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]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/12/21/the-perilous-state-of-religion-in-england/comment-page-1/#comment-84703 Ymarsakar Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:45:23 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10098#comment-84703 <B>It’s wrong but we get it if you break the rule.</b>     People aren't shop lifting food to feed their families. <B>It’s wrong but we get it if you break the rule.</b>
 
 
People aren’t shop lifting food to feed their families.

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/12/21/the-perilous-state-of-religion-in-england/comment-page-1/#comment-84702 Ymarsakar Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:42:44 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10098#comment-84702 <B>What this so-called bishop is advocating is the end of the rule of law, and its replacement by might makes right.</b>   At the end, we who focus on physical violence and its preparation will always have more might than they. <B>What this so-called bishop is advocating is the end of the rule of law, and its replacement by might makes right.</b>
 
At the end, we who focus on physical violence and its preparation will always have more might than they.

]]> By: excathedra http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/12/21/the-perilous-state-of-religion-in-england/comment-page-1/#comment-84689 excathedra Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:23:03 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10098#comment-84689 Dotty clerics in the Church of England are practically a sacred tradition, as that always semi-incoherent but once formidable institution implodes. Commenters on another site had good ideas: why don't the reverend's poor steal from the Church? Or why doesn't he rouse his congregation to help them? An idiot in a collar. And not rare.     Dotty clerics in the Church of England are practically a sacred tradition, as that always semi-incoherent but once formidable institution implodes.
Commenters on another site had good ideas: why don’t the reverend’s poor steal from the Church? Or why doesn’t he rouse his congregation to help them?
An idiot in a collar. And not rare.
 
 

]]> By: MacG http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/12/21/the-perilous-state-of-religion-in-england/comment-page-1/#comment-84676 MacG Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:41:37 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10098#comment-84676 Perhaps his frame of reference has to do with the Torah where it teaches (if I am not mistaken)the punishment/restitution is less  for a man who steals to feed his family than the guy who steals just because he is a thug.  There are degrees of punishment to meet the crime.  That said the quote does seem to give permssion of sorts like parents that say "Don't have sex before you get married but if you do, use a condom, we'll get them for you".  It's wrong but we get it if you break the rule. It's kind of a wink-wink nudge-nudge approach to morality. Perhaps his frame of reference has to do with the Torah where it teaches (if I am not mistaken)the punishment/restitution is less  for a man who steals to feed his family than the guy who steals just because he is a thug.  There are degrees of punishment to meet the crime.  That said the quote does seem to give permssion of sorts like parents that say “Don’t have sex before you get married but if you do, use a condom, we’ll get them for you”.  It’s wrong but we get it if you break the rule. It’s kind of a wink-wink nudge-nudge approach to morality.

]]> By: Gringo http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/12/21/the-perilous-state-of-religion-in-england/comment-page-1/#comment-84661 Gringo Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:06:12 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10098#comment-84661 Since the Anglican priest justifies stealing, thieves should concentrate on taking goods and money from Anglican priests and churches. I wonder what the priest's reaction would be after he got mugged a few times.  I don't know if the UK  has the old saw we have in the US: a conservative is a liberals who has been mugged. Since the Anglican priest justifies stealing, thieves should concentrate on taking goods and money from Anglican priests and churches. I wonder what the priest’s reaction would be after he got mugged a few times.  I don’t know if the UK  has the old saw we have in the US: a conservative is a liberals who has been mugged.

]]> By: SADIE http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/12/21/the-perilous-state-of-religion-in-england/comment-page-1/#comment-84657 SADIE Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:48:15 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10098#comment-84657 Why not throw in a <em>Merry Christmas</em> while you lifting a wallet, just to show one's holiday spirit. Why not throw in a Merry Christmas while you lifting a wallet, just to show one’s holiday spirit.

]]> By: Mike Devx http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/12/21/the-perilous-state-of-religion-in-england/comment-page-1/#comment-84656 Mike Devx Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:46:42 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10098#comment-84656 Can you imagine this bishop as Jesus, teaching the parable of the coins?  The father gave his three sons several talents (coins), and told them to return in a year.  One son buried them, and returned with them to his father, who told him he'd wasted opportunity and had done poorly.  Another son invested wisely and sold and traded, and returned three-fold what has father had given them, and he was blessed.   But according to the Bishop, far more blessed was the third son, who returned with a wagonful of talents.  "Father, for three months I waylaid mothers, grandmothers, boys and little girls hurrying to the shops, and took from them their talents, and conserved them.  Then I started a group of like-minded young "entrepreneurs", taking part in what Obama would call "investing", and we spread out across the city and took all the talents we could.  And his Father the Bishop blessed him most of all, saying not only did you thrive the most, my son, but you also sent mothers, grandmothers, boys and little girls to the hospital with blackened eyes, split lips, broken skulls and shattered kneecaps, to participate in government mandated universal health care.  Truly you are most blessed of all.   Can you imagine this bishop as Jesus, teaching the parable of the coins?  The father gave his three sons several talents (coins), and told them to return in a year.  One son buried them, and returned with them to his father, who told him he’d wasted opportunity and had done poorly.  Another son invested wisely and sold and traded, and returned three-fold what has father had given them, and he was blessed.
 
