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	<title>Comments on: All the stuff I can pack into a single post &#8212; and weekend *UPDATED*</title>
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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;More than 150,000 men arrived after the surrender of Gen. Erwin Rommel&#039;s Afrika Korps in April 1943, followed by an average of 20,000 new POWs a month. From the Normandy invasion in June 1944 through December 30,000 prisoners a month arrived; for the last few months of the war 60,000 were arriving each month. When the war was over, there were 425,000 enemy prisoners in 511 main and branch camps throughout the United States.&quot;



&quot;Texas had approximately twice as many POW camps as any other state, first because of the available space, and second, curiously, because of the climate. The &lt;strong&gt;Geneva Convention of 1929 requires that prisoners of war be moved to a climate similar to that where they are captured&lt;/strong&gt;; apparently it was thought that the climate of Texas is similar to that of North Africa.&quot;



&lt;/em&gt;There is precedent for bring POW&#039;s here. But they were under the control of the military, and were here for the duration of the war. I also don&#039;t think the ACLU wielded the power they seem hold now. Also, most of the news media was in favor of the US winning that war.</description>
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<p>&#8220;Texas had approximately twice as many POW camps as any other state, first because of the available space, and second, curiously, because of the climate. The <strong>Geneva Convention of 1929 requires that prisoners of war be moved to a climate similar to that where they are captured</strong>; apparently it was thought that the climate of Texas is similar to that of North Africa.&#8221;</p>
<p></em>There is precedent for bring POW&#8217;s here. But they were under the control of the military, and were here for the duration of the war. I also don&#8217;t think the ACLU wielded the power they seem hold now. Also, most of the news media was in favor of the US winning that war.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;...will they say they were not “Mirandized”.&gt;&gt;
 
You betcha!  To say nothing about all testimony obtained by questioning being thrown out because it was obtained &quot;under duress&quot;...
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&#8230;will they say they were not “Mirandized”.&gt;&gt;<br />
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You betcha!  To say nothing about all testimony obtained by questioning being thrown out because it was obtained &#8220;under duress&#8221;&#8230;<br />
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		<title>By: SADIE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SADIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are they now undocumented combatants? GOOD ONE!
It raises another question, once they go in to court - will they say they were not &quot;Mirandized&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are they now undocumented combatants? GOOD ONE!<br />
It raises another question, once they go in to court &#8211; will they say they were not &#8220;Mirandized&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We coined the phrase, illegal combatants to describe their status.


Are they now undocumented combatants?</description>
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<p>Are they now undocumented combatants?</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ymar...
 
Very interesting...but you&#039;re studying the wrong group!  These prisoners are murderous barbarians, but they&#039;re also enemies - not criminals.  I think they don&#039;t have the same mental approach as criminals.  I think they act singly and communally - so Hogan&#039;s Heroes might be a better model.  That said - no doubt you&#039;ve pointed out weaknesses that exist in any &quot;system&quot; by the very fact that it _is_ a system.  I assume prison management is also aware of such problems and studies how to counter them.  I assume.  Not necessarily true I guess.
 
Is there a &quot;Prison Management&quot; major in some university somewhere?
 
Wonder how you get qualified for that lovely job...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymar&#8230;<br />
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Very interesting&#8230;but you&#8217;re studying the wrong group!  These prisoners are murderous barbarians, but they&#8217;re also enemies &#8211; not criminals.  I think they don&#8217;t have the same mental approach as criminals.  I think they act singly and communally &#8211; so Hogan&#8217;s Heroes might be a better model.  That said &#8211; no doubt you&#8217;ve pointed out weaknesses that exist in any &#8220;system&#8221; by the very fact that it _is_ a system.  I assume prison management is also aware of such problems and studies how to counter them.  I assume.  Not necessarily true I guess.<br />
 <br />
Is there a &#8220;Prison Management&#8221; major in some university somewhere?<br />
 <br />
Wonder how you get qualified for that lovely job&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things I was looking around back when I was doing some background research on criminal violence was documentaries and violent incidents at prisons.
 
