Problems with Muslim intermarriage and pregnancy

I recently read SuperFreakonomics: Global Cooling, Patriotic Prostitutes, and Why Suicide Bombers Should Buy Life Insurance, which, sadly, was not as good as the original book by the same authors. One thing that did stick with me, though, from this slightly silly, banal book, is the author’s claim that, in the Muslim world there is a common thread binding low-achieving children and adults: Ramadan. It turns out that, although people do eat before sunrise and after sunset during Ramadan, for women in the early stages of pregnancy during that month, the lack of regular daytime nutrition affects the fetus’s development. Those babies don’t thrive either in utero or in the world.

It seems that Muslim babies have another problem: inbreeding. Because of the imprimatur Mohamed put on marriage between first cousins; and because Muslims are tribalists, more than nationalists, which makes tight family bonds important, Muslims have a hugely higher than normal risk of recessive genetic disorders. Worse, because anything that isn’t glowing praise for Islam and Muslims is deemed Islamophobia, with the result that Leftists will berate you and Muslims will kill you, this is not a topic that is ever addressed.  Moral and physical fear drop the fact that generations of children are destroyed by inbreeding.  (And isn’t that funny, because, whether the topic is socialized medicine or illegal immigration, the Leftists always lead with “But what about the children?”)

With the exception of a few ruling families (the Egyptian pharaohs and the Hapsburgs spring to mind), massively isolated communities, and the Islamic world, all other societies have banned incest.  This isn’t because it’s icky.  We think it’s icky because it’s been banned for a gazillion years across all (but a few) communities — and it’s been banned for a reason:  Ancient people may not have been versed in the sciences, but simple observation revealed to them that, if family members had children, those children had problems.  More than that, if this inbreeding spanned several generations, the problems worsened.  The Hapsburgs are a great example because, by the late 16th century, they were routinely giving birth to children who were retarded, insane, or horribly disfigured.  Charles V provides a nice example of the physical damage wrought by inbreeding:

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12 Responses to “Problems with Muslim intermarriage and pregnancy”

  1. on 20 Sep 2010 at 9:53 pm Gringo

    Though that particular portrait of Charles V [Holy Roman Emperor] has perhaps the most extreme chin of any of his portraits. Accuracy? Who knows? The inbreeding for the Hapsburgs got even worse after Charles V.
    Some of the responses to this information  about Muslim inbreeding go along, “well  for centuries we lived in small villages and married cousins because no one else wasn’t a cousin for 10 miles around…” Which ignores the statistics on various birth defects etc. in Muslim populations in Europe which those articles bring up.
    They make a defense of Muslims but feel free to pile on with jokes about inbreeding in Arkansas and among so-called hillbillies.
     
    http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=1680&bih=829&q=charles+v+holy+roman+emperor&gbv=2&aq=8&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=charles+V&gs_rfai=
     
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Carlos_segundo80.png  Family tree of Charles II of Spain, the Bewitched. [1661-1700]

  2. on 21 Sep 2010 at 5:31 am Danny Lemieux

    Pictures really are worth a thousand words. The portrait of Charles V, with its vacuous stare, conveys so much about Democrats, academics, environmentalists, ruling elites….
     
    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

  3. on 21 Sep 2010 at 5:47 am Ellen

    The Spanish Habsburg king Carlos II was even worse off than Charles V.  He came from a long series of first cousin and uncle niece marriages and the poor man was a physical wreck.  He couldn’t even walk till he was eight.  He was married twice but had no children – most historians think he was impotent.  When he died, there were no Spanish Habsburgs in direct line for the throne and that set off the War of the Spanish Succession.

    I like to frequent royalty discussion boards and there’s a fair number of people who think royals should not marry commoners.  Well, just look at Carlos II and you’ll see what happens when, as Queen Victoria said, “the blood becomes too lymphatic”

  4. on 21 Sep 2010 at 7:15 am Ymarsakar

    “there’s a fair number of people who think royals should not marry commoners.”
     
    That’s why they aren’t serious about sustaining systems of government involving royalty as executives.

  5. on 21 Sep 2010 at 9:02 am suek

    Linebreeding and inbreeding are valuable tools in animal breeding.  The difference, of course, is that disastrous results can be destroyed, and good results can be encouraged.  That’s a bit tough when you’re dealing with humans, but as I understand it, the Brits and the Dutch are working on prenatal testing for genetic defects to encourage abortion.  It’s still an elective, but I wonder how long that will last.
     
