Comments on: The European character, Obama’s disinterest in Europe, and the Euro’s possible collapse http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/09/the-european-character-obamas-disinterest-in-europe-and-the-euros-possible-collapse/ Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:48:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: suek http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/09/the-european-character-obamas-disinterest-in-europe-and-the-euros-possible-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-90414 suek Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:53:13 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10816#comment-90414 I did some searching on Shaw and "Genuine Islam" and came up with almost 100% islamic sites.  On Ask.com, someone commented that they doubted it was real, as it was not available anywhere at any booksellers.  The first response said it could be found in the NYC library, and gave a catalog number.  If you happen to know anyone who is in the neighborhood...!!   Wasn't Shaw homosexual?  perhaps he wasn't aware that he would have been a dead man in an islamic society.  That is, assuming his view of islam was actually favorable... I did some searching on Shaw and “Genuine Islam” and came up with almost 100% islamic sites.  On Ask.com, someone commented that they doubted it was real, as it was not available anywhere at any booksellers.  The first response said it could be found in the NYC library, and gave a catalog number.  If you happen to know anyone who is in the neighborhood…!!
 
Wasn’t Shaw homosexual?  perhaps he wasn’t aware that he would have been a dead man in an islamic society.  That is, assuming his view of islam was actually favorable…

]]> By: BrianE http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/09/the-european-character-obamas-disinterest-in-europe-and-the-euros-possible-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-90410 BrianE Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:23:31 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10816#comment-90410 <em>"2 famous quotes from George Bernard Shaw, Irish playwright and winner of the Nobel price for Literature, about the Master-Prophet Muhammad (saw): George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950), Irish writer, playwright and winner of the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1925 said: "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." (G.B. Shaw, The Genuine Islam, Vol.1, NO. 81936) ---- Europe is beginning to be enamored of the creed of Muhammad. In the next century I may go still further in recognizing the utility of that creed in solving its problems, and it is in this sense that you must understand my prediction. (A collection of writings of some of the Eminent Scholars' p.77, by the Working Muslim Mission, 1993 edition)"</em> <em></em> I haven't verified these quotes, and are represented as Shaw quotes by a Muslim. Shaw, hostile to religion, recognized the political philosophy of Islam would make a dandy vehicle to advance his twisted agenda. “2 famous quotes from George Bernard Shaw, Irish playwright and winner of the Nobel price for Literature, about the Master-Prophet Muhammad (saw):

George Bernard Shaw
(1856 – 1950), Irish writer, playwright and winner of the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1925 said:

“I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him – the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity.

I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.”

(G.B. Shaw, The Genuine Islam, Vol.1, NO. 81936)

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Europe is beginning to be enamored of the creed of Muhammad. In the next century I may go still further in recognizing the utility of that creed in solving its problems, and it is in this sense that you must understand my prediction.

(A collection of writings of some of the Eminent Scholars’ p.77, by the Working Muslim Mission, 1993 edition)”

I haven’t verified these quotes, and are represented as Shaw quotes by a Muslim. Shaw, hostile to religion, recognized the political philosophy of Islam would make a dandy vehicle to advance his twisted agenda.

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/09/the-european-character-obamas-disinterest-in-europe-and-the-euros-possible-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-90406 Ymarsakar Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:46:45 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10816#comment-90406 The world would be a better place if the US went expansionist and annexed various places like Haiti, Canada, Mexico, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.   It's not like it would cost more than what it costs the US now a days. The world would be a better place if the US went expansionist and annexed various places like Haiti, Canada, Mexico, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
 
It’s not like it would cost more than what it costs the US now a days.

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/09/the-european-character-obamas-disinterest-in-europe-and-the-euros-possible-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-90379 Ymarsakar Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:37:00 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10816#comment-90379 Mike, they didn't keep up their end of the bargain. We did.   That's not a Devil's bargain. That's parasitism. Mike, they didn’t keep up their end of the bargain. We did.
 
