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  1. suek says

    >> (since Bin Laden’s death)…so it probably rose comparably among the military, as well. >>

    Dream on. One of the things military members especially scorn is taking credit for someone else’s actions.

  2. says

    Bookworm: “Probably?” That sounds more like a wish than an argument.

    There’s reason from statistics to think that people in the military form a similar curve of opinion as the general population, only centered on a somewhat lower number, and with higher numbers of no-opinions. Other demographic groups have somewhat similar correlations. For instance, as Obama’s numbers increased over the past weeks, the numbers have increased for men, women, young, old, whites, blacks, hispanics, educated, uneducated, rich, poor, married, single, etc.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/presidential-approval-center.aspx

  3. Danny Lemieux says

    Now there you go again, Zach, confusing statistical blips with trends.
    Just checked with my family members in the military. Nope, Obama is not very popular…especially for how he took personal credit for taking out OBL.

  4. says

    Danny Lemieux: Now there you go again, Zach{riel}, confusing statistical blips with trends.

    Hmm. It’s outside the margin of error, but it’s possible. However, if it were a “statistical blip,” then other polls would probably show something different. When we look, others polls show a similar increase of support.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
     
    Danny Lemieux: Just checked with my family members in the military. Nope, Obama is not very popular…especially for how he took personal credit for taking out OBL.

    According to the Gallop poll, 37% of the military support Obama. That’s certainly not a majority, but it shouldn’t take too long to find one of his supporters in the military. 
     

     

  5. suek says

    >>…would not be included in this national cell and landline telephone sample.”>>

    They have access to the phone numbers of military members?

    You know…in the “olden” days when most of the military lived in military housing, you could figure out someone’s phone number by their address, if you knew someone’s phone number close by. The phones were maintained by the military, and assigned to the quarters, not to the individual. Not true today. I have to wonder how they gained access to that kind of information.

  6. says

    suek: They have access to the phone numbers of military members?

    They robo-dial random numbers. Then they ask you a series of questions, including whether you are an active member of the military. 

     

  7. suek says

    Hmmm. And how many were in the samples?

    And the military population is _what_ percentage of the citizenry?

    We’re getting down to some pretty low numbers here, I think. Although the percentages would be significantly higher in some specific areas of the country…

  8. jj says

    Hooray for the poll.  I still live where I lived a few days ago, still hip-dip in all branches at the neighborhood watering-holes – and they still despise Bareass O’Dumbo, as seems to be the nickname with the most current traction.

  9. says

    suek: Hmmm. And how many were in the samples?

    Good question, and relates to a previous discussion of sampling theory, which is a bit more on-topic here. Gallup interviewed 238,000 people. In order to have about a 3% margin of error, they only needed about 1000 in the sample. So why interview so many people? Because the subgroups are much smaller than the entire group. Active duty military represent only ~½% of the adult population.

    “For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±1 percentage point. The maximum margin of sampling error will be larger for subgroups of veterans and active-duty military.”
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/147839/Military-Personnel-Veterans-Give-Obama-Lower-Marks.aspx

  10. says

    Dream on. One of the things military members especially scorn is taking credit for someone else’s actions.

    Z takes credit for all the work of the authorities he quotes. Why should Z, suek, believe taking credit for other people’s work is bad and that the military thinks differently?

  11. Charles Martel says

    Zach, I think he’s referring to your well-known penchant for pasting a URL, following it with a paragraph of bland boilerplate, and then assuming you’ve made your case.

  12. says

    I’m more thinking of when he quotes one of us, or Bush, and then assumes that that’s somehow a great argument knock down drag out. When all he wrote was somebody else’s stuff and pretends it is his.

    Z constantly pastes this refrain.

    “Nobody is more shocked and disappointed than me when we didn’t find WMDs in Iraq”-George W. Bush 

    Bush isn’t here and we aren’t arguing with him. IF we were I can damn well you assure you we’d get better input and arguments than the Zness. That’s not to mention Z likes to quote people out of context in order to send us propaganda. For our own good, he thinks. To make us think Z said. Control the narrative to portray “real” conservatism, whatever that is in Z world.

    And that’s it. That is freaking it. All Z does is paste that GWB quote like a broken repeating typewritter. That’s it. He’s got nothing else to say or write. He’s got no thoughts other than that. It’s like he thinks Bush’s words are his thoughts entirely.

  13. says

    Charles Martel I think he’s referring to your well-known penchant for pasting a URL, following it with a paragraph of bland boilerplate, and then assuming you’ve made your case.

    Ymarsakar: I’m more thinking of when he quotes one of us, or Bush, and then assumes that that’s somehow a great argument knock down drag out. 

    That wouldn’t be “taking credit for all the work of the authorities he quotes.” Providing support for one’s position is typically appropriate. 

  14. says

    What plagiarism are you referring to?

    When the only thing Z writes in his post is a George W. Quote he copied and pasted, or when the only thing Z writes in a post is something he quoted from one of us, what else would you call it, Z, only original thinking?

  15. says

    Zachriel: “Nobody is more shocked and disappointed than me when we didn’t find WMDs in Iraq”-George W. Bush

    Ymarsakar: I describe this simply to allow people to understand that when I talk about killing 80% of Leftists enabling criminal behavior in Britain, I’m not talking about some cold and efficient outsourcing of the execution. I’m talking about personally overseeing and doing the deed myself, for as many as I can before my arms fall off from the exhaustion.
    bookwormroom com/2011/06/13/god-acted-swiftly-a-few-days-ago/comment-page-1/#comment-125557

    Ymarsakar: When the only thing Z writes in his post is a George W. Quote he copied and pasted, or when the only thing Z writes in a post is something he quoted from one of us, what else would you call it, Z, only original thinking?

    That’s not plagiarism, but quoting with attribution. 

    plagiarism, to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one’s own : use (another’s production) without crediting the source.

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