Each prison is different, and states have often brought in private contractors to do the guarding to save money. At the same time, writing protest bills up about the Iraq war bidding going to haliburton, of course. This produces some interesting things.
 

For example, there is a set rhythmn to high security prisons, and clever criminals can take advantage of such, given that their freedom of movement is restricted. Since they know that, they find other ways to be on the active operant side of things, like making weapons and forcing the COs to search for them. Often they can produce a lockdown on demand simply by starting a fight and taking advantage of the set rhythmn and order of the &#039;book&#039;. This is analogous to terrorists using our laws against us, because it is so predictable. It is also analogous to how insurgencies are flexible but the occupation isn&#039;t, by dent of the difference in force. Small groups have less force and thus must use more intelligence and cleverness. Big forces don&#039;t have such need so don&#039;t train for such.
 
It was interesting to see the numerous fights for territory, status, and also the rage riots. Interestingly enough, there is a social dynamic but it&#039;s modified by the exact private institution, the state law, and the little cliches inside the prison. Sometimes they have race wars, for example, other times somebody starts a fight and everybody joins in for &#039;solidarity&#039; against COs.
 
Surprisingly, in one of the documented riots the COs said that they tried very hard to keep upright, otherwise they knew they were going to die if they fell to the floor. I saw a photo of the after-conflict in question, and there was no question that numerous abrasions, lacerations, head cuts, and bleeding was the result. But few if any fatality. The prisoners would, again I would note with interest, immediately stop fighting once a shot was fired, whether at the air or to kill didn&#039;t seem to matter. Once the gun came out, now they knew it was life or death.

What is strange is why they think it wasn&#039;t so before.
 
Prisoners are big on home made weapons. They try to study anatomy to make each blow count. Still, actual footage shows quite clearly that it takes a lot of work to kill a human being. Even with these homemade shivs.
 
None of it compares to what I&#039;ve been given access to. If you are trained exclusively in firearms, then you are disarmed should you be without it. If you are trained in stick or knife fighting, then you are disarmed should you be without your stick or knife.
 
One of the modern stories in America is the danger of getting sent to prison. Thus creating the belief that prison is there to protect society from the criminals, the dangerous people. Anything that happens in prison stays in prison, so to speak, not affecting the real world Not counting why good people should be less dangerous than evil people, in the world of objective martial fact, it is simply the public perception. Lock em up and forget the keys. The Left tries very hard to change this in their favor.

What I noticed about prison is that things are rather inefficient. Even with the best intent in the world, it takes a lot of tries to kill a selected target. TAnd while prisoners are very cunning in how they manipulate circumstances to favor them, few are cold, hard, killers of the serial killer level. Even with a maximum time slot to kill, they try and still fail to when the COs come in. Many need to be enraged or be given an excuse to use violence. Even if that excuse is something they tell themselves at night, in preparation to kill a target in the morning.
They are neurotic in the sense that their sense of self is bundled tightly around something called &#039;respect&#039;. Since they have little for themselves, they need it from everybody else. They believe the world owes them something. Like most corrupt and tyrannical nobles of human history, they believe the world owes them luxury and services, rather than the other way around. This gives them the excuse of abusing others, for one thing. Many, because they aren&#039;t happy, try to amuse themselves by making everybody else miserable. While this is uncomfortable in a civil society, it is downright dangerous when you meld it with pathologies such as anger management problems.

Most murderers kill because of emotion. Because they feel that they were wronged. Islam gives them a rational answer for why they were wronged, so to speak. A reason that they can feel comfort knowing other, more influential and power folk, also believe in.
 
