Zach’s chart and argument fails to take account of things like the clustering of corproations in the liberal states.  Nor do they control for income.  For example, what is the tax expense and benefit for a person making $50,000 a year in a blue state compared to a person making $50,000 a year in a red state? 

Moose’s article and chart are interesting, but they don’treally answer the question either.  The charts aren’t even broken down per capita, which they woulod need to be for the comparison to even begin to be meaningful. 

I have no idea who is right, or even if it matters, but we certainly need more data than we have so far.  By the way, I thought it was interesting that one of the factors mentioned in Moose’s article was farm subsidies, which I think is the kind of government expenditure that Zach would say illustrates his point.  

We provided links to the study and to a discussion of the disparities from the  Tax Foundation. 
  
Moose: I am willing to engage in debate, if you can retract your chart and start fresh with better ammunition. 
 
It’s your claim at issue. 
 
Moose: Liberally run states are drowning in debt that people in other states are getting tired of paying for. 
 
In reply, we cited studies by the Tax Foundation, a nonpartisan tax research group, which contradicted your assertion, while you have provided nothing to support your claim.  

Goodbye for now, Bookworm Room.

Zach: “There are a number of reasons for the disparities and there would be no practical way to eliminate them, nor is there necessarily anything wrong with some disparities.”

LOL! Oh, Great Pontificator, which one is it?

This proves my point. Your chart does not clarify what taxes are being represented. You state ONLY “income tax levels,” but the chart vaguely includes “Taxes.” without any clarification.

If company located in Minneapolis employes tens of thousands of people spread accross the land, those payroll taxes would be credited to ONLY MN. So, the chart does a poor job of reinforcing your point, whereas my chart describes specifically to which states go most of the federal funds.

I am willing to engage in debate, if you can retract your chart and start fresh with better ammunition.

Old, he does that whenever Z is annoyed at not getting his way ideologically. He’s like a cultist relying upon dogma and saying we have numbers and thus we are right. Or at least, that’s what he thinks even if he won’t say it. 

Actually, with his “consensus” propaganda lines, he did say.

Z is, by some accounts, British or German. Not American at all even.

He did all this a long time ago, Old. For those of us that read most of his comments, at least. You could say he isn’t careful, because he already knows that we know.

Yes, but that is only meaningful in resolving your previous claim if you include money coming from each state. Most of the disparity is due to income differences. Blue States have higher income levels, on average, and pay higher marginal tax rates. They carry more of the federal tax burden.