Comments on: Gun control supporters count those who have died; Second Amendment supporters count those who will live

By: Bookworm Room » Progressive myopia: Their theories discount what they cannot see

Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:47:15 +0000

[...] December 26, I wrote a post entitled “Gun control supporters count those who have died; Second Amendment supporters count those who will l…“ Or, as Bastiat says, gun control advocates’ “theory is confined to that which [...]

By: Call me Lennie

Call me Lennie — Sun, 30 Dec 2012 02:53:32 +0000

One minor quibble — Trayvon Martin, at 6′ and 160 lbs, is hardly “hulking” by modern standards for a teenager; he’s actually rather slight On the other hand, he is almost exactly the same dimensions as Thomas Hearns, one of the most devastating punchers in boxing history. And Martin apparently had very fast hands. So you don’t need to be a hulk to put a 200 lb man on the ground
This helps explain the whole incident and why, for instance, Martin was able to get Zimmerman in such desperate straits without finishing him off. He started off by shattering George’s nose and knocking him to the ground. But he couldn’t finish Zimmerman off because he was too light. George threw him off and in the process his gun was exposed. And the rest is controversy

By: Ron19

Ron19 — Sat, 29 Dec 2012 20:52:34 +0000

The fourth rule: Ridicule is the most potent weapon; it is almost impossible to counter-act.

By: Ymarsakar

Ymarsakar — Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:26:00 +0000

Well, why does police get benefits and immunity from breaking the laws, so that unions can get their dues, but at the same time the Left defunds police training and goes easy on crime…

The Left’s death cult was never sane to begin with, in more ways than is obvious.

By: Ron19

Ron19 — Fri, 28 Dec 2012 17:29:27 +0000

“Only a deranged person could come up with the lunatic idea of placing armed guards in schools.”

Then why do you call the (armed) police to come into the school as soon as possible after the shooting starts?

By: Ymarsakar

Ymarsakar — Fri, 28 Dec 2012 04:46:38 +0000

If the TSA and SEIU could get some jobs on those campuses, it would be different. But the kind of thug o cracy they create, doesn’t create a lot of basic security personnel or the training required for it. All that requires way too much time and risk.

By: Gringo

Gringo — Fri, 28 Dec 2012 03:41:45 +0000

Only a deranged person could come up with the lunatic idea of placing armed guards in schools.
I have taught in school districts with police in schools. With guns. Of course. The school districts were in cities that voted for Obama. I do not recall any examples of a campus policeman firing a gun. But the guns were there if needed.The better campus cops saw themselves as helping keep a finger on the pulse of the student body. You would be surprised at what students will tell the campus cops.
[I once read in the paper of a former student of mine who got shot in a drive-by outside a local high school. Fortunately, such cases are few and far between. But it shows that guns and schools are not mutually exclusive, no matter what some well-intentioned people may believe.]

By: Ymarsakar

Ymarsakar — Thu, 27 Dec 2012 22:29:22 +0000

““Yeah, you want to kill people.” ”

I don’t want to unnaturally discomfort your associates Book, but… do they actually realize that some of us don’t need guns or even external weapons to kill people as easily as that guy killed those kids with his borrowed guns?

Why exactly does anyone need a “gun” to kill, when there are almost as easy methods to do it bare handed. Perhaps their ignorance begs the question of what they actually know about guns or anything else for that matter.

They should be glad they’re talking to you, who at least care about convincing them, and are not normally confident of efficient lethal force without external implements. Wait until they realize that there’s a whole other world out there when it comes to who can kill, with what.

If people kept nagging me about the fact that I want to arm people with guns, by saying “I want to kill people using those guns”… I’m not exactly sure what they are smoking. “I” am not in particular desperate need of such things. It’s those 6 year olds, women, old elders, and what not, that need it. More than I do.

By: Ymarsakar

Ymarsakar — Thu, 27 Dec 2012 21:21:53 +0000

Ah, but the obvious question that comes up next is if the Left doesn’t care about ensuring more people live, then why are they concerned about controlling guns and the power that comes from being able to deal death conveniently?

Because it’s the Left… what do you think they’re here to do on planet Earth. They want the power to control who lives and who dies. It’s not so much that guns kill people that they are annoyed at, but the fact that non-Leftists are able to use guns to kill people the Left didn’t tell em to kill. That’s the problem. And until people realize that is the problem with the Left’s gun control plans, they won’t know what hits them when the Left brings out the next October surprise.
You ever talk about the number of people Obama killed sitting at his golf cart when the peeps in Afghanistan got bombed by unseen drones? Sight unseen, of course. So long as the power belongs to the Left, not bush, not you, not any pro America, it’s all good.

By: Ymarsakar

Ymarsakar — Thu, 27 Dec 2012 21:18:25 +0000

“ Zimmerman instantly vanished as a gun control topic.”

We’ll need more moral courage like that one there. Solid recognition for smashing the member supporters face with the truth. It required moral courage.

There’s plenty of us that are able to do the physical smashing, when needed, but we seem to be running fewer and fewer on those with spiritual and ethical spines.

“To them, the body count is the only data that counts.”

That’s because the body count is what the Left intends to increase and thus the only thing they need care about. Let’s not forget that.
“That data shows that outlawing guns results in more deaths is irrelevant to them.”

Or rather, not irrelevant but precisely the point of their goal.

“The one fact they know and accept with comfortable certainty is that those who have already died because of guns might still be alive today if those particular guns hadn’t been available on that day, in that time, at that place.”

As you’ve noticed the only statistics they care about is the number of people that die, not the number of people that were saved. So they don’t care about who might still be alive today.