A training methodology that focuses on being calm and assertive, rather than aggressive, is the anti thesis of the criminal and pathological mindset. As you can see in Obama, when questioned, he automatically talks about how Bush was wrong for being &#039;triumphant&#039;, as if Obama criticizing Bush defends Obama&#039;s tone at West Point. This is how these people think and feel. This is what they are. The reasoning is rather simple. They do these things because they are controlled by their emotions. They flare up in violence because they feel threatened. They attack others because they doubt themselves, they lack self-confidence, they know they are not worth anything. Obama knows he isn&#039;t a good and confident leader so he has to bash Bush to make himself feel better. The attacker is often perceived as the stronger, but that is only an illusion in the monkey dance. If you know the physiological triggers that must be overcome before violence can be done, then you can override them. Essentially, you can train a person to act the same way a serial killer acts, somebody that is a full sociopath, to kill without emotion, simply because they wished to. Not because they felt wronged. Not because they felt threatened. Not because they thought they were going to lose money, status, women, or what not. Only because they decided to. And you can train a person to have the same physiological triggers in the sense of how their mind thinks and how their body works.

People pump themselves up with alcohol, rage, or bitterness as a way to justify violence. To get them past that hurdle. But it is inefficient and not very predictable. Anger tears away the social inhibitions normal socialized human beings have against killing. Even semi-socialized barbarian cultures like prisons have some kind of bar against indiscriminate killing, if it threatens the survival of the group. Thus, before a violent conflict, there is always the lead up. Even if it is done at the dead of night, where no physical interactions play out. (Prisoners use signs and hand gestures to communicate in full lockdown silence). If a person is trained to go right to the doing, the killing, rather than the thinking about the killing and its consequences, that person will have a definitive advantage over somebody still gearing up, in their minds, the excuses needed to commit to violence. In military strategy parlance, it&#039;s getting inside your opponent&#039;s decision loop.
In a sense, criminals commit to violence by thinking about how they can benefit and how they can feel better about themselves. Warriors commit to violence by training beforehand, so that they show no hesitation in battle to kill anybody in the way,

Ironically, in an armed society, prisons are there more to protect the prisoners than the populace. Since any single criminal or even pack of criminals will start dying on the streets pretty soon should they be released. America is an interesting hybrid of a lot of systems, that one included.
 
