Comments on: Pro-Second Amendment supporters dying — conspiracy or coincidence? *UPDATED* http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/02/10/pro-second-amendment-supporters-dying-conspiracy-or-coincidence/ Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts. Mon, 20 May 2013 23:31:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Ron19 http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/02/10/pro-second-amendment-supporters-dying-conspiracy-or-coincidence/comment-page-1/#comment-152203 Ron19 Tue, 12 Feb 2013 09:12:23 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=26648#comment-152203 Watching how well this “non-conspiracy” system works in education, is it any wonder that the Left is so against free-market capitalism?

]]> By: Mike Devx http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/02/10/pro-second-amendment-supporters-dying-conspiracy-or-coincidence/comment-page-1/#comment-152195 Mike Devx Tue, 12 Feb 2013 01:53:24 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=26648#comment-152195 Jose and Spartacus, thank you very much for the responses to my question in #11 about soldiers being allowed, or not allowed, to carry firearms.  I appreciate the info!
 

]]> By: Jose http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/02/10/pro-second-amendment-supporters-dying-conspiracy-or-coincidence/comment-page-1/#comment-152186 Jose Mon, 11 Feb 2013 21:14:01 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=26648#comment-152186 Mike D,
After a 20 year career in the AF I can tell you that I sometimes went years without handling a firearm, and then only for training. My experience was that only AF security policemen routinely carry firearms, with a loaded magazine in the weapon, chamber empty.

Non-security personnel would not be issued firearms, even in combat zones during wartime. Firearms would be in storage, not to be issued unless leadership knew they would be needed.

I’m sure the Army and Marines had different rules, especially in combat zone, but their job is to engage the enemy. In short, unless you expect to contact some bad guys, you aren’t issued a weapon. It was kind of scary at times…

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/02/10/pro-second-amendment-supporters-dying-conspiracy-or-coincidence/comment-page-1/#comment-152178 Ymarsakar Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:55:01 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=26648#comment-152178 “He claims that soldiers are required to be unarmed due to “safety issues”.”
 
As I mentioned before, it’s not a safety issue. It’s a paperwork issue. Paperwork on negligent discharges is… pretty bad, especially state side.

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/02/10/pro-second-amendment-supporters-dying-conspiracy-or-coincidence/comment-page-1/#comment-152177 Ymarsakar Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:53:03 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=26648#comment-152177 This is hilarious.
 
Whether it is true or not is immaterial. Because it will be true once evil reigns full force over the US.

]]> By: Spartacus http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/02/10/pro-second-amendment-supporters-dying-conspiracy-or-coincidence/comment-page-1/#comment-152176 Spartacus Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:49:39 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=26648#comment-152176 Devx — Sorry, a better reply:
 
Yes, stateside, soldiers are essentially disarmed, like those in the base hospital at Ft. Hood.
Deployed, soldiers are almost always armed, so that every time you read about another green-on-blue incident in Afghanistan, it ends, “… before the Afghan trainee was shot to pieces 4.3 seconds later by other US soldiers, having killed only one American.”

]]> By: Libby http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/02/10/pro-second-amendment-supporters-dying-conspiracy-or-coincidence/comment-page-1/#comment-152174 Libby Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:25:30 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=26648#comment-152174 I’m not 100% sold on this particular conspiracy theory, but I think like many who are not on the Left, we’re living in a time when just sort of thing would be possible. It’s the combination of:
A] An untested and unaccomplished president (whose own history is still unknown)
B] A White House team who have a track record of bullying, violating citizens’ Constitutional rights and acting outside of normal the established chain of command/oversight (e.g. Fast & Furious, Lisa Jackson’s shadow email accounts).
C] A completely compliant and often complicit media.

]]> By: Spartacus http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/02/10/pro-second-amendment-supporters-dying-conspiracy-or-coincidence/comment-page-1/#comment-152173 Spartacus Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:22:41 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=26648#comment-152173 Devx — Stateside, your friend is mostly correct.  Weapons are ubiquitous, but ammo is tightly restricted to the firing ranges — you don’t get ammo until you are in your foxhole with your weapon pointed downrange.  Deployed, that’s a way different story.  And it’s BS that Panetta is such a chicken**** that he wasn’t comfortable being around armed US troops, and even worse BS that US troops should ever have to be disarmed in a place like Afghanistan.  Attacks like the one at Camp Bastion happen, and troops must always have the ability to shoot back.

]]> By: Spartacus http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/02/10/pro-second-amendment-supporters-dying-conspiracy-or-coincidence/comment-page-1/#comment-152172 Spartacus Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:16:04 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=26648#comment-152172 Ditto what Mrs. Bookworm, JKB and lee said — not a specific, deep, dark, conspiracy here, but the general product of lefties being lefties and all generally agreeing on which direction they want to go.  It’s the confirmation bias they naturally get from living in an echo chamber and drinking their own bathwater, to serve up a plate of mixed metaphors.  Like when the town miscreant gets gunned down in the middle of town in broad daylight, with dozens of people around, and… nobody saw anything: only one guy was in on the “conspiracy,” but no one else is especially motivated to fill in the blanks in the police report.
 
The bit about leaving the rifle in the car is quite interesting, if true.  Hadn’t heard that.  But it’s not like the Jurassic Press has a stellar reputation for issuing corrections, especially ones that don’t fit the narrative.

]]> By: Mike Devx http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/02/10/pro-second-amendment-supporters-dying-conspiracy-or-coincidence/comment-page-1/#comment-152171 Mike Devx Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:13:40 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=26648#comment-152171 I’m looking for help and information here.
 
A friend of mine is on the left side of this gun control debate.  He made the claim this morning that the US military often does not allow its soldiers to be armed unless they are in “a combat situation”.  He claims that soldiers are required to be unarmed due to “safety issues”.
 
I’d always thought that on military bases throughout the world, including within the US, that our soldiers were usually armed with their rifles, AND when armed with a rifle, were supposed to be carrying magazines in pouches on their uniforms.
 
I also think of the incident where Panetta visited and spoke to our soldiers in a forward base in Afghanistan.  They were not in a combat situation.  And the soldiers to whom he spoke were required to leave their weapons outside.  So that would appear to me to be at least one case where soldiers regularly carry weapons AND magazines.
 
Can anyone tell me what the rules really are for soldiers on US military bases being allowed – or not allowed – to carry weapons and magazines?  When are they required to be unarmed?
 

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