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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/03/20/recovery-day-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-154010</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whether democracy is ruled by the lawyers or by the political class, it&#039;s merely a good natured way to convince people that they get a say. When in fact, they get no such thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether democracy is ruled by the lawyers or by the political class, it&#8217;s merely a good natured way to convince people that they get a say. When in fact, they get no such thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron19</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/03/20/recovery-day-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-154009</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 00:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Examples of an unjust justice system:
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2013/03/25/jailed-for-nonpayment-of-child-support--but-its-not-his-child-n1548325/page/full/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2013/03/25/jailed-for-nonpayment-of-child-support--but-its-not-his-child-n1548325/page/full/&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Examples of an unjust justice system:<br />
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<a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2013/03/25/jailed-for-nonpayment-of-child-support--but-its-not-his-child-n1548325/page/full/" rel="nofollow">http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2013/03/25/jailed-for-nonpayment-of-child-support&#8211;but-its-not-his-child-n1548325/page/full/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ron19</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/03/20/recovery-day-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-153983</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Saw the movies &quot;Outrage&quot; and &quot;Twelve Angry Men&quot; in the past week.  Then this morning, came across the Mike Adams article in Townhall.com &quot;Hoosier Daddy&quot; which details some real-life mistakes of the kind found in the two movies:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2013/03/18/hoosier-daddy-n1535505/page/full/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2013/03/18/hoosier-daddy-n1535505/page/full/&lt;/a&gt;
 
As a side light on this, a year ago,  I was summoned for juror duty, and in the initial round of juror selection, I was selected.  After some questioning by the judge and dismissing some of the selectees, he went into his routine of &quot;after all the evidence is presented and the summations made, then I will finally explain to you the law that is the basis of this case.  You must decide the case on what I explain to you and nothing else.&quot;  Having just watched the movie &lt;em&gt;Outrage&lt;/em&gt; I stuck up my hand and asked the judge &quot;What if I think the law is unjust?&quot;  He explained (lectured?) me that that didn&#039;t matter, I could only determine guilt or innocence based on the law as written, and he asked me if I could do that.  It seemed reasonable at the moment, so I said I thought I could.
 
Then I noticed that the prosecutor made a note on my Post-It on her jury sheet.  During her opportunity to ask questions of the prospective jurors, she asked me a question related to my question, and seemed satisfied with my answer.
 
After the lawyers&#039; questions, the judge dismissed several jurors, and then the lawyers started dismissing jurors.  I was dismissed by the prosecutor.
 
Since then, I&#039;ve thought about the jury vs. an unjust law occasionally.  One of the first things that occurred to me is that everyone from the person filing the charges to the Supreme Court can dismiss (not acquit) the defendant, everyone &lt;em&gt;except&lt;/em&gt; the jury, because they think there is something wrong with the law.  The only thing the jury is allowed to do is say that the defendant did not break the unjust law &lt;em&gt;as written&lt;/em&gt;.
 
