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		<title>By: Bookworm Room &#187; Just because music &#8212; The G.I. Jive</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2011/12/19/guns-and-women/comment-page-1/#comment-137087</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm Room &#187; Just because music &#8212; The G.I. Jive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 04:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is so pathetic that I managed to call America&#8217;s First Sergeant by a rank he hasn&#8217;t seen since 1999. It was nice, therefore, to hear Louis Jordan&#8217;s G.I. Jive today (about the Army admittedly), [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is so pathetic that I managed to call America&#8217;s First Sergeant by a rank he hasn&#8217;t seen since 1999. It was nice, therefore, to hear Louis Jordan&#8217;s G.I. Jive today (about the Army admittedly), [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2011/12/19/guns-and-women/comment-page-1/#comment-137071</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 00:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bureaucracy trumps the US Constitution. And people wonder why their votes and elections matter not...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bureaucracy trumps the US Constitution. And people wonder why their votes and elections matter not&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SADIE</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2011/12/19/guns-and-women/comment-page-1/#comment-137048</link>
		<dc:creator>SADIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ideally those who choose the profession of arms are all a mensch (even if we have to look that word up)
 
Think of it as putting the word &quot;men&quot; in &lt;em&gt;men&lt;/em&gt;sch ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ideally those who choose the profession of arms are all a mensch (even if we have to look that word up)<br />
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Think of it as putting the word &#8220;men&#8221; in <em>men</em>sch <img src='http://www.bookwormroom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Americas 1stSgt</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2011/12/19/guns-and-women/comment-page-1/#comment-137044</link>
		<dc:creator>Americas 1stSgt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a gentleman and a vigorous defender of individual rights my thought is you may refer to me as pleases you. My promotion warrant appoints me as a First Sergeant of Marines to rank as such the first day of July 2007. Hmmm...you may have just inspired my next post. Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a gentleman and a vigorous defender of individual rights my thought is you may refer to me as pleases you. My promotion warrant appoints me as a First Sergeant of Marines to rank as such the first day of July 2007. Hmmm&#8230;you may have just inspired my next post. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: jj</title>
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		<dc:creator>jj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s interesting, because the Seattle City Council occasionally gets above itself, and decides that it&#039;s going to impose some restrictions on guns inside the city limits.  Every time they try - so far - the state legislature says something along the lines of: &quot;uh... excuse us, boys and girls, but... no.  Changing, limiting, restricting, imposing any sort of alteration on a state law happens not to be part of your writ.  Don&#039;t even go there.  Seattle is part of Washington, subject to state law - and we make those laws, you don&#039;t.  Period.&quot;  Which is what New York State should have told New York City a hundred years ago - but unaccountably didn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting, because the Seattle City Council occasionally gets above itself, and decides that it&#8217;s going to impose some restrictions on guns inside the city limits.  Every time they try &#8211; so far &#8211; the state legislature says something along the lines of: &#8220;uh&#8230; excuse us, boys and girls, but&#8230; no.  Changing, limiting, restricting, imposing any sort of alteration on a state law happens not to be part of your writ.  Don&#8217;t even go there.  Seattle is part of Washington, subject to state law &#8211; and we make those laws, you don&#8217;t.  Period.&#8221;  Which is what New York State should have told New York City a hundred years ago &#8211; but unaccountably didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2011/12/19/guns-and-women/comment-page-1/#comment-137039</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Got it, Am1stSgt.  For so long, my rank and title have been &quot;Mommy,&quot; I&#039;ve lost track of nuances in the outside world -- and, I have to admit, I&#039;ve never known the nuances in the military world.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, how do I refer to you?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it, Am1stSgt.  For so long, my rank and title have been &#8220;Mommy,&#8221; I&#8217;ve lost track of nuances in the outside world &#8212; and, I have to admit, I&#8217;ve never known the nuances in the military world.</p>
<p>So, how do I refer to you?</p>
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		<title>By: Americas 1stSgt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Americas 1stSgt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bookworm, ideally those who choose the profession of arms are all a mensch (even if we have to look that word up). Not striving to be so would be unworthy of the special trust and confidence placed in us. As a side note though, in the Marine Corps we refer to our enlisted ranks by their full title, unlike the Army where they refer to everyone E-5 and above as Sgt. In my eyes I have not be a Sergeant in a long, long time (1999). Of course, we do refer to Gunnery Sergeants as Gunny and some Master Sergeants will consent to be called Top. Not all, but some. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bookworm, ideally those who choose the profession of arms are all a mensch (even if we have to look that word up). Not striving to be so would be unworthy of the special trust and confidence placed in us. As a side note though, in the Marine Corps we refer to our enlisted ranks by their full title, unlike the Army where they refer to everyone E-5 and above as Sgt. In my eyes I have not be a Sergeant in a long, long time (1999). Of course, we do refer to Gunnery Sergeants as Gunny and some Master Sergeants will consent to be called Top. Not all, but some. </p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JJ 
Thanks for the interesting guide to Obtaining a Concealed Weapon permit in NYC.

