Monday morning Open Thread

I’ve been doing chores and am now heading of for some much needed exercise.  Open Thread away!  Suggested topics:

Insanity and antisemitism on Wall Street (and other places)

Insanity in Europe (which those of us paying attention knew would happen one day)

Insanity in the Middle East (I can’t even begin to link this one)

Corruption in the American media

I have only one thing to add before I race off.  Media reports notwithstanding, Tea Parties were united by love:  Love for country, love for the Constitution.  Flea Parties are united by hate:  Hate for America and Americans, hate for Jews, hate for capitalism and capitalists.  That’s a truth that needs to be broadcast widely.

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    I have a question: WHY ….?
    According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, foreign aid to China totals $2.6 billion a year.


    IF this is the end result – layoffs, closures, shrinking retail space.

  • Mike Devx

    How interesting, Book, I ran across the same link you posted for your ‘Insanity In Europe’ link and I emailed it to two of my conservative friends to kick off discussion.  It’s the clearest of today’s links on the EU crisis.

    What’s funny (in a gallows-humor sort of way) is that they’ve been able to solve NOTHING for about four years now, and yet they think they’re going to fix all these problems next week.  They’re bubbling with optimism, saying it’s all under control.  I think it’s all going to blow up in their faces, or they’re simply going to paper it all over with a fake solution that really solves nothing, and kicks the can down the road for a few months or a year, at which point the problems will be even worse.  But I’m a cynic.  We’ll know more after the next week or two.

  • Ymarsakar

    Certain someones are under control with Democrat blackmail… I can certainly believe that.

  • Mike Devx

    Will there be any benefit to watching tonight’s GOP debate?  It’s hosted by Anderson Cooper on CNN.  Anderson is the smirking asswipe who helped push the “Tea-Bagger” meme for the liberals back when they kicked that propaganda effort off.  Remember his smirking tea-bagger comment on his 360 show?  That was one of the key moments that caused me to completely abandon my TV except for the occasional sports show.

    m such a cynic, what’s wrong with me?  I’m *sure* Anderson will ask probing, thoughtful questions whose purpose is to assist us in determining which candidate most consistently matches our views and is most prepared and qualified to be the next president of the USA.  What’s *wrong* with me?  [end snark]

    I’m not sure I should watch it, but I probably will.  If only to observe blatant media bias in action.  Hostile questions designed to hurt the conservative cause.  Etc.  I’m sure I’ll be hurling epithets at the TV screen.


  • michal

    Sally of the Bay area Patriots has a article at the American thinker with some video footage of the OWS in Oakland CA.

  • Indigo Red

    I agree about the hate from the left except when the hate is directed at the Capitalist system; the protesting buffoons don’t even know what capitalism is in order to hate it so. Time and again we are treated to interviews with OWS people who are asked what they personally want and they say hey want a loan to start a business, but not from those evil capitalists; oh, no, not from the bloodsucking class. Then what is the source of the loan? From … from … ummm… people will just give me money because I’m so wonderful.

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  • Mike Devx

    Tonight’s debate is over.  I *listened* to it while at my computer; I didn’t watch it, so perhaps I have a different perspective from most.  (They say those who listened to Nixon-Kennedy thought Nixon won, where those who watched thought Kennedy destroyed Nixon, due to the imagery.)

