expedient of overpowering the BP mob and ushering their fellow citizens in. If Obama reacts with official pressure and arrests, it will increase recruitment for the anti-Obama insurgency, much as any white police pressure placed on blacks, like Gates or the BP, would lead to some increased growth of Black Power, of which Black Panthers are only one derivative branch.

    Fear is often spread like an airborne disease. People will act more afraid if they see others afraid. On the other side of the eq, people will become braver the more they see their peers fighting with enemies. Often that is enough to ensure victory.

    THe Black Panthers, like any fringe organization, has its true believers, its spokesmen, its public face, its muscle branch, and the money laundering side of things. Not as large as ACORN on the financial side, but greater on the thug muscle component.

    The key threat of the Black Panthers is their deniability. The government can use them and then make the media ignore the incidents as unrelated to government policy. Obama, for example, could sit neutral and pretty while his surrogates attacked Palin. Like all dictators, much of their power is based on perception and the use of terror to maintain that illusion of omnipotent power.

    The interesting thing about Leftist terrorist groups is that they aren’t particularly experts on bombs or firearms. A Timothy McVeigh, with no real connections to the general right wing militia groups, could set off a successful bomb attack but Ayers’ bomb attack blew up around 2 of his own group.

    There’s the real difference between right wing terrorism and left wing terrorism, rather than politics (since Stalin and Hitler had more in common than different from our perspective even if it wasn’t so from theirs). Left wing terrorism prefers more subtle forms of intimidation because they don’t know how to use guns or bombs. Right wing intimidation, or basically white/Irish terrorism, is based more on the spectacularly explosive variety. It’s a cultural difference.

    Gangs occupy some grey area, with a main focus on expedient weapons and illegal firearms. They aren’t a primarily political arm of anybody. They are opportunists.

    The benefit of an armed populace is that it is very hard to disrupt law and order when either the majority or a substantial minority spread equally across the nation has arms, or the ability to defend themselves. Without that ability, the power to dictate terms would be in the hands of the strong. With that ability, the strong then becomes the civilians, the husbands and mothers trying to safeguard their homes, businesses, and children. Rather than, say, power accumulating under Ayers or gang leaders.

    Of course, popular culture has systematically brainwashed the American people into fearing guns. People now fear guns more than they fear criminals, probably because they think they understand how guns work (they kill people) and they think they understand how criminals work (misunderstood and abused innocent children).

    That’s not how guns or criminals work, however. Disinformation, as you can see, from the Left has a disproportionate effect, long term, on the stability of a nation. The lies in themselves don’t have an immediate or extraordinary effect. What happens is that a thousand petty groups intent on stealing other people’s wealth utilize the disarmament and propaganda given to them by the Left, in order to emplace a Reign of Terror on the populace. The populace then calls out for a leader, and that leader becomes Obama, who then, coincidentally, was the master mind behind the anarchy in the first place. Of course he could control the gangs and the problems. He ordered them to cause chaos in the first place.

    For the personal fighting qualities of Black Panthers, I can’t really say as I haven’t researched their previous incidents. I don’t know their weapon preferences, for example, other than the poll video.

    However, it is not particularly surprising that they wouldn’t be well trained. After all, most Americans aren’t trained in H2H. Most firearm trained Americans aren’t trained in H2H. Women that have volunteered for the military, for example, still has a particular incidence for being victims of rape, even though they have more access to firearms on base than might be the case for civilians in general. Some say this is due to a lack of training or some inherent quality in women that refuse to kill (their rapist), but if you ask me, it is because their training was incorrect. Not insufficient or too overabundant, but both in the context of ‘incorrect’. They weren’t taught about dropping rules about shooting your comrades in arms, Blue on Blue, in such situations. They didn’t know how because their training didn’t cover it. And they were trained, again, not to use firearms on base, so the moment they should have been thinking about grabbing, loading, and firing a firearm, they were paralyzed by hesitation. And hesitation has the usual results in combat as it does in criminal encounters.

    Most military members aren’t well trained in H2H. The Army combatives program, for example, is only really designed to create esprit de corps, not much of anything else (besides fitness). THe Marines are better, although by how much I can’t really say. Most of the news we hear of successful defenses by Marines have been conducted either in a group or by older Marines (retired) not by the new ones. You’d think that if their training was geared towards all uses of violence, that it wouldn’t matter how young or old they were. But, again, the fighting techniques are taught in a context of Rules of Engagement which do not apply on the streets. Thus they are training for a specific test, and not for a general problem to resolve.

    You could go on this little mirror in front of another mirror all you want. It never ends, really. One reason it might be called the art of fighting rather than the science of fighting is that science requires you to go out and test the hypothesis. Well, aside from putting bait out to catch criminals, you can’t really test this stuff. You have to go by other evidence, medical autopsy reports or eye witness encounters that have survived violence, for example.

