Comments on: An armed society is a civil society; a knifed and booted society is a dangerous one http://www.bookwormroom.com/2012/12/05/an-armed-society-is-a-civil-society-a-knifed-and-booted-society-is-a-dangerous-one/ Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts. Thu, 23 May 2013 06:22:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Bookworm Room » My deepest condolences to the people of Newton, Connecticut — but don’t let this make you give up your guns *UPDATED* http://www.bookwormroom.com/2012/12/05/an-armed-society-is-a-civil-society-a-knifed-and-booted-society-is-a-dangerous-one/comment-page-1/#comment-149700 Bookworm Room » My deepest condolences to the people of Newton, Connecticut — but don’t let this make you give up your guns *UPDATED* Fri, 14 Dec 2012 22:37:53 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=25482#comment-149700 [...] UPDATE:  If you want to go deeper into the data, here’s a Harvard Law Review debunking the connection between gun control and crime reduction.  Or just look at the statistics coming out of incredibly violent, gun-controlled England. [...]

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2012/12/05/an-armed-society-is-a-civil-society-a-knifed-and-booted-society-is-a-dangerous-one/comment-page-1/#comment-149465 Ymarsakar Sat, 08 Dec 2012 13:59:37 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=25482#comment-149465 Traffic cops will ticket you for that.

]]> By: Ron19 http://www.bookwormroom.com/2012/12/05/an-armed-society-is-a-civil-society-a-knifed-and-booted-society-is-a-dangerous-one/comment-page-1/#comment-149460 Ron19 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 12:21:16 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=25482#comment-149460 JohnC #26:

” Can I throw a bullet at the attacker? What if threw one really fast, say, about 1100 feet per second?”

I like the way you put that! 

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2012/12/05/an-armed-society-is-a-civil-society-a-knifed-and-booted-society-is-a-dangerous-one/comment-page-1/#comment-149452 Ymarsakar Sat, 08 Dec 2012 07:47:41 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=25482#comment-149452 Why would the Left, having never believed in an individual’s right to their own life, now suddenly want you to be able to live? They want you to do as you are told. When it conveniences, they will tell you to die, and in what manner. That is it in the Left’s Utopia.

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2012/12/05/an-armed-society-is-a-civil-society-a-knifed-and-booted-society-is-a-dangerous-one/comment-page-1/#comment-149451 Ymarsakar Sat, 08 Dec 2012 07:43:57 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=25482#comment-149451 Since slaves can’t carry weapons or serve as the police, indentured serfs with a debt like students can’t be expected to be armed. And if they are, we are to disarm them.

]]> By: Owen Glendower http://www.bookwormroom.com/2012/12/05/an-armed-society-is-a-civil-society-a-knifed-and-booted-society-is-a-dangerous-one/comment-page-1/#comment-149446 Owen Glendower Sat, 08 Dec 2012 05:19:51 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=25482#comment-149446 Ron19, #23
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I keep seeing, and believe, that if the victims in many murders had had a gun they might still be alive.
Of course, they might be dead anyway.
Except for one person’s guess about the Aurora theater shooting, I haven’t seen any one suggesting, let alone showing data, that if the victim or a bystander was armed, and shooting, more innocents would have died.
Comments, anyone?
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I’ve seen plenty of speculation that if a bunch of people in the Aurora audience had started firing back, things could have been much worse.  Perhaps.  We can only speculate.
 
But it’s a fact that at least three military veterans were in the audience at Aurora.  One of them died protecting his lady friend.  A pity they weren’t carrying.

]]> By: Owen Glendower http://www.bookwormroom.com/2012/12/05/an-armed-society-is-a-civil-society-a-knifed-and-booted-society-is-a-dangerous-one/comment-page-1/#comment-149444 Owen Glendower Sat, 08 Dec 2012 05:02:57 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=25482#comment-149444 “JohnC: I agree with you about the poster’s subliminal message. With those statistics, they’re actually claiming that America is a damned culture.”
 
Bookworm, with those “statistics,” the Brady Campaign poster is simply pandering to the ignorance of the reader.  So what if only 17 people were murdered in Finland by someone using a gun?  This “statistic” means nothing unless you consider Finland’s population and rate of gun ownership compared to that of the U.S.
 
Incidentally, the Harvard study I cited (p. 652) notes that Finland’s rate of gun ownership is relatively high…nearly 10 times higher than in Russia, for instance.  But Russia’s murder rate is 10 times higher than Finland’s.  Curious.

]]> By: Owen Glendower http://www.bookwormroom.com/2012/12/05/an-armed-society-is-a-civil-society-a-knifed-and-booted-society-is-a-dangerous-one/comment-page-1/#comment-149442 Owen Glendower Sat, 08 Dec 2012 04:25:14 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=25482#comment-149442 Ron19, #24
 
 ”For the last one, “ Consider a plan to tackle the shooter, take away his weapon, and hold him until police arrive.”   If the last resort is to be an armed defender, why can’t the student start out as an armed defender, and not waste time.“
 
Your comment of course makes perfect sense.
 
Not long ago, I was reading about one of the “concealed carry on campus” lawsuits…Colorado, perhaps.  One of the briefs filed in the case asked why someone who had fulfilled the requirements for a concealed-carry permit had to sacrifice his right to carry merely because he stepped onto a college campus.  Good question.

]]> By: Owen Glendower http://www.bookwormroom.com/2012/12/05/an-armed-society-is-a-civil-society-a-knifed-and-booted-society-is-a-dangerous-one/comment-page-1/#comment-149440 Owen Glendower Sat, 08 Dec 2012 02:59:49 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=25482#comment-149440 Danny 25
 
Thanks for the reply.  What I like most about the Harvard study is the way it demolishes the “conventional wisdom” endlessly repeated by gun-control advocates.
 
I have mixed feelings about the quotation you cite.  On one hand, I also feel that the two criminologists (by the way, they’re not from Harvard) are being too careful when they decline to conclude that “more guns=less crime” also applies to other countries.
 
On the other hand, you raise a critically important point about “culturally homogenous countries without violent subcultures.”  Those countries happily do not suffer from the ethnic divides we have in this country, not to mention the divides of class and poverty.  Gun ownership rates are high in these countries, but crime rates are low.
 
But these differences which you & I point out also mean that cross-country comparisons–such as those which the authors of the Harvard JLPP article are reluctant to make–are on shaky ground.
 
As was pointed out above, ““Suicide appears to be driven by something entirely different than the presence or absence of guns.”  To me, this is beyond dispute.  So why can we not also understand that violent crimes are not driven SOLELY by the presence or absence of guns?
 
 
 

]]> By: JohnC http://www.bookwormroom.com/2012/12/05/an-armed-society-is-a-civil-society-a-knifed-and-booted-society-is-a-dangerous-one/comment-page-1/#comment-149425 JohnC Sat, 08 Dec 2012 00:03:24 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=25482#comment-149425 Ron19-
 
Sad. Self-defense tactics created by pacifists.
 
As I was reading I thought “How about a bullet? Can I throw a bullet at the attacker? What if threw one really fast, say, about 1100 feet per second? Would that be cool?”

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