Obama destroys people because they made him feel bad and insecure. So he unleashes the violence on them, and in Obama&#039;s eyes, it is just of him to do so cause those others said hurtful things about his ego.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things I was looking around back when I was doing some background research on criminal violence was documentaries and violent incidents at prisons.<br />
 <br />
Each prison is different, and states have often brought in private contractors to do the guarding to save money. At the same time, writing protest bills up about the Iraq war bidding going to haliburton, of course. This produces some interesting things.<br />
 </p>
<p>For example, there is a set rhythmn to high security prisons, and clever criminals can take advantage of such, given that their freedom of movement is restricted. Since they know that, they find other ways to be on the active operant side of things, like making weapons and forcing the COs to search for them. Often they can produce a lockdown on demand simply by starting a fight and taking advantage of the set rhythmn and order of the &#8216;book&#8217;. This is analogous to terrorists using our laws against us, because it is so predictable. It is also analogous to how insurgencies are flexible but the occupation isn&#8217;t, by dent of the difference in force. Small groups have less force and thus must use more intelligence and cleverness. Big forces don&#8217;t have such need so don&#8217;t train for such.<br />
 <br />
It was interesting to see the numerous fights for territory, status, and also the rage riots. Interestingly enough, there is a social dynamic but it&#8217;s modified by the exact private institution, the state law, and the little cliches inside the prison. Sometimes they have race wars, for example, other times somebody starts a fight and everybody joins in for &#8216;solidarity&#8217; against COs.<br />
 <br />
Surprisingly, in one of the documented riots the COs said that they tried very hard to keep upright, otherwise they knew they were going to die if they fell to the floor. I saw a photo of the after-conflict in question, and there was no question that numerous abrasions, lacerations, head cuts, and bleeding was the result. But few if any fatality. The prisoners would, again I would note with interest, immediately stop fighting once a shot was fired, whether at the air or to kill didn&#8217;t seem to matter. Once the gun came out, now they knew it was life or death.</p>
<p>What is strange is why they think it wasn&#8217;t so before.<br />
 <br />
Prisoners are big on home made weapons. They try to study anatomy to make each blow count. Still, actual footage shows quite clearly that it takes a lot of work to kill a human being. Even with these homemade shivs.<br />
 <br />
None of it compares to what I&#8217;ve been given access to. If you are trained exclusively in firearms, then you are disarmed should you be without it. If you are trained in stick or knife fighting, then you are disarmed should you be without your stick or knife.<br />
 <br />
One of the modern stories in America is the danger of getting sent to prison. Thus creating the belief that prison is there to protect society from the criminals, the dangerous people. Anything that happens in prison stays in prison, so to speak, not affecting the real world Not counting why good people should be less dangerous than evil people, in the world of objective martial fact, it is simply the public perception. Lock em up and forget the keys. The Left tries very hard to change this in their favor.</p>
<p>What I noticed about prison is that things are rather inefficient. Even with the best intent in the world, it takes a lot of tries to kill a selected target. TAnd while prisoners are very cunning in how they manipulate circumstances to favor them, few are cold, hard, killers of the serial killer level. Even with a maximum time slot to kill, they try and still fail to when the COs come in. Many need to be enraged or be given an excuse to use violence. Even if that excuse is something they tell themselves at night, in preparation to kill a target in the morning.<br />
They are neurotic in the sense that their sense of self is bundled tightly around something called &#8216;respect&#8217;. Since they have little for themselves, they need it from everybody else. They believe the world owes them something. Like most corrupt and tyrannical nobles of human history, they believe the world owes them luxury and services, rather than the other way around. This gives them the excuse of abusing others, for one thing. Many, because they aren&#8217;t happy, try to amuse themselves by making everybody else miserable. While this is uncomfortable in a civil society, it is downright dangerous when you meld it with pathologies such as anger management problems.</p>
<p>Most murderers kill because of emotion. Because they feel that they were wronged. Islam gives them a rational answer for why they were wronged, so to speak. A reason that they can feel comfort knowing other, more influential and power folk, also believe in.<br />
 <br />
A training methodology that focuses on being calm and assertive, rather than aggressive, is the anti thesis of the criminal and pathological mindset. As you can see in Obama, when questioned, he automatically talks about how Bush was wrong for being &#8216;triumphant&#8217;, as if Obama criticizing Bush defends Obama&#8217;s tone at West Point. This is how these people think and feel. This is what they are. The reasoning is rather simple. They do these things because they are controlled by their emotions. They flare up in violence because they feel threatened. They attack others because they doubt themselves, they lack self-confidence, they know they are not worth anything. Obama knows he isn&#8217;t a good and confident leader so he has to bash Bush to make himself feel better. The attacker is often perceived as the stronger, but that is only an illusion in the monkey dance. If you know the physiological triggers that must be overcome before violence can be done, then you can override them. Essentially, you can train a person to act the same way a serial killer acts, somebody that is a full sociopath, to kill without emotion, simply because they wished to. Not because they felt wronged. Not because they felt threatened. Not because they thought they were going to lose money, status, women, or what not. Only because they decided to. And you can train a person to have the same physiological triggers in the sense of how their mind thinks and how their body works.</p>
<p>People pump themselves up with alcohol, rage, or bitterness as a way to justify violence. To get them past that hurdle. But it is inefficient and not very predictable. Anger tears away the social inhibitions normal socialized human beings have against killing. Even semi-socialized barbarian cultures like prisons have some kind of bar against indiscriminate killing, if it threatens the survival of the group. Thus, before a violent conflict, there is always the lead up. Even if it is done at the dead of night, where no physical interactions play out. (Prisoners use signs and hand gestures to communicate in full lockdown silence). If a person is trained to go right to the doing, the killing, rather than the thinking about the killing and its consequences, that person will have a definitive advantage over somebody still gearing up, in their minds, the excuses needed to commit to violence. In military strategy parlance, it&#8217;s getting inside your opponent&#8217;s decision loop.<br />
In a sense, criminals commit to violence by thinking about how they can benefit and how they can feel better about themselves. Warriors commit to violence by training beforehand, so that they show no hesitation in battle to kill anybody in the way,</p>
<p>Ironically, in an armed society, prisons are there more to protect the prisoners than the populace. Since any single criminal or even pack of criminals will start dying on the streets pretty soon should they be released. America is an interesting hybrid of a lot of systems, that one included.<br />
 <br />
Obama destroys people because they made him feel bad and insecure. So he unleashes the violence on them, and in Obama&#8217;s eyes, it is just of him to do so cause those others said hurtful things about his ego.<br />
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		<title>By: rockdalian</title>
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		<dc:creator>rockdalian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Thomson Correctional Center is approximately 150 miles northwest of Chicago. The region needs the jobs this move will bring.
From the Trib: &quot;Illinois and local officials suggested the near-vacant Thomson prison, which was started in the 1990s and completed in 2001.&quot;
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/12/white-house-thomson-will-house-federal-inmates.html
One need not be prescient to know how this is going to turnout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Thomson Correctional Center is approximately 150 miles northwest of Chicago. The region needs the jobs this move will bring.<br />
From the Trib: &#8220;Illinois and local officials suggested the near-vacant Thomson prison, which was started in the 1990s and completed in 2001.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/12/white-house-thomson-will-house-federal-inmates.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/12/white-house-thomson-will-house-federal-inmates.html</a><br />
One need not be prescient to know how this is going to turnout.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Cirque du Soleil without captions in Montreal years ago and came away liking Barnum &amp;  Bailey/Ringling Bros even more.  But I am aware now that the Fruit of the Loom commercials have put a final nail in that coffin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Cirque du Soleil without captions in Montreal years ago and came away liking Barnum &amp;  Bailey/Ringling Bros even more.  But I am aware now that the Fruit of the Loom commercials have put a final nail in that coffin.</p>
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		<title>By: SADIE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SADIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Book, your weekend was just a continuation of Friday - Cirque du Soliel avec pluie.
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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
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		<description>BW, I had to rest after reading your excellent adventures. 


