Comments on: Stay with the Republicans or start anew?

By: Earl

Earl — Fri, 09 Nov 2012 04:03:49 +0000

Sadie: Reagan was the guy who said (for the first time, I think) that we didn’t need a new Party, we needed to reform the one we had. If you remember, the poo-bahs of the Party hated Reagan, and denigrated him openly….even sometimes after he was President.

As for the amnesty, he got rolled by the Dems, who promised border control and didn’t deliver. It had happened to him in California with abortion, and it happened in D.C. with taxes/spending. He learned, but it took several stabs in the back, as it usually does with honorable people who believe that others will reciprocate.

Conservatives, who one expects to study history and learn from it, need to remember these things. We do not raise taxes on the promise of spending cuts….we see the Departments abolished, or the functions eliminated, first! We do not provide a “path to citizenship” until after we’ve got the border closed and see that it’s working. We do not allow felons to stay here under any circumstances. Etc., etc., etc……

Trust, but verify.

By: SADIE

SADIE — Fri, 09 Nov 2012 02:30:58 +0000

Earl, I don’t know what Reagan knew …he granted amnesty in 1986 to 3 million illegal immigrants. Bubba added another 3 million in 1994.

Maybe the GOP was never really conservative by today’s standards and just an alternative to the Dems, although not much of one when you read the first sentence again.

By: Earl

Earl — Fri, 09 Nov 2012 02:04:50 +0000

BW said: “…the Democrat party, is dominated by people who do not share our conservative philosophy….”

So….isn’t the Republican party also “dominated by people who do not share our conservative philosophy?”

I hold that BOTH major parties are dominated by people who don’t share our conservative philosophy, the big difference being that the GOP mouths the conservative philosophy, but betrays it virtually every time they get the chance.

Look at 2000 – 2006, when we had a Republican president, a Republican House, and a Republican Senate. Did the GOP write and fight for legislation to reign in Fannie and Freddie? We know that they were aware of the threat, because GW Bush talked about it, and proposed that Congress deal with it. For all I know, there were bills written….but was there a big fight? With the GOP politicians going on TV to explain that No, changing the status quo wasn’t racist – the status quo was unsustainable and shot through with fraud and would fairly shortly lead to disaster?

We all know that there was no big fight, and that the GOP did NOT get out there and attempt to educate the American people – apparently because they didn’t want to be called bad names and be left out of the good parties in D.C. So…..when the meltdown occurred, the Dems were able to hang the entire thing around the necks of the Party with people who KNEW what was coming, but lacked the courage and imagination to support those Party members and go to the public.

GOP leadership, and far too many GOP politicians are NOT conservative…they just play at it on TV in order to get elected. Once in D.C., they play the “permanent government” game, and care very little if they’re in the majority or minority, so long as they get their goodies.

I don’t know if the brand is permanently ruined – Donald Sensing thinks it is:
(http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-permanent-sunset-of-republican.html)
but for absolutely certain, we need to take over the Party and replace its leadership – that is, if we don’t start a new one. Reagan knew this, if you remember. It all sounds really tiring to me, and I’m tempted to just stay home and try to avoid the mess that’s coming. I’ll probably recover in a few weeks.

By: cogitatingduck

cogitatingduck — Fri, 09 Nov 2012 01:03:23 +0000

Stick with the Republican party. Any other party that would come up and supplant it would be pointed to by the media and liberal establishment as “The Racists Formerly Known as the Republican Party.”
I am just not a big fan of this post-defeat drama. We’ve had our current two party system for 150+ years, and it’s not changing tomorrow. We can’t afford to let Democrats run amok for however long it takes to hash out that kind of permanent cleave.
The key is to push your ideas within the party. I think there’s a healthy mix at the moment. Let’s find a way to catalyze this energy into 2014 and 2016. And pick up some Gary Johnson supporters while we’re at it.

By: Ymarsakar

Ymarsakar — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 22:37:38 +0000

Republicans are known, whether overseas or domestically, as hypocrites or rich fat cats or something of that nature.

They have gotten this reputation because, honestly, it’s inevitable once you let the Left run free for a couple generations of unfettered propaganda. People in California, the inner cities, believe it, regardless of which political party they call home.

By: SADIE

SADIE — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:24:35 +0000

The ‘shunning’ of Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann, the lack of support for Alan West (would have loved to have seen him speak at the RNC).

My message to the RNC:
“You’ve made your bed, now lie in it” – just don’t expect me to be in it.

By: notomarx

notomarx — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:19:50 +0000

According to Rush is, and I paraphrase…What is wrong with the Republican Party is that it isn’t Santa Clause. If we have American’s who now think they can vote themselves free stuff giving them more and better free stuff is not an answer. I tend to agree.

By: Indigo Red

Indigo Red — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:14:29 +0000

It doesn’t matter what the name “Republicans” give themselves. What matters is the values systems, writes Danny. I have to disagree. It very much matters that Republicans are called Republican and there is something about that designation that repulses a lot of people. When I have expressed R values without the R name, Democrats are receptive. As soon as I tell them that every one of the points is a Republican position, they recoil in horror that they could be so easily fooled by the evil that is Republican. We see this happen in so many videos that the videos are now a joke.

Bill Whittle in his last pre-election video pointed out that Liberals are a minority while Conservatives out number them 2 to 1. Yet, the Democrat party is indisputably the larger of the two major parties. Given that most people self-identify as Conservative, espouse Conservative values, yet still register, support, and vote Democrat/Liberal,something other than values is the defining factor for the widespread and outright hatred of all things Republican. It’s in the name and no one is going to convince these smart people their understanding of Republicans is all wrong.

There’s a third option – join the Democrat Party campaigning for the Conservative values that most Democrats actually believe.

By: Marica

Marica — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:41:22 +0000

I’m inclined to say out. I agree with jj: it’s about perception.

Here in Mississippi– of all places!– there’s a movement to bring together various liberty loving groups– TEA party, Campaign for Liberty, Constitution Party– to begin to work together. We are having a Constitutional Congress Saturday, a statewide meeting of like-minded people who want to work out just how we are going to start influencing what goes on locally and state-wide. I don’t know what will come of it, but I am hopeful.

If you think the national GOP is a country club, you should see the redneck version of it– sort of an elite shooting’ club. Haley Barbour. ‘Nuff said.

A bit off topic but zabrina– I wouldn’t tell the kids anything. I’d start teaching them how to do just about everything for themselves. I myself am going to teach my 26 year old how to shoot.

By: Bookworm

Bookworm — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:39:28 +0000

I was talking with a friend today who classifies herself (honestly, too) as a "persuadable." She found the Romney message unfocused and, with her marketing background, blamed it for not targeting minorities, women, etc. I agree. I pointed out, though, that the GOP is an old white institution, while conservativism is a broad approach to individualism and free-market economies that cheerfully embraces all colors, sexes, races, etc.

The GOP needs to be taken over (per Huan) or done away with (per jj). It is embarrassed by its values and unable to reach out across white person lines. That's not the fault of conservativism. That's the fault of the Republican party.