If you want to see what modern socialism looks like….

If you want to see what modern socialism looks like, look no further than Britain.  I cannot urge you strongly enough to read this article.  If it is the only thing you read this week, read this article.  Because I read the British papers daily, I can attest to the truth of every fact stated therein — at least insofar as, for the past six or seven years, the various papers have reported facts truthfully.

After you read the article, think long and hard about what the Obami have done and are planning to do.  Then be very afraid.  And remember November.

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  1. Danny Lemieux says

    The worst part of socialism is the loss of hope and initiative, one of the reasons that I believe that UK 20-somethings have so much trouble with alcohol.  You grow up in an over-regulated  society where your prospects are decided for you by the time you reach your early teens; where bad behavior is excused, if not encouraged; and where, for most people, disposable earnings prospects rises only at the luxury of your governing masters.
    In EUrope, people long ago lost the power to affect change peacefully, as their rights were slowly but surely  sapped away from them, culminating with the Lisbon Treaty that pretty much took away any pretense of EUrope as a democratic union. Now, to affect change, unions and anarchists  shut down economies and destroy property, the only form of protest left.
    The nasty truth about this, however, is not that it happened but that EUropean citizens let it happen, quite content to focus on satisfying their immediate post-modern needs and only too happy to shrug off their responsibilities as citizens.  I am always struck that when a natural disaster strikes in EUrope, the majority of people are quite content to sit back and let the “authorities” handle it rather than do something to help themselves [similar to the U.S. welfare culture response to Katrina]. Here (for now), most people pick up the shovels, fill sandbags and do what needs to be done.
    Europe’s road to serfdom was marked by the perfection of Gallic shrugs [http://french.about.com/library/weekly/aa020901g.htm ], even as a new, post-modern aristocracy took root. The Democrats have been taking notes, so let us not go quietly in the night.

  2. says

    Europeans got used to the US pulling their bacon out of their fire. Europe has never suffered the real consequences of their ideology, their Marxist-Leninist polemics, or their war and political self-aggrandizement.
    You know it is true because these people are so uncomfortable about it that they’ll continuously deny it and attack Americans as war mongers.
    So the continent that started up two world wars and had to have the US step in and solve their problems for them, while rebuilding their shitty economies without them paying us back a dime, are the Superior Culture here?

  3. gpc31 says

    Someone on an investment website remarked that he wanted to short the Pound because outside of London and possibly Aberdeen, England is Detroit writ large: a wasteland.  An exaggeration maybe, but think about the heartbreaking ruin of a civilization in less than a century!  A few negligent generations, and it’s gone.  (OK, the decline is not quite that simple:  WWI killed, WWII exhausted, post war socialism, the Thatcher revival, and now for the yobs.)  Give them another such hundred years and learned men will be as rare as the Venerable Bede.

    The same investor also gave another reason: the rise of vile anti-semitism as a clear indicator of decline.

  4. TommyC says

    Danny – Amen.
    In a sense, the problems all started when people / societies decided that people had ‘rights’ that go far beyond out God given rights as enumerated in the Declaration of Independence.  As soon as you have to take from Peter to give Paul his ‘right’ you’re not talking about rights but some altogether different.  Europe is getting their comeuppance, and we will too if we don’t get our act together.
    We have one thing going for us.  We are Americans, we are different, and some of us are beginning to remember that.  America really is exceptional – if we can keep it.

