Comments on: Jon Stewart: genuinely ignorant or just hiding the ball when it comes to socialism http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-genuinely-ignorant-or-just-hiding-the-ball/ Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:19:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rhymes With Right http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-genuinely-ignorant-or-just-hiding-the-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-92068 Rhymes With Right Mon, 01 Mar 2010 11:07:41 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10913#comment-92068 <strong>Watcher's Council Results...</strong> There were some great entries in the competition this week, making it really tough for me to make my selections. Here are the results of this wee's votes. Winning Council Submissions First place with 2 points! – Soccer Dad - Cry havoc and let slip the... Watcher’s Council Results…

There were some great entries in the competition this week, making it really tough for me to make my selections. Here are the results of this wee’s votes. Winning Council Submissions First place with 2 points! – Soccer Dad – Cry havoc and let slip the…

]]> By: Watcher of Weasels » Whispers That Expose Liberal Weirding http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-genuinely-ignorant-or-just-hiding-the-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-91887 Watcher of Weasels » Whispers That Expose Liberal Weirding Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:15:40 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10913#comment-91887 [...] Fourth place with 1 1/3 points – (T*) – Bookworm Room - Jon Stewart: genuinely ignorant or just hiding the ball when it comes to socialism [...] [...] Fourth place with 1 1/3 points – (T*) – Bookworm Room – Jon Stewart: genuinely ignorant or just hiding the ball when it comes to socialism [...]

]]> By: Watcher of Weasels » When Will John McCain Stop Getting In The Way of Conservative Momentum? http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-genuinely-ignorant-or-just-hiding-the-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-91718 Watcher of Weasels » When Will John McCain Stop Getting In The Way of Conservative Momentum? Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:01:51 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10913#comment-91718 [...] American Digest - Jon Stewart: genuinely ignorant or just hiding the ball when it comes to socialism [...] [...] American Digest – Jon Stewart: genuinely ignorant or just hiding the ball when it comes to socialism [...]

]]> By: Mike Devx http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-genuinely-ignorant-or-just-hiding-the-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-91677 Mike Devx Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:17:32 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10913#comment-91677 Gringo #5, > <em>Given the entrepreneurial bent of  the Indians, there is no telling where India would be today if  the License Raj had not been created.</em> <em> </em> Gringo, that's another brilliant example we can use in discussions with family, friends, neighbors in 2010 and 2012, about government interference and too much regulation and of the wrong kind.  And we can bring up Governor Bradford's diary of the early Pilgrim socialist experiment that was failing, leaving them destitute and starving, and the subsequent return to family farm ownership, prosperity and the first Thanksgiving.   Strangulation by regulation can happen here; we Americans can suffer and stagnate and wither.  It <strong>is</strong> happening here. Gringo #5,
> Given the entrepreneurial bent of  the Indians, there is no telling where India would be today if  the License Raj had not been created.


Gringo, that’s another brilliant example we can use in discussions with family, friends, neighbors in 2010 and 2012, about government interference and too much regulation and of the wrong kind.  And we can bring up Governor Bradford’s diary of the early Pilgrim socialist experiment that was failing, leaving them destitute and starving, and the subsequent return to family farm ownership, prosperity and the first Thanksgiving.   Strangulation by regulation can happen here; we Americans can suffer and stagnate and wither.  It is happening here.

]]> By: Gringo http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-genuinely-ignorant-or-just-hiding-the-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-91650 Gringo Wed, 24 Feb 2010 01:32:40 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10913#comment-91650 As Jon Stewart is a comedian, I will vote for ignorant, though he  often seems more knowledgeable than many politicians. Here is a further point about Fabian Socialism.  Jawaharlal Nehru, the first Prime Minister of independent India, was  marinated in the flavors of Fabian Socialism at Cambridge. In the spirit of Fabian Socialism, he created the License Raj to ensure that India had a planned economy, a "mixed economy" with substantial government ownership. Under the License Raj, private companies had to request permission of dozens of  government agencies before they could make the most trivial move.  Government fiat and not market demand often determined production. The License Raj also greatly  restricted direct foreign investment.   The result was 4 decades of  economic stagnation, which did not get turned around until Rajiv Gandhi, Nehru's grandson,  began dismantling the License Raj in the mid 1980s.  Given the entrepreneurial bent of  the Indians, there is no telling where India would be today if  the License Raj had not been created.   The python of government regulation can strangle economic growth not just in India, but in any country where it dominates the landscape. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/License_Raj   As Jon Stewart is a comedian, I will vote for ignorant, though he  often seems more knowledgeable than many politicians.
Here is a further point about Fabian Socialism.  Jawaharlal Nehru, the first Prime Minister of independent India, was  marinated in the flavors of Fabian Socialism at Cambridge. In the spirit of Fabian Socialism, he created the License Raj to ensure that India had a planned economy, a “mixed economy” with substantial government ownership. Under the License Raj, private companies had to request permission of dozens of  government agencies before they could make the most trivial move.  Government fiat and not market demand often determined production. The License Raj also greatly  restricted direct foreign investment.
 