    Overall impressions:
    1. The debate was very contentious, with a lot of personal attacks.  Unpleasant sometimes.
    2. I actually thought Andersen Cooper and CNN did a good job.  However many questions seemed designed to provoke conflct between the candidates.  But the candidates ran with that and elevated the conflict.
    3. Rick Santorum did a lot of demagoguery and sounded very unpleasant.  I detested the Rick Santorum I heard in this debate.
    4. Michele Bachman is shrill.  I kind of compare her to Margaret Thatcher; Michele’s got some work to do.  But I did watch about 5 minutes of the recorded debate and she looked and sounded better while I was watching than while I was just listening.  Just listening, she was hard to focus on because of the shrillness.  (I have similar problems listening to Ron Paul, though when I study his words, he usually makes sense.  But on the bully pulpit, he seems a resounding failure.)
    5. Mitt Romney has turned into a very skillful debater.  He is good and sounds good and sounds conservative.  I just don’t trust him.  But if I didn’t know anything about his past, he is very convincing.  He sounds very solidly conservative.
    6. I thought in this format Herman Cain held his own and suffered no damage.  I saw on Dick Morris that Dick thinks Cain blew it and lost momentum and will fall in the polls.  But that’s not personally what I heard. The thought seems to be that because *all* the other candidates attacked his 999 plan, that there *must* be something wrong with it.  I’ve looked at it in detail and I see it as an excellent starting point.
    7.Newt at usual gave great debate answers.  For some reason it never gives him traction with voters.  He doesn’t move me to want to vote for him though I like his answers themselves.  (The same is true of Ron Paul for me, I just can’t support him for President.)
    8. So who did I miss?  Rick Perry.  He had another bad night to me.  Comments on the AceOfSpades live blog sounded like they thought he was having a good night.  Just goes to show, you can’t tell in advance what everyone thinks; they don’t think like I do; we’ll see how the polls move over the next week.

    I don’t expect the poll numbers to move all that much.  Romney has attracted most of the support he can attract, he’s got no way to move upward, I think, until the primaries and caucuses actually start.  I *think* Cain held his own and will hang onto his support.  Perry’s sunk as low as he’s going to sink.  Bachman will not come back.  Gingrich can gain no traction.  Santorum didn’t help his case and if anything, I thought he really harmed himself terribly, just my opinion.

  • Mike Devx

    One more post.  I also noticed – while listening – that the audience seemed hostile to Rick Perry.  There was one point it sounded like they could storm the stage and bum rush him off of it.  A near-unanimous chorus of boos and no support at all.

    David Gergen on CNN post-debate is an irritating idiot.  He’s claiming things as facts that are purely just his opinion.  His analysis is ludicrous to me. (I have the same issue with Roland Martin.)  Gloria Berger in the post-analysis seems the most thoughtful and balanced and fair.

    Can anyone explain to me – please! – why the following is a VALID criticism of Cain’s 9-9-9 plan: ”
    It’s bad because when a Democrat gets into office, they can raise his 9-9-9 tp 10-10-10 or 12-12-12 or 30-18-50.  So it’s bad.” 

    I don’t understand that argument, please explain it to me.  The way I see it, ANY tax plan is subject to being raised. Democrats or anyone can raise any tax rates they want to raise.  They can do it today, they can do it with ANY plan.  I personally think a very simplified plan, such as 9-9-9, is HARDER to raise taxes on because it’s harder to hide.  Changing taxes upwards generates more opposition when people clearly grasp that they’re trying to raise taxes.  A simpler, transparent tax plan, rather than the 650-page current tax plan we have, would be harder to raise taxes on.  Where am I wrong?

    If others watched the debate, I’d love to read your thoughts.  Everyone sees and hears different things…


    I watched and listened to the debate.
    Assderson Cooper/CNN was AWFUL. He threw punches posed as questions and waited and watched to see  who would duck, cover or punch back. The idiot, Cooper asked all of them about funding Israel and ready for this Palestine via the UN. I already wrote to CNN explaining that he lacks a map and a history book.  Even NPR did a better job than this hack.
    Cain stood above the fray.
    Newt stood above the fray.
    Rick sounded like he was on “speed” talking (floundering) faster than I could absorb.
    Ron Paul insists on wearing a tin foil hat.
    Perry is not ready for the big stage – he’s awkward and came unprepared.
    Romney behaved like he has the nomination in the bag and his numbers are less than Cain’s.
    I don’t like Romney. I will never vote for another GOP candidate that’s pushed at me.
    Michell’s voice is a killer – She knows her stuff BUT…gets off topic with “my husband and I” comments.
    We’re not voting for Mrs. & Mr. nor Mr. & Mrs. President (that was the Clinton’s style – two for the price of one.

  • Ymarsakar

    I have a question for Martel if he happens to be reading this.

    Do the Screen Writers Guild or whatever it is called in California require that all franchise serializations for tv provide jobs to writers? A series creator can reserve some episodes of the franchise for himself, but he cannot reserve all of them?


  • Ymarsakar

    Where am I wrong?

    Since it is harder for them to do, they don’t want to support Cain in making things transparent. Pretty simple. If their competitor is winning, they’ll find a way to sabotage him and stab in the back, so that the glory goes to the Left instead. 