  5. jj says

    I am in fundamental agreement with Tommy C – we really aren’t the same animal as the Brits, in spite of what the Jug-eared Jackass in the White House thinks.  (If “thinks” is the word.)
    Funny how that juxtaposes with your later post about anger.  Anger is what started this country: anger at England; anger at the usual European way of doing business; anger at the usual European social norms; anger at some fat German sitting on a throne 3,000 miles away telling us how much we “owed” him in taxes; anger at his entire unwillingness to even listen, let along grant some relief and redress.   Somewhat to the contrary of your anger-related post, I think the history is that America as a whole does just fine with anger.  The Declaration of Independence is nothing more than a carefully spelled-out list of 27 reasons for why our forefathers were so goddam pissed off at England that they were willing to go to war with the world’s greatest military power.  Which, as we all know, they very quickly stopped talking about, and did.  A century and half or so later the situation in Europe – about which we didn’t much care –  and the far east – about which we cared even less – in the late 30s and early 40s would have ticked on more or less forever, had Japan not made the mistake of pissing us off.  But they did – and 39 months later Berlin and Tokyo were smoking ruins.  They had been rendered so by an irritable people, well capable of channeling anger.  That would be us.
    Anyway, this capacity to get mad, reach a point where enough is enough, is a fairly large – in my estimation – factor in what makes us different from Europe, and especially from Britain.  Britain has always been a class-ridden society, despite how this has been perceived to have changed.  I lived there – as I know Bookworm did too – and I don’t perceive the elimination of class barriers as having really taken place on the visceral level at all.  Let’s try to eliminate some traditional nomenclature, to try to get at what I mean – or am trying to say, because it’s more complex than just “upper” and “lower” classes.
    People who have always been from what I’ll rename the “leadership” class of Britons are those who run the place, and they’re a small percentage.  The Boer War was a prolonged guerrilla action, and took down a noticeable percentage of a generation of the leadership class.  Worse was to come.  Not long thereafter World War I devastated that class – all those brilliant young Etonians, Oxonians, and fair-haired lads from Cambridge were the ones who led the charges out of the trenches into No Man’s Land – and got blown apart.  Most of a whole generation of the “leadership” class vanished.  Then it happened again 22 years later, and the same class got whacked again, third generation in a row.  (Because say what you like about these guys, they make up the subaltern ranks, and they have always – in the British Army – led from the front, and every time there’s a war they’re the first ones to get it.  So, in a small country, to lose, basically, three generations of the “leadership” class – and bring an entire end to a good many family lines is tough.  How many times can you go to that well?
    The “non-leadership” class in Britain has always been content to follow.  Or – whether they were content or not – they did follow.  Entrepreneurs, inventors, technicians, thinkers of all kinds traditionally do not come from these ranks.  They have been thought for, and cared for, for so long that in just about all fields except politics they don’t contribute much.  Except for the rare genius the gene-pool spits up, they aren’t capable.  It’s too easy to be thought for and cared for.  For example, they never needed to be educated, so they never were – they still aren’t.  An unbelievable number of your basic Briton – young ones, not Granny! – cannot read.  They have no tradition of working to better themselves, because for generations betterment wasn’t possible.  They drink like fish, they have dopey street fights, and they make up the ranks of what used to be called the “yobs,” (or even, “yobbos”).  There is a generations- long history 0f not contributing much to society.  Including that they never got angry enough to leave, come here, and try (as did the Irish – naturally cranky) to be something different.  They have always just taken it – like Californians.
    You have a population that has been cared for, for centuries.  At the end of this experiment, what do they know how to do?  Not much.  Can they care for themselves?  Not much.  And the big thing, to my mind, is that they sit placidly – cow-like – and watch their country evaporate.  They cannot even generate the anger to hold onto their own nationality – anger has been bred out of them.  And that, I believe, is what leads to the Socialist look of today.  Because the other side of that question is: if Socialism stopped tomorrow in Britain, how many of them would survive until this time next week?  A lot of the immigrants would, they’d be fine, but your basic Brit?  Some of them would probably be okay at scrabbling among the post-Apocalyptic ruins – but most of them wouldn’t be.
    And that’s a big difference with us: that makes us not them.  That may well be our saving grace: we remember how to get mad.  We’re getting there now.  I think it’s what makes us different: they haven’t known how to get mad for centuries.  There are still enough of us who don’t just accept whatever gets shoved at us.  In Britain – in Europe – there aren’t.

  6. says

    jj:  You are entirely correct about the British class system, and the serial hits it took.  What you wrote reminded me of something a British history professor said about the industrial revolution in England.  He said that, unlike the industrial revolution in America, which saw Americans endlessly striving and inventing and innovating, in Britain, once the workers reached a certain level of economic stability, they became extremely passive.  Being a Leftist Berkeley professor, he saw that as a virtue, of course, countering American greed, but even then I saw that as a profound failing in the British character.

