I have an idea for a Koran protest
Bookworm on Sep 12 2010 at 2:14 pm | Filed under: Uncategorized
I am 100% opposed to book burning, any book. You don’t fight ideas by sending the paper on which they’re printed up in flames. You fight ideas by debate and discourse.
Of course, the problem for Westerners, is that the Prophet himself made debate and discourse unlawful. So what do you do? Burning books is a primitive, stupid idea, that is antithetical to American values. Debating with Islamists is an impossible task because their narcissistic leader made sure to cut of the possibility for any discourse.
How about putting Islam in its place and ignoring the Koran? I can just see it now: Americans from all over buy Korans and bring them to a public meeting place. They then stack their Korans neatly — and with respect — in a corner; walk to the middle of the room; and begin expounding, with vigor, upon the virtues of American constitutional governance.
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Nice idea Bookworm, but we would still be accused of being islamicphobic (sp?)
Daniel Greenfield tells us ….
Given a choice between burning the US Constitution or burning the Koran– the media happily raises a lighter to the First Amendment. To them nothing American is sacred, but everything Islamic is.
http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/
Within the body of the article is a link to youtube. It seems that someone (just one) burned a koran. What struck me was not that this man did it, but the flood of reporters who followed him with dozens of cameras, who took the Three Monkey reporting vowels regarding the pastor. The kept asking him for his name, which he did not give name, only this quote:
“Americans should never be afraid to give their opinion”
Another Koran story, which I found amusing ….
Algeria ordered thousands of Koran books whose covers bear a Jewish symbol to be removed from shelves, on a day in which an American pastor relinquished his plan to burn the holy Muslim testament.
see photo and rest of story here….
http://www.viciousbabushka.com/2010/09/jewish-korans-found-in-algeria.html
I have a better idea. Store them safely in a very deep tunnel in Nevada. I understand they have one or two that might not be used for anything important…
I have the spot …it’s in Kansas : )
http://www.rileycountyks.gov/index.aspx?NID=425
To burn a Bible is to declare war on Western Civilization itself, and on all of us. When you see a picture of a radical Muslim burning a Bible, it’s implicit.
That’s why I’m not interested in burning Korans. I know and work with a few very nice, very decent and wonderful Muslim human beings. I’d not want to hurt them or make them angry by insulting their religious beliefs in such an antagonistic manner, myself. It wouldn’t reflect well on me.
But I still have not come up with a way – a visual presentation – that expresses my complete disgust with and hatred for murderous radical Islamic jihadists. A burning Koran is sure an effective symbol! But it’s one I won’t use. What will my symbol be, then? I haven’t found it yet.
“Burning books is a primitive, stupid idea, that is antithetical to American values.”
I’m sorry, but I disagree with your assessment that burning books is “antithetical to American values.” The Supreme Court says that burning something is akin to expression, which is a form of speech protected by the First Amendment.
This cannot be considered “antithetical to American values” unless you consider free speech “antithetical”. I don’t think that you do, but in case you do, allow me to state that I disagree completely.
I consider book burning the same as calling a homosexual a “fag” or calling an African-American a “nigger”. No, they SHOULDN’T be used, but they are FREE SPEECH. Burning a book SHOULDN’T be done, but it is FREE SPEECH, and as such – I adore the idea of it (note: the IDEA, not the practice…)
Sorry, but I maintain the belief that “free speech” does not necessarily equal “popular speech”, but only allowing “popular speech” will ALWAYS trample ideas of “free speech”.
BTW – I did not intend to offend anyone with this post, I know using some of the language I used is considered offensive, and that was not my intent. My intent was only to show the difference between “free speech” and “allowed speech”.
>>I know using some of the language I used is considered offensive>>
The language you used was politically incorrect. Many of us here are also politically incorrect, although most of us are also more polite and careful in the words we choose than many who are politically correct. Which is another way of saying “no apology needed”.
I’ve never really figured that out. Why must we be so careful about certain words or we’re bad people, but if other people use words that are offensive to us, we’re just prudes and need to “get over it”.
And, by the way, if some of free speech wasn’t offensive, there wouldn’t be any reason to make laws to provide that we have it.
And by the way2, did anyone else see the news that some British young lout has been permanently banned from the US be cause he apparently emailed Obama with some derogatory contents? Well, I guess free speech only applies if you’re a citizen….
see the news that some British young lout….
Are you referring to the member of the EDL, who wanted to attend the September 11 memorial? If so, he was turned around by customs and sent back to the UK. From what I read he was probably being trailed by inspectors in England, who then alerted us. OTOH, Geert Wilders spoke in NYC.
Free speech is selective and who gets to call the shots as to what is PC and what is not PC. It’s not so much the use of a unacceptable word or phrase, it’s about the intent of the speaker/writer isn’t it.
Darth Keller, when I forgo shooting someone who’s engaging in offensive speech, I uphold American values. When I hold the content of the speech itself in contempt, I am not acting antithetically to American values, I’m simply engaging in the human judgment that is my birthright.
The content of the “speech” that consists of book-burning is, in part, that some ideas are so dangerous they must be silenced. That’s not a speech I’m willing to make.
No, I don’t think so, Sadie. Apparently this was a case of too much alcohol plus perhaps some political leanings. I didn’t see the one you mention…gotta link??
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/offbeat/uk-teenager-banned-from-america-for-life-over-obscene-obama-email-091310
suek, here’s the link. They allowed 7 members of the EDL to enter, but ‘Robinson’ was turned around.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/sep/12/english-defence-league-mosque-protest
“Why must we be so careful about certain words or we’re bad people, but if other people use words that are offensive to us, we’re just prudes and need to “get over it”.”
It’s a way to keep the peasants in check. Before, there were such things as consumption laws or some such. It put into effect restrictions on what peasants could eat or wear. If you didn’t have nobility, you couldn’t use X color, for example, no matter how much “money” you had.
Words are another way of enforcing class differences so that the powerful can tell the “real elites” from the “wannabes”. By forcing you to say X and allowing special people to be allowed to say Y, it performs the same function as sumptuary laws.
The Constitution uses various principles to create and maintain liberty and security. However, there are also principles to creating and maintaining tyranny and security. And the Left knows several of them. Our side, however, remains ignorant so far. Although it isn’t as bad as 2001.
Definitely not the same person, Sadie.
Not even the same caliber…
I have no visceral problem with burning the Koran, if that’s what gets you off then fine – but a far more useful thing to do would be make people read it. Instead of having a “today we burn the Koran” party, far better to have a “today we read it” day. That would actually accomplish something, and allow people to see for themselves exactly what it says about treating people who don’t think precisely as they do, or try to resist them, or have the nerve to disagree with them, etc., etc.
Make people read it. Far better than burning it. After everybody in the world has read it and quietly said “Holy S–t” to themselves – then we can give humanity a break and burn them.
jj – what a great idea. I particularly like the pun – “Holy S–t” although I would have gone with Wholly S-t.
JJ – Ditto. The problem is ignorance. Reading the Koran is the solution.