I&#039;ve enjoyed following the progress (or lack) of a DC resident in her attempt to purchase a gun.  Even following the Heller decision, it is almost impossible for someone who doesn&#039;t know the system.  
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2011/oct/5/miller-emily-gets-her-gun/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2011/oct/5/miller-emily-gets-her-gun/&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ<br />
Thanks for the interesting guide to Obtaining a Concealed Weapon permit in NYC.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve enjoyed following the progress (or lack) of a DC resident in her attempt to purchase a gun.  Even following the Heller decision, it is almost impossible for someone who doesn&#8217;t know the system. <br />
<a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2011/oct/5/miller-emily-gets-her-gun/" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2011/oct/5/miller-emily-gets-her-gun/</a></p>
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		<title>By: SADIE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SADIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jose
 
Read the story of the poor old woman earlier today. This was not just a wacko - it was pure sadism. There is no punishment (legally) to fit the crime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose<br />
 <br />
Read the story of the poor old woman earlier today. This was not just a wacko &#8211; it was pure sadism. There is no punishment (legally) to fit the crime.</p>
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		<title>By: jj</title>
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		<dc:creator>jj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 04:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not impossible, Jose - but time-consuming, annoying, and expensive.  Depends on the occupant of the governor&#039;s mansion, too.  When George Pataki was governor he occasionally reminded the city that its laws really didn&#039;t outweigh state laws.  New York City occasionally needs reminding, too.  Most judges in the city will go with state law, and if you have a carry permit from some other county in the state, they&#039;ll tend to consider that okay for the city, too - though you can&#039;t count on it.
 
This is because (1) most NYC judges are aware that Timothy Sullivan - progenitor of the Sullivan Act - was a Tammany Hall crook and general free-lance son of a bitch who essentially didn&#039;t want anyone other than himself and his cronies to be armed, and it&#039;s goddamed humiliating for anyone to be upholding a &quot;law&quot; crafted by this guy, and (2) there&#039;s hardly any constitutional (state constitution, that is) basis for the city to get away with even having separate - let alone tougher - laws than the state.  Sort of: &quot;it&#039;s been going on for a hundred years, okay, that&#039;s the justification - but who told these city idiots they could do that in the first place?&quot;
 
So what it comes down to is: the city will turn you down.  So, you go hire one of the many people who maneuver around the Sullivan Act for a living, and they will simply do so for you.  Because - though they get away with it every day - the city really cannot deny you, if you could qualify for a license in any other county.  But, they can make it cost you $20,000, take a year, and drive you to the edge of reason.  99% of potential applicants will be sufficiently discouraged by this rigamarole that they won&#039;t even bother to apply, and the city will consider that it has &quot;won,&quot; and kept another gun off the streets.  They know if you spend the time - and money - to take them to court and fight about it, they&#039;ll lose.  But they also know that most people won&#039;t be up for that cruise, won&#039;t accept the hassle, and will give up and go away quietly.  That&#039;s the goal.
 
But if you want to spend the time and money, you can walk up 5th Avenue with a gun under your arm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not impossible, Jose &#8211; but time-consuming, annoying, and expensive.  Depends on the occupant of the governor&#8217;s mansion, too.  When George Pataki was governor he occasionally reminded the city that its laws really didn&#8217;t outweigh state laws.  New York City occasionally needs reminding, too.  Most judges in the city will go with state law, and if you have a carry permit from some other county in the state, they&#8217;ll tend to consider that okay for the city, too &#8211; though you can&#8217;t count on it.<br />
 <br />
This is because (1) most NYC judges are aware that Timothy Sullivan &#8211; progenitor of the Sullivan Act &#8211; was a Tammany Hall crook and general free-lance son of a bitch who essentially didn&#8217;t want anyone other than himself and his cronies to be armed, and it&#8217;s goddamed humiliating for anyone to be upholding a &#8220;law&#8221; crafted by this guy, and (2) there&#8217;s hardly any constitutional (state constitution, that is) basis for the city to get away with even having separate &#8211; let alone tougher &#8211; laws than the state.  Sort of: &#8220;it&#8217;s been going on for a hundred years, okay, that&#8217;s the justification &#8211; but who told these city idiots they could do that in the first place?&#8221;<br />
 <br />
So what it comes down to is: the city will turn you down.  So, you go hire one of the many people who maneuver around the Sullivan Act for a living, and they will simply do so for you.  Because &#8211; though they get away with it every day &#8211; the city really cannot deny you, if you could qualify for a license in any other county.  But, they can make it cost you $20,000, take a year, and drive you to the edge of reason.  99% of potential applicants will be sufficiently discouraged by this rigamarole that they won&#8217;t even bother to apply, and the city will consider that it has &#8220;won,&#8221; and kept another gun off the streets.  They know if you spend the time &#8211; and money &#8211; to take them to court and fight about it, they&#8217;ll lose.  But they also know that most people won&#8217;t be up for that cruise, won&#8217;t accept the hassle, and will give up and go away quietly.  That&#8217;s the goal.<br />
 <br />
But if you want to spend the time and money, you can walk up 5th Avenue with a gun under your arm.</p>
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