But according to the Bishop, far more blessed was the third son, who returned with a wagonful of talents.  ”Father, for three months I waylaid mothers, grandmothers, boys and little girls hurrying to the shops, and took from them their talents, and conserved them.  Then I started a group of like-minded young “entrepreneurs”, taking part in what Obama would call “investing”, and we spread out across the city and took all the talents we could.  And his Father the Bishop blessed him most of all, saying not only did you thrive the most, my son, but you also sent mothers, grandmothers, boys and little girls to the hospital with blackened eyes, split lips, broken skulls and shattered kneecaps, to participate in government mandated universal health care.  Truly you are most blessed of all.
 

]]> By: Mike Devx http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/12/21/the-perilous-state-of-religion-in-england/comment-page-1/#comment-84655 Mike Devx Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:38:20 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10098#comment-84655 Book says of the Anglican priest who sermonized, "It's OK to shoplift because God loves you if you're poor", > He is practicing redistribution of wealth. I have to disagree, Book: It is *worse* than redistribution of wealth. There's a reason no one advocates vigiliantism, posses, and mob hangings, as a substitute for police action and courts of law.   No matter how much we may despise those in power, and detest the laws they pass, and hunger for a change of the party in power, we all tend to respect the rule of law.   The rule of law is clear on thievery as well: You steal, you get caught, you pay the price.  What this so-called bishop is advocating is the end of the rule of law, and its replacement by might makes right. One could say that being poor elevates one to the state of sacredness, and that the act of shoplifting becomes civil disobedience.  But every serious advocate of civil disobedience recognizes that PART of civil disobedience is being arrested and paying the price for the civil disobedience.  If the penalty for shoplifting *already* is arrest and a relatively minor punishment, then how can it possibly be framed as civil disobedience?  It cannot. If shoplifting is OK, then so is any robbery.  I'll take your wallet, thank you very much.  And that's a  nice watch you have, why, thank you very much!  Think nothing of it.  Your wife has very nice earrings, too, and my lady love will enjoy them quite a lot.  Thank you, thank you. Book says of the Anglican priest who sermonized, “It’s OK to shoplift because God loves you if you’re poor”,
> He is practicing redistribution of wealth.

I have to disagree, Book: It is *worse* than redistribution of wealth.

There’s a reason no one advocates vigiliantism, posses, and mob hangings, as a substitute for police action and courts of law.   No matter how much we may despise those in power, and detest the laws they pass, and hunger for a change of the party in power, we all tend to respect the rule of law.   The rule of law is clear on thievery as well: You steal, you get caught, you pay the price.  What this so-called bishop is advocating is the end of the rule of law, and its replacement by might makes right.

One could say that being poor elevates one to the state of sacredness, and that the act of shoplifting becomes civil disobedience.  But every serious advocate of civil disobedience recognizes that PART of civil disobedience is being arrested and paying the price for the civil disobedience.  If the penalty for shoplifting *already* is arrest and a relatively minor punishment, then how can it possibly be framed as civil disobedience?  It cannot.

If shoplifting is OK, then so is any robbery.  I’ll take your wallet, thank you very much.  And that’s a  nice watch you have, why, thank you very much!  Think nothing of it.  Your wife has very nice earrings, too, and my lady love will enjoy them quite a lot.  Thank you, thank you.

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/12/21/the-perilous-state-of-religion-in-england/comment-page-1/#comment-84652 Ymarsakar Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:39:39 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10098#comment-84652 I forward the proposal that Congress can only set the maximum half decade budget for any government service, but the fund for that service shall only come from tax paying voters that have explicitly devoted their taxes to the preferred government service of their choice: whether that be national health care or military defense.   That way the Left can redistribute money all they want. They can distribute their own to the nation. I forward the proposal that Congress can only set the maximum half decade budget for any government service, but the fund for that service shall only come from tax paying voters that have explicitly devoted their taxes to the preferred government service of their choice: whether that be national health care or military defense.
 
That way the Left can redistribute money all they want. They can distribute their own to the nation.

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