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Bookworm on May 30 2011 at 10:14 pm | Filed under: Barack Obama, Military
Three days ago, I asked whether the military has warmed up to Obama during his two years as C in C. By sheer coincidence, today Gallup gives the answer: No.
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The U.S. military usually tends Republican. The poll, which was spread over several months, doesn’t account for recent changes since bin Laden’s death. Obama’s overall approval has risen, so it probably rose comparably among the military, as well.
http://pollingmatters.gallup.com/2011/05/obama-job-approval-at-16-month-high.html
“Probably?” That sounds more like a wish than an argument.
>> (since Bin Laden’s death)…so it probably rose comparably among the military, as well. >>
Dream on. One of the things military members especially scorn is taking credit for someone else’s actions.
Bookworm: “Probably?” That sounds more like a wish than an argument.
There’s reason from statistics to think that people in the military form a similar curve of opinion as the general population, only centered on a somewhat lower number, and with higher numbers of no-opinions. Other demographic groups have somewhat similar correlations. For instance, as Obama’s numbers increased over the past weeks, the numbers have increased for men, women, young, old, whites, blacks, hispanics, educated, uneducated, rich, poor, married, single, etc.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/presidential-approval-center.aspx
Now there you go again, Zach, confusing statistical blips with trends.
Just checked with my family members in the military. Nope, Obama is not very popular…especially for how he took personal credit for taking out OBL.
Danny Lemieux: Now there you go again, Zach{riel}, confusing statistical blips with trends.
Hmm. It’s outside the margin of error, but it’s possible. However, if it were a “statistical blip,” then other polls would probably show something different. When we look, others polls show a similar increase of support.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
Danny Lemieux: Just checked with my family members in the military. Nope, Obama is not very popular…especially for how he took personal credit for taking out OBL.
According to the Gallop poll, 37% of the military support Obama. That’s certainly not a majority, but it shouldn’t take too long to find one of his supporters in the military.
Does Gallop poll in Iraq and/or A-stan?
On a practical basis, how do they conduct polls of the military?
suek: Does Gallop poll in Iraq and/or A-stan? On a practical basis, how do they conduct polls of the military?
“Americans currently serving in the military overseas or on ships at sea would not be included in this national cell and landline telephone sample.”
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147839/Military-Personnel-Veterans-Give-Obama-Lower-Marks.aspx
>>…would not be included in this national cell and landline telephone sample.”>>
They have access to the phone numbers of military members?
You know…in the “olden” days when most of the military lived in military housing, you could figure out someone’s phone number by their address, if you knew someone’s phone number close by. The phones were maintained by the military, and assigned to the quarters, not to the individual. Not true today. I have to wonder how they gained access to that kind of information.
suek: They have access to the phone numbers of military members?
They robo-dial random numbers. Then they ask you a series of questions, including whether you are an active member of the military.
Hmmm. And how many were in the samples?
And the military population is _what_ percentage of the citizenry?
We’re getting down to some pretty low numbers here, I think. Although the percentages would be significantly higher in some specific areas of the country…
Hooray for the poll. I still live where I lived a few days ago, still hip-dip in all branches at the neighborhood watering-holes – and they still despise Bareass O’Dumbo, as seems to be the nickname with the most current traction.
suek: Hmmm. And how many were in the samples?
Good question, and relates to a previous discussion of sampling theory, which is a bit more on-topic here. Gallup interviewed 238,000 people. In order to have about a 3% margin of error, they only needed about 1000 in the sample. So why interview so many people? Because the subgroups are much smaller than the entire group. Active duty military represent only ~½% of the adult population.
“For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±1 percentage point. The maximum margin of sampling error will be larger for subgroups of veterans and active-duty military.”
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147839/Military-Personnel-Veterans-Give-Obama-Lower-Marks.aspx
Dream on. One of the things military members especially scorn is taking credit for someone else’s actions.
Z takes credit for all the work of the authorities he quotes. Why should Z, suek, believe taking credit for other people’s work is bad and that the military thinks differently?
Ymarsakar: Z takes credit for all the work of the authorities he quotes.
How so? Quoting a citation and providing a link isn’t “taking credit.”
Zach, I think he’s referring to your well-known penchant for pasting a URL, following it with a paragraph of bland boilerplate, and then assuming you’ve made your case.
I’m more thinking of when he quotes one of us, or Bush, and then assumes that that’s somehow a great argument knock down drag out. When all he wrote was somebody else’s stuff and pretends it is his.
Z constantly pastes this refrain.
“Nobody is more shocked and disappointed than me when we didn’t find WMDs in Iraq”-George W. Bush
Bush isn’t here and we aren’t arguing with him. IF we were I can damn well you assure you we’d get better input and arguments than the Zness. That’s not to mention Z likes to quote people out of context in order to send us propaganda. For our own good, he thinks. To make us think Z said. Control the narrative to portray “real” conservatism, whatever that is in Z world.
And that’s it. That is freaking it. All Z does is paste that GWB quote like a broken repeating typewritter. That’s it. He’s got nothing else to say or write. He’s got no thoughts other than that. It’s like he thinks Bush’s words are his thoughts entirely.
Charles Martel: I think he’s referring to your well-known penchant for pasting a URL, following it with a paragraph of bland boilerplate, and then assuming you’ve made your case.
Ymarsakar: I’m more thinking of when he quotes one of us, or Bush, and then assumes that that’s somehow a great argument knock down drag out.
That wouldn’t be “taking credit for all the work of the authorities he quotes.” Providing support for one’s position is typically appropriate.
Plagiarism was never “support” to begin with.
Ymarsakar: Plagiarism was never “support” to begin with.
You’re not making a lot of sense. What plagiarism are you referring to?
What plagiarism are you referring to?
When the only thing Z writes in his post is a George W. Quote he copied and pasted, or when the only thing Z writes in a post is something he quoted from one of us, what else would you call it, Z, only original thinking?
Zachriel: “Nobody is more shocked and disappointed than me when we didn’t find WMDs in Iraq”-George W. Bush
Ymarsakar: I describe this simply to allow people to understand that when I talk about killing 80% of Leftists enabling criminal behavior in Britain, I’m not talking about some cold and efficient outsourcing of the execution. I’m talking about personally overseeing and doing the deed myself, for as many as I can before my arms fall off from the exhaustion.
bookwormroom com/2011/06/13/god-acted-swiftly-a-few-days-ago/comment-page-1/#comment-125557
Ymarsakar: When the only thing Z writes in his post is a George W. Quote he copied and pasted, or when the only thing Z writes in a post is something he quoted from one of us, what else would you call it, Z, only original thinking?
That’s not plagiarism, but quoting with attribution.
plagiarism, to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one’s own : use (another’s production) without crediting the source.