Comments on: What can conservatives learn from this election?

By: Bookworm Room » Practical suggestions for bypassing the media and getting the conservative message out

Thu, 08 Nov 2012 21:34:38 +0000

[...] From Don Quixote: First, we must get over this notion that anyone who disagrees with us is ignorant and immoral. Certainly, many on the left (especially in the leadership) are both of those things. But there are millions upon millions of highly moral people who simply disagree with us. Many of these people are open to being made less ignorant and persuaded to our cause. [...]

By: Ravana

Ravana — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:13:27 +0000

DQ, This might be helpful. http://www.u.arizona.edu/~lkenwor/indv102poorredstatesandrichbluestates.pdf

By: Earl

Earl — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 02:23:29 +0000

Huan: Glad to have your voice in the BookwormRoom…stick around and contribute to the conversation.

Especially if you have other insights like this one. Once I read what you wrote, it seemed obvious – but I hadn’t thought of it on my own.

Good work.

2016 is going to be fascinating!

By: Huan

Huan — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 01:52:15 +0000

@cheesestick

a good sales pitch is both educative and entertaining. the target audience do not need to understand economic to be influenced to believe your product is better.

btw,
In retrospect I think we should all foreseen an Obama reelection. In 2008 Obama got elected not based on the Democratic platform, Obama got elected as a person. There was a cult of personality around Obama. Though diminished some, that cult of personality remains in 2012. Thus it did not matter that Obama lied about Benghazi or Romney. Thus it did not matter that the economy remains as bad today as it was when he took office. Thus it did not matter that he broke so many promises. To his followers he was their guy, and their vote was his. Loyal fans route for their team even in losing season.

The Democrats should not assume the turn out in 2008 and 2012 will be duplicated in 2016. It wasn’t about the Democratic turnout, it was the Obama turnout.

By: Danny Lemieux

Danny Lemieux — Wed, 07 Nov 2012 22:37:44 +0000

I would have to agree with Spartacus, DQ. This isn’t about messaging. You can’t argue with someone on the basis of “reason” when all of their reason tells them that they will get free “stuff” by voting Democrat. This is not a debate about ideas but a one-way conversation about peoples’ underlying motives.

I don’t think anything is going to change until people learn the hard way that there is no more free stuff. As the Greeks are finding out, that is a very painful process. They will wail and gnash their teeth, but eventually reality reasserts itself. Only then will people be open to change…real change. Let it happen.

By: Earl

Earl — Wed, 07 Nov 2012 22:19:51 +0000

Seriously, USMaleSF?

I suspect that you’ll find “racial solidarity” voting rejected here……good try, though.

Consider that if the same people who voted for McCain in 2008 had come out and voted for Romney yesterday, we’d be celebrating VP Paul Ryan today.

We don’t have to get into any sort of race thing to explain what happened.

By: USMaleSF

USMaleSF — Wed, 07 Nov 2012 22:14:46 +0000

Whites continue to be the most foolish people on the planet.

Even though we still constitute 72% of those who vote and 2/3 of our country, if we voted in a racial or ethnic block –like every other racial and ethnic group– we would still control it.

If, instead of 59% of the White vote going to Romney, 80%+ had gone to him, matching the Democrat blockvoting habits of Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Jews, gays, etc. we might have some reprieve from our national dissolution.

These people are bonded to the Democrat Multicultural Nanny State. No “conservative” arguments will move them. You might as well try selling monarchy to Texans.

First Thoughts: Obama’s demographic edge :

But the way that we have allowed The Game to be set up, we are the only group in American utterly forbidden from even thinking about our own interests or power.

Any assertion of White self-interest is instantaneously classed as racist and banned from the room. And by Whites first and most of all.

Liberalism –of the leftist or conservative variety– is indeed the ideology of Western suicide.

By: Bookworm Room » Conservatives need a new ground game

Bookworm Room » Conservatives need a new ground game — Wed, 07 Nov 2012 21:56:46 +0000

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By: SADIE

SADIE — Wed, 07 Nov 2012 21:06:55 +0000

The effects of long-term drug use (entitlements) are never limited to the addict and can have substantial and devastating effects on the user’s families (country). These include eventually dissolving the family (electorate), emotional and financial injury to family members (all of us).

Progressives will not be opening a chain of Betty Ford Clinics to address the problem. Common sense is not covered under Obamacare.

By: Spartacus

Spartacus — Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:48:49 +0000

“First, we must get over this notion that anyone who disagrees with us is ignorant and immoral. Certainly, many on the left (especially in the leadership) are both of those things. But there are millions upon millions of highly moral people who simply disagree with us. Many of these people are open to being made less ignorant and persuaded to our cause.”

As a very generalized starting baseline for handling disagreements as we go through life, DQ, this is a very kind, generous, and intelligent approach. But in the case of this specific election, I simply cannot agree. While it is certainly true that not everyone who voted (D) is ignorant AND immoral, I struggle to think of anyone who is not ignorant OR immoral OR profoundly irrational. How does an informed, moral, and rational person say, “Well, I don’t think it’s fair that American drug dealers should be so well-armed while their Mexican counterparts go without,” or “You know, rule of law is really overrated,” or “I *totally* think Keynes would have approved of perpetual structural deficits in the trillions”? I’m just not getting that connection; it’s not even close.

My belief is that truth-seekers will ultimately find their way through the fog, no matter how thick; conversely, those who prefer to wrap themselves in a nice, warm fiction and go back to sleep cannot be dissuaded. But if you feel that all that is needed is a little more persuasion, then this is a marvelous opportunity for you to prove that you are correct. As informed and articulate as you are, if several 30-second TV spots in the blizzard of election-year disinformation could make a conservative out of a porridge-head, how much more then could that porridge-head be brought into the light by being contacted directly by you? If you can find a number of people who voted (D) last night and make solid converts of them, please let us know, and we will rejoice in the hope that the micro might possibly be scaled to the macro for the salvation of us all. In my experience, however, I spent about eight years on this approach with precious little to show for it.

I hope you’re right, but for my part, I will be more focused on learning how to supply my own water, food, and electricity off the grid, and not wasting much more of my time at all on persuasion. Been there, done that, got lots and lots of campaign T-shirts.