    That also reminds me of the way in which England pays for university educations.  I paid for my own education by working, and by taking loans I knew I’d pay back.  My education was worth a great deal to me.  My British peers, when I lived there, saw it as one more free ride in a system that owed them.  The academically inclined still studied because it was their nature.  The others merely showed up.

  7. says

    It is also why British Colonialism failed. Whatever virtues of character came from the law and order imposed from outside by the British regiments evaporated once the people running the system became career bureaucrats.
    And the people in Britain’s armies, no longer were their ruling elite.

  8. Danny Lemieux says

    I will second your comments regarding education, Book. My daughter is currently studying at a leading European university. She has been appalled by not only the low quality of the education she is receiving but also the low quality of the instructors and the virtual absence of ethical values – cheating is rampant and actually winked at by the professors. The predominant mood she is noticing among her European peers and professors is boredom with the entire educational experience. She feels that the majority of  EUropean students she interacts with are in large part lazy intellectual blanks with a huge sense of entitlement…all they need to do is show up. [to be fair, she does note some stellar intellectual exceptions]
    They know that once they leave, they will be slotted into positions in industry or (their Holy Grail) government and that not much will be expected of them.
    One would be tempted to think this is a singular experience except that her American friends scattered throughout other European universities are experiencing the same thing (with the exception of Germany).

  9. SADIE says

    Since you put me in an English frame of mind …
    For a mere $750. what a bargain [muslims only] you get to defame a war memorial, threaten to murder the  PM and be absolved of anything malicious.
    gpc31 .. you can add this to the tidy list  you provided. They’re in fast forward motion to undo themselves in less than 20 years – one more generation.
    A Muslim protester who daubed a war memorial with graffiti glorifying Osama Bin Laden and proclaiming ‘Islam will dominate the world’ walked free from court after prosecutors ruled his actions were not motivated by religion.
    Tohseef Shah, 21, could have faced a tougher sentence if the court had accepted that the insults  –  which included a threat to kill the Prime Minister  –  were inspired by religious hatred.
    But  –  citing a loophole in the law  –  the Crown Prosecution Service chose not to charge him with that offence and he escaped with only a two-year conditional discharge and an order to pay the council £500 compensation after admitting causing criminal damage.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1270021/British-Muslim-daubs-war-memorial-Islamic-slogans–CPS-says-NOT-racially-motivated.html#ixzz0mct69mx1

  10. suek says

    >>So, in a small country, to lose, basically, three generations of the “leadership” class – and bring an entire end to a good many family lines is tough.>>
    Interesting point, jj.  I hadn’t thought of it that way.  I think we suffer from the same problem – but due to the respective sizes of our nations and populations, it doesn’t have the same impact on us.
    Have you noticed that it seems that there are quite a few among us these days with a British accent?  Maybe it’s just me, but it sure seems that way.  Or maybe it’s just Hollywood and the idea that anything advertised with that “high class” British accent is an automatic sale…

  11. SADIE says

    suek…and the census here to back it up.
    I believe this is happening on this side of the pond as well.  Many look at their faith like one of those old Chinese menus – pick (1) from column A, pick (2) from column B and you automatically get C w/o charge. Call it – Designer Deity.
    One of my favorites peeves is from a woman, who keeps a very kosher home (brags to no end how she must go out of her way to get a kosher chicken or whatever). When I asked her what her favorite meal was while dining out ….. shrimp in any way shape or form. It may explain the numbers below from the British, who continue to check Christian, but check out after completing the form.  If they don’t find some middle ground towards  faith,  like a Judeo-Christian society, a muslim one will lay down the rules for them [middle ground is not included, nor are there any old Chinese menus].
    Less than half of the British people believe in a God, yet about 72% told the 2001 census that they were Christian, and 66% of the population have no actual connection to any religion or church, despite what they tend to write down on official forms. Between 1979 and 2005, half of all Christians stopped going to church on a Sunday. Religion in Britain has suffered an immense decline since the 1950s, and all indicators show a continued secularisation of British society in line with other European countries such as France.

  12. suek says

    We call them “Cafeteria Catholics”.  Just do what you want, disagree with what you don’t want, and then express shock if someone accuses you of being not exactly orthodox.
    You know…like Pelosi.  Among a few others I could mention.

