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	<title>Comments on: New York Times writer fails logic test on climate change hoax documents</title>
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		<title>By: gkong3</title>
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		<dc:creator>gkong3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CM: Oh, is that where the 7th Day Adventists come from? Never knew that.
Although, they&#039;re right. The end of the world is near. Of course, near in G-d&#039;s time is quite possibly some centuries...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CM: Oh, is that where the 7th Day Adventists come from? Never knew that.<br />
Although, they&#8217;re right. The end of the world is near. Of course, near in G-d&#8217;s time is quite possibly some centuries&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SADIE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SADIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Mike &amp; Charles&lt;/strong&gt;
Thought this would be a good read for the two of you. Not that either of you need confirmation - Briggs&#039; voice  echoes your own.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=1355&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=1355&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Mike &amp; Charles</strong><br />
Thought this would be a good read for the two of you. Not that either of you need confirmation &#8211; Briggs&#8217; voice  echoes your own.<br />
<a href="http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=1355" rel="nofollow">http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=1355</a></p>
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		<title>By: Quisp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017451/climategate-how-the-msm-reported-the-greatest-scandal-in-modern-science/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;James Delingpole&lt;/a&gt; has a roundup of how the MSM is reporting this at his Telegraph blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017451/climategate-how-the-msm-reported-the-greatest-scandal-in-modern-science/" rel="nofollow">James Delingpole</a> has a roundup of how the MSM is reporting this at his Telegraph blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Martel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Martel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Millerites were an apocalyptic U.S. religious cult in the 1840s who had been told that the end was going to come in 1844. The day of doom came and went, so the cult leader said his prediction had been loosey-goosey enough to allow for being a few months off. Eighteen forty-six! he declared, and his followers bit. 

When that didn&#039;t work, they didn&#039;t turn against their leader, they just settled in to being good Millerites who were sure the day of reckoning would come soon enough even if they couldn&#039;t quite pinpoint the date.

The Millerites today are called Seventh Day Adventists, very decent folks who have developed some terrific vegetarian recipes and run some great medical hospitals. Would that our looney global warming religionists would have the sense---and decency---to do as the Adventists did. But I&#039;m not holding my breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Millerites were an apocalyptic U.S. religious cult in the 1840s who had been told that the end was going to come in 1844. The day of doom came and went, so the cult leader said his prediction had been loosey-goosey enough to allow for being a few months off. Eighteen forty-six! he declared, and his followers bit. </p>
<p>When that didn&#8217;t work, they didn&#8217;t turn against their leader, they just settled in to being good Millerites who were sure the day of reckoning would come soon enough even if they couldn&#8217;t quite pinpoint the date.</p>
<p>The Millerites today are called Seventh Day Adventists, very decent folks who have developed some terrific vegetarian recipes and run some great medical hospitals. Would that our looney global warming religionists would have the sense&#8212;and decency&#8212;to do as the Adventists did. But I&#8217;m not holding my breath.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Global Warming is a religion, not a science.   It is no surprise that its adherents refuse to accept reality.
 
Even when we thought it was just a question of accepting facts, we could not convince the followers of the religion that they&#039;d bought into a huge fraud.  Now they must observe that the high priests of their religion - these so-called &quot;scientists&quot; - have been lying, deceiving, fudging and distorting the truth.  But even that will not change anything.  They will circle the wagons, crouch in a defensive posture, and bitterly cling to their falsified reports, claiming truth.
 
One can only hope that most Americans will become aware of the fraud and, being of common sense, abandon this global warming religious movement.   Oh, how I hope there is enough wisdom left in most Americans to do so.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global Warming is a religion, not a science.   It is no surprise that its adherents refuse to accept reality.<br />
 <br />
Even when we thought it was just a question of accepting facts, we could not convince the followers of the religion that they&#8217;d bought into a huge fraud.  Now they must observe that the high priests of their religion &#8211; these so-called &#8220;scientists&#8221; &#8211; have been lying, deceiving, fudging and distorting the truth.  But even that will not change anything.  They will circle the wagons, crouch in a defensive posture, and bitterly cling to their falsified reports, claiming truth.<br />
 <br />
One can only hope that most Americans will become aware of the fraud and, being of common sense, abandon this global warming religious movement.   Oh, how I hope there is enough wisdom left in most Americans to do so.<br />
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		<title>By: &#187; Links to Visit &#8211; 11/21/09 NoisyRoom.net: Where liberty dwells, there is my country&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Links to Visit &#8211; 11/21/09 NoisyRoom.net: Where liberty dwells, there is my country&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: SADIE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SADIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I might not be right - but I am never wrong&quot; approach and I thought that only whores turned &#039;tricks&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I might not be right &#8211; but I am never wrong&#8221; approach and I thought that only whores turned &#8216;tricks&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;discussions of scientific data and whether it should be released&quot;...why would this even need discussion? The basic idea of science is that *you can always go and see for yourself*...if you don&#039;t want to believe what Galileo is telling you about the motion of the heavenly bodies, get your own telescope and look for yourself. This is a major thing--maybe *the* major thing--that distinguished to scientific era from the time of the medieval scholastics, who tended to settle arguments by appeal to authority, usually Aristotle.

If there are really questions about whether--as a general matter--scientific data should be released (other than when military security, corporate proprietary information, etc are involved) then the &quot;scientific&quot; community is in serious trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;discussions of scientific data and whether it should be released&#8221;&#8230;why would this even need discussion? The basic idea of science is that *you can always go and see for yourself*&#8230;if you don&#8217;t want to believe what Galileo is telling you about the motion of the heavenly bodies, get your own telescope and look for yourself. This is a major thing&#8211;maybe *the* major thing&#8211;that distinguished to scientific era from the time of the medieval scholastics, who tended to settle arguments by appeal to authority, usually Aristotle.</p>
<p>If there are really questions about whether&#8211;as a general matter&#8211;scientific data should be released (other than when military security, corporate proprietary information, etc are involved) then the &#8220;scientific&#8221; community is in serious trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it is an economic blog after all, so it&#039;s no wonder that the finanacial aspects interest him, and that it&#039;s what he&#039;d pick up on first:
From:
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/11/hackers-prove-global-warming-is-scam.html
&quot;So far, the most interesting file I found in the &quot;documents&quot; directory is &lt;a href=&quot;http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ah4XLQCleuUYdFIxMnhMNnlXb2JQcDZUendjUXpWWUE&amp;hl=en&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pdj_grant_since1990.xls&lt;/a&gt; (Google preview, click) which shows that since 1990, Phil Jones has collected staggering 13.7 million British pounds ($22.6 million) in grants.&quot;
 
That&#039;s entirely aside from the actual scientific stuff...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it is an economic blog after all, so it&#8217;s no wonder that the finanacial aspects interest him, and that it&#8217;s what he&#8217;d pick up on first:<br />
From:<br />
<a href="http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/11/hackers-prove-global-warming-is-scam.html" rel="nofollow">http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/11/hackers-prove-global-warming-is-scam.html</a><br />
&#8220;So far, the most interesting file I found in the &#8220;documents&#8221; directory is <a href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ah4XLQCleuUYdFIxMnhMNnlXb2JQcDZUendjUXpWWUE&amp;hl=en" rel="nofollow">pdj_grant_since1990.xls</a> (Google preview, click) which shows that since 1990, Phil Jones has collected staggering 13.7 million British pounds ($22.6 million) in grants.&#8221;<br />
 <br />
That&#8217;s entirely aside from the actual scientific stuff&#8230;</p>
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