I usually have to spend a day or two just to get up nerve to drive the 4 miles and traverse the two stop lights to get to the Rack at my local Walmart! 



I remember going to a circus in Copenhagen that was quite good. I had only been exposed to the typical traveling circus that frequented small-town America-- you know, the ones that had two elephants and a horse. One of the many cultural deprivations of a rural community. 



As to our terrorist guests, I&#039;m with SueK-- it sounds pretty cruel to make anyone move to Illinois in the winter, especially given the tropical bungalows at Gitmo. Maybe Obama isn&#039;t as much against torture as we think. After all, he lived there for 20 years, so he can&#039;t claim he mis-remembered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BW, I had to rest after reading your excellent adventures. </p>
<p>I usually have to spend a day or two just to get up nerve to drive the 4 miles and traverse the two stop lights to get to the Rack at my local Walmart! </p>
<p>I remember going to a circus in Copenhagen that was quite good. I had only been exposed to the typical traveling circus that frequented small-town America&#8211; you know, the ones that had two elephants and a horse. One of the many cultural deprivations of a rural community. </p>
<p>As to our terrorist guests, I&#8217;m with SueK&#8211; it sounds pretty cruel to make anyone move to Illinois in the winter, especially given the tropical bungalows at Gitmo. Maybe Obama isn&#8217;t as much against torture as we think. After all, he lived there for 20 years, so he can&#8217;t claim he mis-remembered.</p>
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