End of the world as we know it Open Thread

I indulged myself today by staying assiduously away from the computer.  If there was going to be a train crash, I didn’t want to see it happen.  What’s really irksome isn’t that Stupak is the usual Demo ho (pardon my language), but that he was willing to sell his soul for the political equivalent of Monopoly money.  Here’s Andrew MacCarthy on just how bad Stupak’s deal is:

But now Democrats are going to abide not a mere signing statement but an executive order that purports to have the effect of legislation — in fact, has the effect of nullifying legislation that Congress is simultaneously enacting?

The Susan B. Anthony List observation that EOs can be rescinded at the president’s whim is of course true. This particuar EO is also a nullity — presidents cannot enact laws, the Supreme Court has said they cannot impound funds that Congress allocates, and (as a friend points out) the line-item veto has been held unconstitutional, so they can’t use executive orders to strike provisions in a bill. So this anti-abortion EO is blatant chicanery: if the pro-lifers purport to be satisfied by it, they are participating in a transparent fraud and selling out the pro-life cause.

But even if all that weren’t true, how do we go from congressional Democrats claiming that signing statements were a shredding of the Constitution to congressional Democrats acquiescing in a claim that the president can enact or cancel out statutory law by diktat?

One begins to suspect that there’s little difference between this Bart and this Bart when it comes to either intelligence or decency.

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  • SADIE

    The exit poll here: (November 4, 2008)
     
    Voters in the 18 to 24 age group broke 68 percent for Obama to 30 percent for John McCain, according to the exit polling. Those in the 25 to 29 age bracket went 69 percent to 29 percent in Obama’s favor.
    The only age group where McCain prevailed was 65 and over, and that by just a 10-percentage-point margin, 54 percent to 44 percent, the exit polls showed.
    High income voters — those who said they make at least $100,000 a year — went in Obama’s favor, 52 percent to 47 percent.

    The rest here:
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/

    The irony here:
     
    The young voters will bear the financial burden with  mediocre health care. There is already a projected shortfall of  family physicians in the next 10 years.

    The adage here:
     
    Be careful what you wish (vote) for, you may get it.
     
     

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/ Ymarsakar

    Demon cRats are Demon Rats. What is the surprise about.

  • Charles Martel

    I sent an e-mail to Bart Stupak telling him that even though I reside 2,000 miles west of his district, I’m sending money to support Dan Benishek for Congress.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/ Ymarsakar

    It’s always ironic that for the Left’s constant complaint about the money being wasted on foreign wars, they waste 10x as much on political campaigns here at home.
     
    Human self-interest needs no self-rationalization. It just is.
     
    This is the end of the beginning.

  • SADIE

    Charles, you’re always so thoughtful. ; )
    Did you spell his name correctly –  Schtupak

  • Mike Devx

    Question: What is the difference between a pro-life Democrat and a pro-life Republican?
    Answer: One of them means it.
     

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/ Ymarsakar

    The Democrat permanent status quo of absolute power is a good that justifies any temporary sacrifice of human rights or rule of law components.
     
    There is no horror strong enough that can surpass the good of a permanent improvement in humanity.
     
    Obama will transform America. He’ll make you get off your couches, leave your uninvolved lives, and work. Notice that MIchelle never answered the question of ‘whom you will be working for’.
     
    As expected of typical humans, which includes typical white and black volks, most will go into denial while a specific experiment few will undergo hysteria in order for nature to figure out which set of genetic combinations will result in the best immediate behavioral action to further species survival.
     
    The human race is really something. If it wasn’t for the fact that the human brain is the most potent arsenal of mass destruction this planet has ever developed, we could never possibly effect into reality the controls necessary for this species called humanity.
     
    We’ll need a lot of firepower to eradicate the incompetent, the corrupt, and the useful clowns. This insurgency must be crushed once and for all. No matter whether we are fighting the insurgency when they are out of power or when they are in power. It is not impossible. Iraq has already underscored the success rates in a more horrible situation than the US has yet to devolve to.
     
    People used to say that they were harmless, that free speech and peace were worth more than security and human liberty. How’s the free speech been working out for ya. There’s no free speech when the government terminates your life or makes you a cripple. Something people forgot to ask about when they were in primary indoctrination camp, aka public schools.
     

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/ Ymarsakar

    This enemy you cannot defeat. You can only push it back into the deepest bottom of the sea and hope the next generation watches from the beach the incoming tide.
     
     
     
    It is quite amusing and interesting the asymmetrical tones of this political conflict. The Democrats use people like Kerry and Murtha because their war efforts make it hard for Republicans to criticize them. One of the reasons why Democrats nominated Kerry, cause they thought he’d win given the Republicans support for the military. Why wouldn’t Republicans and Independent Americans vote for Kerry?

    There’s two sides to this issue, and perhaps even more, as with all asymmetrical conflicts. The Democrats don’t appreciate military service as a virtue in itself, seeing it for its political benefits. The Republicans and mainstream America truly values the armed forces, making it a political hot potato, everyone wants it so they’re all fighting over it and getting burned in the process.