  • Charles Martel

    Ymar, I don’t know. I’m clueless about that stuff. Maybe jj can help you—he knows Hollywood like nobody else here.

  • Ymarsakar

    I see. JJ, care to weigh in on this topic?


    I don’t even know how I am sending this tidbit along, my head exploded while reading. This is actually WORSE than Solyndra – the money, OUR MONEY, was given to this company AFTER it filed for bankruptcy.  A Tennessee company called Mountain Plaza Inc. that received $424,000 in a stimulus fund grant has gone completely broke.
    The grant was approved by both the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Tennessee Department of Transportation (TDOT) for the construction of electrical hookups at a truck stop in Dandridge, TN, “so that truckers wouldn’t have to burn diesel fuel while resting.”  
    But wait! It gets better.
    The company qualified for the taxpayer-funded stimulus grant even after it had filed for bankruptcy. Yes, bankruptcy.
    TDOT spokeswoman B.J. Doughty said that the “EPA did not require financial or criminal background checks or information to be disclosed on grant applications.”

    I can’t seem to add the link, but you can read the rest at TheBlaze.

  • Mike Devx

    Sadie says in #16: TDOT spokeswoman B.J. Doughty said that the “EPA did not require financial or criminal background checks or information to be disclosed on grant applications.”
    Just another example of the myriad of ways in which the EPA is out of control.  It doesn’t require that information nor does it check up on it itself.

    Remember, this is the agency, passing its regulations, that does not include any financial *NOR ECONOMIC* impact of its regulations as part of its studies.  It requires volumes of study data!  But not one iota of that data is allowed to be economic. Environmental impact only.
    Out of control.


    Out of control.
    Somebody…pleeeeze throw down the spikes on this highway to hell. I wish I could find the article/info. but to the best of my recollection sometime after “he” was elected and the thieves held all three branches (before I forget add a tree-trimmer to the spikes list) anyway, I recall that $25 billion was allocated for a variety of green, solar, wind, hot air projects. They had to spend the money before September 30, 2011.
    Spend, steal, throw-away, burn, chisel … give it any name that comes to mind. The money is gone, spent,  lost, is no more – it’s pushing up daisies – it’s the parrot in a Monty Python skit.
    We can’t Fjord the EPA – that’s my pun and I am stickin’ to it.

  • Ymarsakar

    What better way for Democrat underlings to get their slice of the American pie than to require no background checks, Sadie? After all, did Obama require credit card security authorization when raising funds?


    …Inching ever closer to a Tahir Square near you.
    “We shoot white bitches like you around here.”

    The pamphlet says that members of the protest group who believe they are victims or who suspect sexual abuse “are encouraged to immediately report the incident to the Security Committee,” which will investigate and “supply the abuser with counseling resources.”


    I don’t know how much press or coverage this will get – we are simply being flooded with story after story of corruption, mismanagement, lies and more lies that even little ol’ me, with, retired time on her hands, can’t keep up with. I was on the phone with a friend last night who asked, “What do you do with all your anger?”  I told her, I just share what I know with the next person. So, I am sharing this:

    One of the many programs packed into Barack Obama​’s failed trillion-dollar “stimulus” package was called the American Opportunity Credit. This targeted tax credit of up to $2,500 per year was meant to help cover college expenses for the dependents of those with a maximum adjusted gross income of $80,000, a higher income level that comparable previous programs allowed. Smaller credits are available for those who earn up to $90,000 per year. The new credit is also good for the first four years of college, instead of just the first two.

    The report by the Treasury Department’s inspector general for taxes found that for the first five months of 2010, $2.6 billion went to 1.7 million taxpayers for students for whom the IRS lacked documents showing that they attended school. Another $550 million went to 371,000 taxpayers for students who didn’t qualify because they didn’t attend school long enough or were graduate students. Nearly 64,000 taxpayers received $88 million in credits for students who were listed as a dependent or spouse on someone else’s tax return. In addition, 250 prisoners who were in custody for all of 2009 erroneously got $256,000 in credits. IRS guidelines require a taxpayer to provide at least half of someone’s support before claiming them as a dependent – which the report said was unlikely for people in prison.