That’s not a Devil’s bargain. That’s parasitism.

]]> By: Charles Martel http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/09/the-european-character-obamas-disinterest-in-europe-and-the-euros-possible-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-90332 Charles Martel Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:01:55 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10816#comment-90332 Somebody said that as far as hegemons go, the United States of America has been the oddest, most benevolent of them in history. After rescuing Europe from Hitler and, later, communism, the U.S. deliberately set about creating a peaceful, democratic economic rival. It would have been as though Rome had not only rebuilt Carthage after defeating her, but agreed to protect her as well against all current and future enemies. The problem is that we did it for the Europeans, history's most prolific producers and dispensers of industrial-strength vileness: Marxism, fascism, anti-Semitism, and a deadening of the soul and joy so deep that they cannot even be stirred to have children. Talk about pearls before swine. I'm with jj on this: let the insufferable bastards do what they do so well, which is to piss away the greatest patrimony in history. I'll help SADIE hang the Mona Lisa on her living room wall, and we can all sip espressos sitting dockside looking for glimpses of rescued European art as workers unload it onto our shores. Somebody said that as far as hegemons go, the United States of America has been the oddest, most benevolent of them in history. After rescuing Europe from Hitler and, later, communism, the U.S. deliberately set about creating a peaceful, democratic economic rival. It would have been as though Rome had not only rebuilt Carthage after defeating her, but agreed to protect her as well against all current and future enemies.

The problem is that we did it for the Europeans, history’s most prolific producers and dispensers of industrial-strength vileness: Marxism, fascism, anti-Semitism, and a deadening of the soul and joy so deep that they cannot even be stirred to have children.

Talk about pearls before swine. I’m with jj on this: let the insufferable bastards do what they do so well, which is to piss away the greatest patrimony in history. I’ll help SADIE hang the Mona Lisa on her living room wall, and we can all sip espressos sitting dockside looking for glimpses of rescued European art as workers unload it onto our shores.

]]> By: SADIE http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/09/the-european-character-obamas-disinterest-in-europe-and-the-euros-possible-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-90326 SADIE Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:31:32 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10816#comment-90326 jj's words have been marinating in my brain all day and while I understand that the devil's bargain basement price was in exchange for keeping an American presence in Europe to influence political decisions and whatever perks accompany such foreign investments - it has long ago ceased to provide a measurable dividend. While Europe has not gone up in flames post WWII (actually, it did in the former Czech Republic) it has instead invited the fuel for it's demise - it's so very 'Vichy' of them. Clearly, they have lived on the dole via American dollars and America became Europe's (nanny states) enabler. Time to cut the apron strings and take away the 'matches'.   jj’s words have been marinating in my brain all day and while I understand that the devil’s bargain basement price was in exchange for keeping an American presence in Europe to influence political decisions and whatever perks accompany such foreign investments – it has long ago ceased to provide a measurable dividend.
While Europe has not gone up in flames post WWII (actually, it did in the former Czech Republic) it has instead invited the fuel for it’s demise – it’s so very ‘Vichy’ of them. Clearly, they have lived on the dole via American dollars and America became Europe’s (nanny states) enabler. Time to cut the apron strings and take away the ‘matches’.
 