The result was 4 decades of  economic stagnation, which did not get turned around until Rajiv Gandhi, Nehru’s grandson,  began dismantling the License Raj in the mid 1980s.  Given the entrepreneurial bent of  the Indians, there is no telling where India would be today if  the License Raj had not been created.
 
The python of government regulation can strangle economic growth not just in India, but in any country where it dominates the landscape.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/License_Raj
 

]]> By: SADIE http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-genuinely-ignorant-or-just-hiding-the-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-91619 SADIE Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:52:48 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10913#comment-91619 It's not the labels - it's the mislabeling by omission or submission. In America, this “delicate,” incremental slide to the Left had a friendly, middle-class intellectual gloss.  In other countries, that same driving need to take away individual freedom and invest all power in government was less lovely (Germany, Russia, North Korea, China, etc.). Well put and I'll frame it in the form of a question: What is the difference between America and the usual suspects: A. The usual suspects rape you and America puts on mood music, offers you a glass of wine while raping you. It’s not the labels – it’s the mislabeling by omission or submission.
In America, this “delicate,” incremental slide to the Left had a friendly, middle-class intellectual gloss.  In other countries, that same driving need to take away individual freedom and invest all power in government was less lovely (Germany, Russia, North Korea, China, etc.).
Well put and I’ll frame it in the form of a question:
What is the difference between America and the usual suspects:
A. The usual suspects rape you and America puts on mood music, offers you a glass of wine while raping you.

]]> By: suek http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-genuinely-ignorant-or-just-hiding-the-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-91617 suek Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:46:57 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10913#comment-91617 >>The movie, though charming, bears only the most superficial relationship to the book.>>   That's not unusual, I guess.  But I had no idea that it was in the Progressive column.   Actually, I'm drawn to the eugenics philosophy.  The problem though, is that first you have to have an image of the perfect result.  We don't have one for humans, and because we don't know the future, are unlikely to ever have one.  And of course, even if you _did_ have an image, there are all those other messy details...like life and reality.  And you really do have to throw the occasional evil genius into the mix.  So...for me it falls into the category of "just because you _can_ , doesn't mean you _should_". >>The movie, though charming, bears only the most superficial relationship to the book.>>
 
That’s not unusual, I guess.  But I had no idea that it was in the Progressive column.
 
Actually, I’m drawn to the eugenics philosophy.  The problem though, is that first you have to have an image of the perfect result.  We don’t have one for humans, and because we don’t know the future, are unlikely to ever have one.  And of course, even if you _did_ have an image, there are all those other messy details…like life and reality.  And you really do have to throw the occasional evil genius into the mix.  So…for me it falls into the category of “just because you _can_ , doesn’t mean you _should_”.

]]> By: Bookworm http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-genuinely-ignorant-or-just-hiding-the-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-91613 Bookworm Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:17:30 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10913#comment-91613 <p>The movie, though charming, bears only the most superficial relationship to the book.  The book is even more charming than the movie but, reading it as an adult, I'm very aware of the Progressive politics that animate it.  But the real Progressive politics are in Dear Enemy, which is pretty much a eugenics tract.  Even when I first read the book, back when I was 20, I found the subject matter off-putting -- and that was despite it's being neatly wrapped in Jean Webster's warm and humorous prose.</p> The movie, though charming, bears only the most superficial relationship to the book.  The book is even more charming than the movie but, reading it as an adult, I’m very aware of the Progressive politics that animate it.  But the real Progressive politics are in Dear Enemy, which is pretty much a eugenics tract.  Even when I first read the book, back when I was 20, I found the subject matter off-putting — and that was despite it’s being neatly wrapped in Jean Webster’s warm and humorous prose.

]]> By: suek http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-genuinely-ignorant-or-just-hiding-the-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-91612 suek Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:14:02 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=10913#comment-91612 What you describe as "Daddy Long-Legs" the book sounds _nothing_ like what I remember as "Daddy Long-Legs" the movie, which starred Leslie caron and Fred Astaire. <strong>http://tinyurl.com/yzcbzru</strong>   Guess I need  to add another book to my list... What you describe as “Daddy Long-Legs” the book sounds _nothing_ like what I remember as “Daddy Long-Legs” the movie, which starred Leslie caron and Fred Astaire.
http://tinyurl.com/yzcbzru
 
Guess I need  to add another book to my list…

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