Comments on: Be it ever so humble, there’s no place like home. *UPDATED* http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/11/29/be-it-ever-so-humble-theres-no-place-like-home/ Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:48:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: suek http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/11/29/be-it-ever-so-humble-theres-no-place-like-home/comment-page-1/#comment-83640 suek Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:08:15 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=9818#comment-83640 From what I've heard, Mike, you should check out the actions of the legal problems he had in Washington State before you place blame on Huckabee.  Apparently the same type of non-action occurred there - and much more recently.   Once again - I don't hold Huckabee to be responsibility free, but neither do I hold him responsible for the deaths of the officers - which some people do.   I see it as sort of like a teacher in fourth grade passing a kid who can't do the math into fifth grade, and then when the same kid gets to eighth grade and also gets passed when he can't do the math, the high school blames the 4th grade teacher.  Sure he's not blameless, but neither is the school that allowed the kid to be passed from eighth grade as ready for high school. From what I’ve heard, Mike, you should check out the actions of the legal problems he had in Washington State before you place blame on Huckabee.  Apparently the same type of non-action occurred there – and much more recently.
 
Once again – I don’t hold Huckabee to be responsibility free, but neither do I hold him responsible for the deaths of the officers – which some people do.
 
I see it as sort of like a teacher in fourth grade passing a kid who can’t do the math into fifth grade, and then when the same kid gets to eighth grade and also gets passed when he can’t do the math, the high school blames the 4th grade teacher.  Sure he’s not blameless, but neither is the school that allowed the kid to be passed from eighth grade as ready for high school.

]]> By: Mike Devx http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/11/29/be-it-ever-so-humble-theres-no-place-like-home/comment-page-1/#comment-83638 Mike Devx Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:00:06 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=9818#comment-83638 suek #4: > as we’ve discussed here before, charity towards the transgressor is usually injustice towards the victim of the transgressor > I felt his actions on illegals were unacceptable – and they were based on “Christian charity”.  In other words, his “Christian charity” tended to be of the wishy-washy type > Nevertheless – people are saying that he bears responsibility for the deaths of those officers.  _That’s_ what I disagree with – not the pardon record etc. Christian charity is a wonderful thing, as long as it is tempered with wisdom about human nature.  Sue, I do hold Huckabee responsible for this.  Not solely responsible.  The parole board certainly had the responsibility to review the man's record.  Huckabee, prior to signing their recommendation, also had the responsibility to be aware of it; his aides certainly should also have reviewed the record and raised the alarm prior to him signing it. It's just another case in point of the people who are in charge being irresponsible on the job.  It's coming to be called "Asleep At The Wheel".  It's epidemic in Washington D.C.  It's everywhere.  People must be held accountable for the basics of their jobs. suek #4:
> as we’ve discussed here before, charity towards the transgressor is usually injustice towards the victim of the transgressor
> I felt his actions on illegals were unacceptable – and they were based on “Christian charity”.  In other words, his “Christian charity” tended to be of the wishy-washy type
> Nevertheless – people are saying that he bears responsibility for the deaths of those officers.  _That’s_ what I disagree with – not the pardon record etc.

Christian charity is a wonderful thing, as long as it is tempered with wisdom about human nature.  Sue, I do hold Huckabee responsible for this.  Not solely responsible.  The parole board certainly had the responsibility to review the man’s record.  Huckabee, prior to signing their recommendation, also had the responsibility to be aware of it; his aides certainly should also have reviewed the record and raised the alarm prior to him signing it.

It’s just another case in point of the people who are in charge being irresponsible on the job.  It’s coming to be called “Asleep At The Wheel”.  It’s epidemic in Washington D.C.  It’s everywhere.  People must be held accountable for the basics of their jobs.

]]> By: suek http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/11/29/be-it-ever-so-humble-theres-no-place-like-home/comment-page-1/#comment-83615 suek Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:23:42 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=9818#comment-83615 Y... I'm not defending Huckabee's pardon/commutation record.  From what I've heard, he attempted to apply "Christian charity and forgiveness", and as we've discussed here before, charity towards the transgressor is usually injustice towards the victim of the transgressor.  When he was running, I had a real problem with the focus of his positions on their Christianity, and the rightness of his positions _based_ on their Christianity.  I felt his actions on illegals were unacceptable - and they were based on "Christian charity".  In other words, his "Christian charity" tended to be of the wishy-washy type...we can't condemn anything as wrong because we can't judge the person stuff.  I also thought his move to Fox News was _very_ smart - it made his name known nationally, and familiarity with it took away the ridicule factor.  He also comes across as very likable.  I have no doubt his intention was to increase his chances in running for president again - and it was an excellent move, imo.   Nevertheless - people are saying that he bears responsibility for the deaths of those officers.  _That's_ what I disagree with - not the pardon record etc.   Y…
I’m not defending Huckabee’s pardon/commutation record.  From what I’ve heard, he attempted to apply “Christian charity and forgiveness”, and as we’ve discussed here before, charity towards the transgressor is usually injustice towards the victim of the transgressor.  When he was running, I had a real problem with the focus of his positions on their Christianity, and the rightness of his positions _based_ on their Christianity.  I felt his actions on illegals were unacceptable – and they were based on “Christian charity”.  In other words, his “Christian charity” tended to be of the wishy-washy type…we can’t condemn anything as wrong because we can’t judge the person stuff.  I also thought his move to Fox News was _very_ smart – it made his name known nationally, and familiarity with it took away the ridicule factor.  He also comes across as very likable.  I have no doubt his intention was to increase his chances in running for president again – and it was an excellent move, imo.
 