  13. SADIE says

    “Cafeteria Catholics”
    Took me a moment to catch that. I remember the old Horn and Hardart  chain. Each serving behind a glass door. Drop the coins in, open the door and slide out the dish you wanted to devour.
    Gee..suek, is it possible that the ‘secular’ folks are constantly hungry and their attempts to control everything/one is a substitute for a different type of hunger?

  14. jj says

    The point is, these are a people who have become accustomed to being led.  Once you’re accustomed to being led, you can be led – anywhere.  Maybe Bookworm and I are unique (here, in Bookwormroom) in having lived there, and lived in that milieu, and seen it on a day-to-day basis.
    When the leaders – the smart leaders – are all gone, whats left?  The answer seems to be: not much.  They don’t have a mechanism to replace them.
    We in this country are not at that point.  They are.  And it’s been a disaster for them.  It isn’t yet there for us.  I emphasize: yet.  Because it can be, very easily – but we seem to be, at least somewhat, resistant.  To this point.  In the long run?  I don’t know.

  15. says

    It is here for us but the us here in America is selective. The US is geographically diverse, so evil takes awhile to reach everybody. Like the COIN inkblot strategy, evil has to find a safe house or base and then it slowly spreads from that point.
    In urban centers like Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans, and Los Angeles, those places are already lost to the light. They have become, literally, Democrat fiefdoms and slave plantations where people do as they are told or suffer the consequences.

  16. Gringo says

    The “non-leadership” class in Britain has always been content to follow.  Or – whether they were content or not – they did follow.  Entrepreneurs, inventors, technicians, thinkers of all kinds traditionally do not come from these ranks.

    Darlington, in his Evolution of Man and Society, pointed out that the greatest  scientists, engineers and inventors from 1600-1900 in  Britain came from the ranks of the religious  Dissenters, not from the established  Episcopalian Church. Dissenters could not get into Oxbridge unless, like Isaac Newton, they dissembled. Conclusion: say what you will about what class the greatest scientists, engineers, and inventors came from, during this time they did not come from the “leadership class” which by law belonged to the established Episcopalian Church.

  17. suek says

    Leadership is both a talent and a skill.  The military is interesting in that they require the “beginner” (whether enlisted or officer) to follow orders.  Period.  But at some point, they have to lead.  They are – at that point – analogous to  children.  Just as children grow up, and take on the responsibility of adults (or at least they’re supposed to), the newbie military member eventually has to learn to make the plans and form the orders for others to follow – which we call leadership.
    The military has excellent leadership training – in fact, I think it’s the only organization I can think of that _has_ leadership training.  That doesn’t mean that there aren’t others in other occupations who learn leadership, but it’s something they do on their own – not part of a training program.  It’s a little like teaching.  Some people are natural teachers, and taking the teaching courses required to get credentialed gives them additional skills that make them excellent teachers.  Others take the same courses and learn skills that enable them to teach, but they’ll never make _excellent_ teachers – just teachers.
    I guess it’s the same with most things.  Hard work and a good teacher in an activity will make even an untalented individual well skilled in that activity.  Natural talent will take one far, even without a good teacher or hard work.  The best combination – naturally – is a natural skill, plus a good teacher, plus hard work.
    By the way … the goal of 4-H is to teach leadership skills.  Some leaders seem unaware of this – they think of the activity skills as ends in themselves, but the _stated_ goal of 4-H is to teach leadership through the activities that children enjoy.  Unfortunately, often the leaders are more concerned with adult judged success than permitting failure to teach its own lesson.
    Boy Scouts have the same leadership goals – but again, they’re often thwarted by the efforts of participating adults who prefer short term success to long term development.  Parents like their kids to look good terrific, in other words.
    Pony Club, on the other hand, has a goal of teaching horsemanship.  Period.  Very often, the youngsters learn leadership through their program, but that isn’t their primary goal.

  18. suek says

    >> Parents like their kids to look good terrific, >>
    That “good” is supposed to have a strike through.  It showed up on my entry, then disappeared when it posted.  Anybody have a clue how to make it “stick”?

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