    Another interesting item is that we humans tend to latch onto extremes and turn them into desirable characteristics.  Interesting show on Nat Geo over the weekend about dog breeds.  In the late 1800s (during the Victorian era) there were only 40 (or some equally small number) dog breeds, all of which were working breeds in one function or another.  At present, the kennel clubs recognize 480 unique dog breeds, the majority of which are _not_ working dogs.  Many of the breeds have developed as a result of breeding for extremes – the English Bulldog being the example they used.  It was originally a working dog…very athletic…used to control the cattle in slaughter yards.  Then they started selecting for extremes, and at present, due to it’s wide shoulders and narrow hips, virtually all of the pups have be to born by caesarian section.  I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility that given royalty with a peculiar physical feature, that those who wished for the status of royalty might find such a feature desirable instead of odd.

  6. on 21 Sep 2010 at 12:00 pm Gringo

    Classical Values has an interesting post on how dogs got domesticated. A Russian geneticist and his successors bred foxes for decades in the safety of Siberia, far away from any traces of Lysenkoism, selecting for docility. As foxes became more docile and more dog-like, the floppy ears and multi-colored coats that distinguish dogs from wolves emerged.
     
    http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/2010/09/how_dogs_got_do.html

  7. on 21 Sep 2010 at 12:07 pm Ellen

    Don’t even get me started on dog breeding!!!  I love dogs, love them but the breeders are ruining some of my favorites.  Who in the hell thought it was such a great idea to have the German Shepard have such sloping hindquarters that the poor dog’s butt drags the ground?  The breeders have ruined the Persian cat as well.

    I love my mutt of a cat.

  8. on 21 Sep 2010 at 1:36 pm Ymarsakar

    Gringo, some other interesting views on this topic.
     
    http://grimbeorn.blogspot.com/2010_09_12_archive.html#3691994022145990517

  9. on 21 Sep 2010 at 1:50 pm Ymarsakar

    Form follows function. There is no real beauty when the function of dogs has been warped into crazy people’s idea of entertainment.

  10. on 21 Sep 2010 at 2:00 pm suek

    Ellen… Conformation shows are the bane of any species existence, imo. I have Arabian horses..need I say more? I’ve never shown – I bred for racing and endurance, but the show ring…egad! I’ve also had milk goats – the good thing about them is that their show standards are all performance oriented even when they had to milk the goats twice a day at the shows, and then throw the milk out.   It was all about the udder.  A good milk goat, by the way, will produce a gallon of milk a day for about 9 months out of the year.  Not bad for a 120 lb animal.
     
    Jack Russell Terriers as well…I’d never want one – dobermans are my preferred breed … Dobies and Dals – but at least the JRT breed has maintained a performance standard.  Like them or not, I admire them for having standards that are _working_ standards!

  11. on 21 Sep 2010 at 3:45 pm Spartacus

    Judging an entire goat by only one body part? That’s udderly ridiculous.
     
    (Sorry, couldn’t help myself.)
     
    And indeed, the Chinese are another culture in which cousins may not marry, which reminds me of a story.  I am not making this up.
     
    My senior year in college, I had a class in Ancient Chinese History.  One day, the professor mentioned that the taboo against cousin marriages in China is so strong that even unrelated couples who coincidentally have the same family name cannot marry.  For example, he said, if you have a fellow named Wong from the far west of China, whose lineage is perfectly documented going back 1000 years, and a gal named Wong from the far east of China whose lineage is similarly documented, they cannot marry, even though they are known not to be related.
     
    On the last day of class — which was really just about turning in our papers, chowing down on some snacks, and hanging out and socializing for a bit — I said I had a question about a point he’d made earlier in the quarter, and recounted the sad tale he’d told of Mr. Wong of the West and Miss Wong of the East.  “So are you saying, then,” I asked, “that two Wongs don’t make a rite?”
     
    He laughed.  Then he told me to get out.  Which is probably why I waited until the last day of class to bring it up.

  12. on 21 Sep 2010 at 5:37 pm suek

    Heh heh…!! Well, not entirely on one body part, but a huge udder – as long as it’s nicely formed – goes a huge way!
     
    As for the two Wongs…that’s definitely a keeper!

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