Nevertheless – people are saying that he bears responsibility for the deaths of those officers.  _That’s_ what I disagree with – not the pardon record etc.
 

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/11/29/be-it-ever-so-humble-theres-no-place-like-home/comment-page-1/#comment-83588 Ymarsakar Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:50:46 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=9818#comment-83588 There are other cases in Arkansas. Huckster has a rate of pardons, or commutations, in Arkansas greater than the previous 3 governors.   In a rape case, he cited DNA evidence, but the victim said DNA was not even a matter in the case. There are other cases in Arkansas. Huckster has a rate of pardons, or commutations, in Arkansas greater than the previous 3 governors.
 
In a rape case, he cited DNA evidence, but the victim said DNA was not even a matter in the case.

]]> By: suek http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/11/29/be-it-ever-so-humble-theres-no-place-like-home/comment-page-1/#comment-83582 suek Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:31:21 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=9818#comment-83582 RE: Huckabee and the killer...   In all fairness, it appears that as a young man, the killer was given a seriously disproportionate sentence for robbery and burglary - some 108 years!  He served 11 years, and on the basis of this, Huckabee gave him - not a pardon, but a commutation to something like 49 years, and as a result of this reduction in time  he became eligible for parole.  The parole board voted to give him parole, and Huckabee signed it. That all sounds like Huckabee should be off the hook, right?  Except that while he was in prison, he was a particularly aggressive prisoner, attacked other prisoners, and was even accused of rape.  All of which was in his record.  The parole board was unquestionably at fault in this, but all of this information was in the guy's prison record, and Huckabee was the final approver, so he bears the responsibility.  Granted he couldn't _see_ the future, but some things are more predictable than others, and the violence of this young man's prison record certainly didn't offer the prospect that he was ready to be released into the general society.   I don't know how much blame should be assigned Huckabee for the resulting deaths - apparently there was a bunch of stuff in Washington State that was equally incomprehensible - but I agree - he won't be a presidential candidate again.   I also agree - there's no place like home.  Back after a week in Texas...! RE: Huckabee and the killer…
 
In all fairness, it appears that as a young man, the killer was given a seriously disproportionate sentence for robbery and burglary – some 108 years!  He served 11 years, and on the basis of this, Huckabee gave him – not a pardon, but a commutation to something like 49 years, and as a result of this reduction in time  he became eligible for parole.  The parole board voted to give him parole, and Huckabee signed it.
That all sounds like Huckabee should be off the hook, right?  Except that while he was in prison, he was a particularly aggressive prisoner, attacked other prisoners, and was even accused of rape.  All of which was in his record.  The parole board was unquestionably at fault in this, but all of this information was in the guy’s prison record, and Huckabee was the final approver, so he bears the responsibility.  Granted he couldn’t _see_ the future, but some things are more predictable than others, and the violence of this young man’s prison record certainly didn’t offer the prospect that he was ready to be released into the general society.
 
I don’t know how much blame should be assigned Huckabee for the resulting deaths – apparently there was a bunch of stuff in Washington State that was equally incomprehensible – but I agree – he won’t be a presidential candidate again.
 
I also agree – there’s no place like home.  Back after a week in Texas…!

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/11/29/be-it-ever-so-humble-theres-no-place-like-home/comment-page-1/#comment-83569 Ymarsakar Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:22:54 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=9818#comment-83569 Huckster did accuse us all of being political opportunists by bringing up his record. Then again, I don't make it a habit to cause a problem by my actions, then take political advantage of it by comforting the widows. I'm interested in saving lives and being accountable. SOmething the Huckster likes to evade. Huckster did accuse us all of being political opportunists by bringing up his record. Then again, I don’t make it a habit to cause a problem by my actions, then take political advantage of it by comforting the widows. I’m interested in saving lives and being accountable. SOmething the Huckster likes to evade.

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