    Statistically, however, in any ordinary population of people, 90% shouldn’t be there (fighting), 10 are the fighters, and only one out of that 10 is a bonafide warrior-leader.

    Proper and useful training methodologies turns the ratios on their head. It makes an army capable of fighting with everybody in it. 100%

    What can be done for Iraqis and Afghans can also be done for Americans, particularly because Americans are far more disciplined and better shots than some Arabs and Afghans. (Spray and Pray no more)

  • Mike

    Thank you all and good comments. But don’t forget we still have a couple of new organizations that count.

    Here http://www.warriorlegacyfoundation.org/

    and here http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

    Not even on a bad day would any of these people take heat from the BP’s or anyone else.

    I belong to both and post on them occasionally.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/ Ymarsakar

    THe Nation of Islam is a more effective organization. I believe they assassinated Malcom X once he saw that reforms were working and started having second thoughts.

  • Zhombre

    With this abrogation of duty in the Panthers case, the dropping of the investigation of Richardson in NM, and the politically motivated decision to appoint a CIA prosecutor, I think the Obama Administration is reaching the point of high crimes and misdemeanors.

  • suek

    More on the topic.


    >>I think the Obama Administration is reaching the point of high crimes and misdemeanors.>>

    Not to disagree with you – because I don’t – but so what? Who’s going to do anything about it?


    I can’t remember if anyone asked Holder about this during confirmation proceedings. It’s no surprise he shrugged off a few BP’s in Philly.

    /snip from wikipedia

    Holder was also involved in Clinton’s decision to reduce the criminal sentences of 16 members of the Boricua Popular Army, an organization that has been categorized by the FBI as a terrorist organization. The clemency request was initially opposed in 1996 by U.S. Pardons Attorney Margaret Love. When Holder was elevated to Deputy Attorney General in 1997, he was asked to reexamine the issue by three members of Congress. In July 1999, Holder recommended clemency to Clinton with a report from then U.S. Pardons Attorney Roger Adams that neither supported nor opposed clemency. A month later, Clinton granted the clemency. According to The Hartford Courant, the clemency was unusual because it was opposed by the FBI, the federal prosecutor and the victims. According to the newspaper, it was also unusual because, before the commutations, the Boricua Popular Army members were not required to repudiate their actions, and they were not asked to provide any information concerning the whereabouts of Victor Manuel Gerena, a co-conspirator and one of the FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives, or the millions of dollars stolen by the group in a 1983 robbery of Wells Fargo in West Hartford, Connecticut.

  • Zhombre

    Holder was also instrumental in securing a pardon for Marc Rich too. Look that one up. Another travesty.


    Zhombre … didn’t forget about it, I was just comparing groups of rotten apples rather than the individual ones. Speaking of which…………….

    Abdel Baset al-Megrahi – let’s just call him the Bastard al-Maggot. There has been speculation (I can hear the shredders now) that his release provided the UK/BP with a nice oil deal, which of course England denies but dates to ‘chats’ and the deal speak otherwise. Scotland cannot under UK law make international decisions such as; releasing scum. No doubt in my mind that England would not have navigated such rough seas without alerting the US to its intentions.

    My hackles are up with BO’s outreach community activist program to muslims.


    If the BP’s feel empowered by Holder, the NYT (the billy club of print) adds it’s own fuel.

    “Almost Entirely White and Irritable Crowd” of “Angry” Obama-Care Protesters


  • Gringo

    Here is another reason for the Black Panthers to induce disgust: the murder of Betty Van Patter in 1974. Betty Van Patter was a bookkeeper with radical political leanings whom the Black Panthers hired to do their books, at the recommendation of David Horowitz. Betty Van Patter had worked with Horowitz at Ramparts, the defunct radical magazine.

    Betty Van Patter had discovered irregularities in the Black Panthers’ books, and after informing the Black Panthers about those irregularities, she disappeared and was discovered dead in the Bay a month later. In addition to the obvious connection, it is of note that Elaine Brown and other Black Panthers have turned exceedingly hostile when one mentions Betty Van Patter to them.

    Have to say this for the Black Panthers : clever enough to avoid this rap.



    David Horowitz recounts the history in this piece (1999). Quite a read and graphic enough to remind the reader the roots of the BP.


    Thanks for the post/reminder, Gringo.

  • Gringo

    Thanks for getting that link, Sadie. One error in it.

    On the following Monday, I received an anxious phone call from Tammy Van Patter, Betty’s 18 year old daughter, who had also worked for me at Ramparts.