]]> By: Mike Devx http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/09/the-european-character-obamas-disinterest-in-europe-and-the-euros-possible-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-90320 Mike Devx Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:58:14 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10816#comment-90320 jj said: <em>> </em><em>Followed by 50 years of protecting them all.  Idiots who don’t know any history ask how come Europe has had “free” (yeah, right) health care all these years when America doesn’t may want to take into account that no country in Europe has had to have an army, navy, or air force to protect themselves since 1945 – America provided it.   In essence, America has been paying for the Dutch and Swedish health care systems, by allowing them not to have a line for military expenses in their budgets – for generations!</em> I keep conveniently forgetting this fact that jj points out.   We are culpable in Europe's demise, because we struck a devil's bargain with them.  We would provide all  - or most - of their military needs, so that they need never start another World War among themselves. And thus they've spent all that additional money, that under any normal circumstances would have gone to the military and national security, on social programs.  And even with that boon, their social programs have them teetering on the very brink of economic collapse and disaster. Perhaps a country's soul can be lost, when its people have no responsibility for protecting their own identity, their sovereignty, their borders.  Perhaps we should not have struck that devil's bargain.  Perhaps we should never do such a thing, ever again. jj said:
> Followed by 50 years of protecting them all.  Idiots who don’t know any history ask how come Europe has had “free” (yeah, right) health care all these years when America doesn’t may want to take into account that no country in Europe has had to have an army, navy, or air force to protect themselves since 1945 – America provided it.   In essence, America has been paying for the Dutch and Swedish health care systems, by allowing them not to have a line for military expenses in their budgets – for generations!

I keep conveniently forgetting this fact that jj points out.   We are culpable in Europe’s demise, because we struck a devil’s bargain with them.  We would provide all  - or most – of their military needs, so that they need never start another World War among themselves.

And thus they’ve spent all that additional money, that under any normal circumstances would have gone to the military and national security, on social programs.  And even with that boon, their social programs have them teetering on the very brink of economic collapse and disaster.

Perhaps a country’s soul can be lost, when its people have no responsibility for protecting their own identity, their sovereignty, their borders.  Perhaps we should not have struck that devil’s bargain.  Perhaps we should never do such a thing, ever again.

]]> By: SADIE http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/09/the-european-character-obamas-disinterest-in-europe-and-the-euros-possible-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-90315 SADIE Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:50:22 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10816#comment-90315 The Mona Lisa would look simply divine above my living room sofa - let me know, when I should begin measuring. The Mona Lisa would look simply divine above my living room sofa – let me know, when I should begin measuring.

]]> By: suek http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/09/the-european-character-obamas-disinterest-in-europe-and-the-euros-possible-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-90310 suek Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:26:13 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10816#comment-90310 Heh...Charles...   I vote for New Orleans to become the new Venice...! Heh…Charles…
 
I vote for New Orleans to become the new Venice…!

]]> By: Charles Martel http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/09/the-european-character-obamas-disinterest-in-europe-and-the-euros-possible-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-90304 Charles Martel Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:54:47 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10816#comment-90304 If Europe were to go Muslim, I have no doubt that the continent's splendors would be defaced, vandalized or destroyed by Allah's semi-civilized minions. So, why not pull a William Randolph Hearst and start carting all of Europe's art over to America for safekeeping? There's so much art there that we could install a pigeon-painted piazza and a coupla swell nekkid Renaissance statues in every U.S. city of more than 50,000 people. Heck, we could reassemble Eyetalian hill towns and invite our liberal friends to go live in them because they are "colorful." (We wouldn't let our friends know until they'd signed an unbreakable contract that the colorful Eyetalian houses don't have modern plumbing or appliances, and that there are no supermarkets nearby. But just to show that we're compassionate, we could arrange to drop off shipments of corn cobs every week or so at the town gates. I'd love to watch that free-for-all!) If Europe were to go Muslim, I have no doubt that the continent’s splendors would be defaced, vandalized or destroyed by Allah’s semi-civilized minions. So, why not pull a William Randolph Hearst and start carting all of Europe’s art over to America for safekeeping? There’s so much art there that we could install a pigeon-painted piazza and a coupla swell nekkid Renaissance statues in every U.S. city of more than 50,000 people.

Heck, we could reassemble Eyetalian hill towns and invite our liberal friends to go live in them because they are “colorful.” (We wouldn’t let our friends know until they’d signed an unbreakable contract that the colorful Eyetalian houses don’t have modern plumbing or appliances, and that there are no supermarkets nearby. But just to show that we’re compassionate, we could arrange to drop off shipments of corn cobs every week or so at the town gates. I’d love to watch that free-for-all!)

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