    A very insightful look into how having obvious strengths and strong points makes you vulnerable to enemy attack and infiltration. once the enemy knows your weak points, he can know where to attack, and where to avoid.

    But the Democrat’s plan didn’t quite work. Maybe because they didn’t realize that the American people value the military and military service not because it is “military and war like” but because it serves the purpose of protecting the US Constitution and the American people. Why does that make a difference? Because, if “war heroes” like Kerry or Murtha ever acted to harm the US Constitution or the American people, their military service is not going to prevent people from acting against them. This is the difference of swearing allegiance to the government of the United States and the President of the US, to swearing an allegiance to the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign or <I>domestic</i>.

    From what I’ve witnessed, Americans don’t tend to put the military upon a pedestal, appreciating its existence and not its purpose. It is a bad analysis of Americans, when the Democrats conclude that military service will defacto make them right, presumably because people don’t know better than to put their faith in the military.

    This kind of exploitation is troublesome, but it is also ineffective. Don’t expect loyalty from people that you mistrust and abuse. Loyalty in human affairs go both ways, or else it doesn’t exist.
     
    I wrote the above quite some time ago. Even I can’t remember when.
     

    Y’all got on this boat for different reasons, but y’all come to the same place. So now I’m asking more of you than I have before. Maybe all. Sure as I know anything, I know this – they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They’ll swing back to the belief that they can make people… better. And I do not hold to that. So no more runnin’. I aim to misbehave.

    Captain Mal Reynolds (Nathan Fillion) Serenity

    “‘He either fears his fate too much,
    Or his desert is small,
    Who fears to put it to the touch,
    And win or lose it all.’ – Montrose’s Toast

     
    What you of the CHOAM directorate seem unable to understand is that you seldom find real loyalties in commerce. When did you last hear of a clerk giving his life for the company? Perhaps your deficiency rests in the false assumption that you can order men to think and cooperate. This has been a failure of everything from religions to general staffs throughout history. General staffs have a long record of destroying their own nations. As to religions, I recommend a rereading of Thomas Aquinas. As to you of CHOAM, what nonsense you believe! Men must want to do things out of their own innermost drives. People, not commercial organizations or chains of command, are what make great civilizations work. Every civilization depends upon the quality of the individuals it produces. If you over-organize humans, over-legalize them, suppress their urge to greatness — they cannot work and their civilization collapses.
    -A letter to CHOAM, Attributed to The Preacher

     
    There is danger that, if the Court does not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it will convert the Bill of Rights into a suicide pact.
    —Justice Robert Houghwout Jackson,
    Terminiello v. Chicago 337 US 1, 37(1949)

     
    This is our mass suicide cult party. Enjoy it while it lasts, humans.

     

  • gpc31

    Scene: The Tower in London.  Thomas More confronts his perjurer, Sir Richard Rich who has coincidentally just been appointed the Attorney General for Wales.

    More: “For Wales?  Why, Richard it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world…But for Wales?”

  • Mike Devx

    The 20th Century was the century of entitlements that could not be repealed.
     
    Mark Steyn has been saying, and has just repeated this evening:
    Their bet [the Democrats] is that it can’t be undone, and that over time, as I’ve been saying for years now,  governmentalized health care not only changes the relationship of the citizen to the state but the very character of the people. [...] More prosaically, it’s also unaffordable. That’s why one of the first things that middle-rank powers abandon once they go down this road is a global military capability.  Five years from now, just as in Canada and Europe two generations ago, we’ll be getting used to announcements of defense cuts to prop up the unsustainable costs of big government at home.

    There will be plenty for us to mull over now that the short-term battle, on this particular vote, is over.  Yes, be angry, but let your anger underpin your steel resolve and determination that this shall not stand!

    My view is that the 21st Century is when the bills from the 20th Century come due, and they cannot be paid.  The political dynamic is completely different under these conditions.  If the Democrats are correct – that these times are the same as the past, and entitlements once passed cannot be undone -then our slippery slide to ruin has merely accelerated.  (Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, and the totality of the national debt, already have us on a guaranteed road to ruin; ObamaCare merely accelerates what is inevitable.)

    Most of these politicians are 20th Century politicians who assumed real power for the first time in 2006 and 2008.  They are moving forward with an agenda they’ve wanted to enact for a long time.   We are moving into 2010 and the American People are becoming quite roiled.  It’s all only beginning.  These next six months are really going to be something.  And even then – with the elections of 2010 – we’re still only at the beginning of what is unfolding.  All of this – these dark days, to include whatever this Democrat Congress and Obama may force upon us in the next six months as well – may be necessary for real change to arrive afterwards.  Necessary because the American People are slow to react, but in the end, react they do.

  • suek

    Check out this angle:
     
    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/health-insurance-is-forbidden-under-islam
     
    So much for separation of church and state.  As far as I can tell, it’s only the _Christian_ church and state that have to be kept separate…

  • SADIE

    suek
    Good grief. I wonder if the Haraam also rejects  homeowners insurance or business insurance to guard against fire and theft.
     
    Haraam, so close to another word ‘hara’ and its English equivalent.

  • SADIE

    Sh#t!