    Tammy/Tamara Baltar was 24. Betty Van Patter remarried after she and her first husband ,Tammy’s father, had divorced. Tamara/Tammy kept her father’s surname.


    You are very welcome, Gringo. It’s been a long time and that article about the BP’s and Betty Van Patter filled in the years and the forgetfulness of details.

    It would make one hell of a movie script. Don’t think I’ll live long enough to see anyone is lala-land even attempt it.

    David Horowitz will be on Glenn Beck on Friday September 4th at 2:00 PM PST discussing Saul Alinsky.

  • Charles Martel

    Come on, lighten up, people! The Panthers’ alleged murder of Van Patter, even if it turned out to be true, was a youthful indiscretion. The Panthers have gone on since her death to bring a great deal of pride and progress to their Oakland neighborhoods, which rank among America’s top 1.5 million safest.

    If a white senator from a rich family can kill an inconvenient political liability, why can’t poor, misunderstand, oppressed thugs of color do the same?

  • http://bookwormroom.com Bookworm

    Indeed, given all the good work the Panthers have done for oppressed people of color, I bet there’s even a possibility that Van Patter would have thought her sacrifice, no matter how frightening and painful, worth it. After all, what’s one little white, female life compared to the good of the world?


    Palm of hand raising up going towards side of head now…sound of duh escaping lips, what was I thinking.

    Of course, youthful indiscretions – a working title for the movie script. Plots are interchangeable.

    Casting call at 8 a.m. sharp.

    Bring the following:

    Rap Sheet
    Rap Music
    H. Rap Brown quotes
    Proof of accident/murder/oops
    Witness if living,
    If dead, Certificate of Death (Coroner’s report if available)
    Proof of party affiliation/s (can substitute SEIU card)


    Ah..the good old days. A tad off subject, but still a tad on.

    I found this retrospective viewed through witnesses on the 40th anniversary of the Watts Riots. Since I am on the East coast, I have no idea if the Dems pulled a hat trick and turned Watts into a trendy, must buy townhouse, with up-end ‘shops’ or if there is a Starbucks or whatever on the corner type of neighborhood.
    1995, I was busy trying to dodge buses being blown up, so I missed any renaissance that may have occurred.


  • Charles Martel

    SADIE, I know I’ve said it before, but I have to say it again: When Book throws that great party for all of her blog buddies in one of San Francisco’s grandest ballrooms, you come sit down right beside me. I insist!

    Your casting call riff: LMAO

    About Watts: Ironically, the neighborhood is now heavily Hispanic. Blacks have been pushed further south and west. The sheer weight of Latino demographics is squeezing blacks out of neighborhoods that people once thought would be African-American for generations.

    Of course, since neither blacks nor Latinos can be racist—that distinction being reserved for European whites only—the violence between blacks and browns in South Central is the obvious work of GOP provocateurs.


    Aw, gees Charles, I am flattered and yes, of course, I remember that invite by proxy…and I would be delighted to sit next to you. Now, hurry up and tell Book, we ain’t gettin’ any younger (wink wink).

    Thanks for the neighborhood update.
    So, I guess it’s a no to the townhouses and gentrification program.

  • Gringo


    Indeed, given all the good work the Panthers have done for oppressed people of color, I bet there’s even a possibility that Van Patter would have thought her sacrifice, no matter how frightening and painful, worth it.

    Book, there is a lot of black humor in that remark, but like all jokes, it contains an element of truth. By virtue of having lived among the leftoids all your life, you understand how they think, even though you do not share their political viewpoints anymore.

    Because Betty’s daughter Tamara had grown up in the Bay Area, and the mentality of the Berkeley left had permeated to the core of her being, she initially did not think the Panthers had done it. By contrast, nearly from the beginning David Horowitz suspected the Panthers. Of course, Horowitz had much more direct knowledge of the Panthers than Tamara did.

    A top notch private investigator that the family hired concluded that the Panthers had done it. With all that , it took TEN YEARS for Tamara to conclude that the Panthers had done it. From what I have read, while she has an unfavorable view of the Panthers, she has conserved a fair amount of her Berkeley left roots, such as an Ozzie-like antipathy towards the religious right. To conclude your mother was murdered by political thugs you thought were the good guys: that must have been a very wrenching experience.

  • Gringo

    Charles Martel:

    If a white senator from a rich family can kill an inconvenient political liability, why can’t poor, misunderstand, oppressed thugs of color do the same?

    At the time of the OJ trial, many expressed the same sentiment, using examples such as Cullen Davis or Claus von Bülow.


    Gringo..what a memory.

    I immediately thought of Johnny Stompanto (of Lana Turner fame) and Claudine Longet (former wife of Andy Williams).

    Of course, the von Bulow trial had all the high drama and Newport money. I have no recollection of Cullen Davis.