One thing I&#039;ve decided from all this is that I will judge the defendant not guilty if I think the law or the justice system is guilty of being unjust in God&#039;s view/law.  I will not be breaking the oath the judge requires, because an unjust law is not a valid law, and can not be sworn to (so help me God).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw the movies &#8220;Outrage&#8221; and &#8220;Twelve Angry Men&#8221; in the past week.  Then this morning, came across the Mike Adams article in Townhall.com &#8220;Hoosier Daddy&#8221; which details some real-life mistakes of the kind found in the two movies:<br />
<a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2013/03/18/hoosier-daddy-n1535505/page/full/" rel="nofollow">http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2013/03/18/hoosier-daddy-n1535505/page/full/</a><br />
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As a side light on this, a year ago,  I was summoned for juror duty, and in the initial round of juror selection, I was selected.  After some questioning by the judge and dismissing some of the selectees, he went into his routine of &#8220;after all the evidence is presented and the summations made, then I will finally explain to you the law that is the basis of this case.  You must decide the case on what I explain to you and nothing else.&#8221;  Having just watched the movie <em>Outrage</em> I stuck up my hand and asked the judge &#8220;What if I think the law is unjust?&#8221;  He explained (lectured?) me that that didn&#8217;t matter, I could only determine guilt or innocence based on the law as written, and he asked me if I could do that.  It seemed reasonable at the moment, so I said I thought I could.<br />
 <br />
Then I noticed that the prosecutor made a note on my Post-It on her jury sheet.  During her opportunity to ask questions of the prospective jurors, she asked me a question related to my question, and seemed satisfied with my answer.<br />
 <br />
After the lawyers&#8217; questions, the judge dismissed several jurors, and then the lawyers started dismissing jurors.  I was dismissed by the prosecutor.<br />
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Since then, I&#8217;ve thought about the jury vs. an unjust law occasionally.  One of the first things that occurred to me is that everyone from the person filing the charges to the Supreme Court can dismiss (not acquit) the defendant, everyone <em>except</em> the jury, because they think there is something wrong with the law.  The only thing the jury is allowed to do is say that the defendant did not break the unjust law <em>as written</em>.<br />
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One thing I&#8217;ve decided from all this is that I will judge the defendant not guilty if I think the law or the justice system is guilty of being unjust in God&#8217;s view/law.  I will not be breaking the oath the judge requires, because an unjust law is not a valid law, and can not be sworn to (so help me God).<br />
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/03/20/recovery-day-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-153800</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fair share of the peasant class to be paid to the ruling class of Obamacans, not Americans, in Obamaca the nation ruled by Obama, shall not go below 50%.
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fair share of the peasant class to be paid to the ruling class of Obamacans, not Americans, in Obamaca the nation ruled by Obama, shall not go below 50%.<br />
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/03/20/recovery-day-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-153790</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see that in the House, the GOP budget came up for a vote, and the majority of Republicans voted against their own GOP-presented budget plan, presented by Paul Ryan.  Why would you create - and offer to vote on - a budget that the majority of members of your own party are going to vote against?  Unless someone offers me a convincing counter-argument, I view this as extremely ugly, and a severe blow against either Paul Ryan or John Boehner, or both of them.
 
(Almost all Democrats, tactically, voted &#039;Present&#039;, to force the GOP to pass it entirely on their own, which they did not.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that in the House, the GOP budget came up for a vote, and the majority of Republicans voted against their own GOP-presented budget plan, presented by Paul Ryan.  Why would you create &#8211; and offer to vote on &#8211; a budget that the majority of members of your own party are going to vote against?  Unless someone offers me a convincing counter-argument, I view this as extremely ugly, and a severe blow against either Paul Ryan or John Boehner, or both of them.<br />
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(Almost all Democrats, tactically, voted &#8216;Present&#8217;, to force the GOP to pass it entirely on their own, which they did not.)<br />
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		<title>By: SADIE</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/03/20/recovery-day-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-153786</link>
		<dc:creator>SADIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speaking of Steyn ... have you read this. It hit home for me. My Nana lived in Alexandria during WWI and remember her reminiscing about her youth one day. &quot;I could sit on the beach and hear a dozen different languages...&quot;  Her mother died in Alexandria. In those days, it didn&#039;t take much to kill you in a world without antibiotics. Almost a 100 years after the death of Nana&#039;s mother  ... the absence of an antibiotic to Islam the death rate reaches out beyond the shores of Alexandria.
&lt;a&gt;Ghost Cities :: SteynOnline&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.steynonline.com/5430/ghost-ci&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.steynonline.com/5430/ghost-ci&lt;/a&gt;...
 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Steyn &#8230; have you read this. It hit home for me. My Nana lived in Alexandria during WWI and remember her reminiscing about her youth one day. &#8220;I could sit on the beach and hear a dozen different languages&#8230;&#8221;  Her mother died in Alexandria. In those days, it didn&#8217;t take much to kill you in a world without antibiotics. Almost a 100 years after the death of Nana&#8217;s mother  &#8230; the absence of an antibiotic to Islam the death rate reaches out beyond the shores of Alexandria.<br />
<a>Ghost Cities :: SteynOnline</a><br />
<a href="http://www.steynonline.com/5430/ghost-ci" rel="nofollow">http://www.steynonline.com/5430/ghost-ci</a>&#8230;<br />
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/03/20/recovery-day-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-153783</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Sadie, SultanKnish nails it!  That was written so well.  So many wonderfully expressed phrases/sentences/paragraphs.  It&#039;s Mark-Steyn caliber material.  I urge everyone to read it.
 
The better link to use for that particular blog entry is:
http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/03/all-roads-lead-to-cyprus.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Sadie, SultanKnish nails it!  That was written so well.  So many wonderfully expressed phrases/sentences/paragraphs.  It&#8217;s Mark-Steyn caliber material.  I urge everyone to read it.<br />
 <br />
The better link to use for that particular blog entry is:<br />
<a href="http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/03/all-roads-lead-to-cyprus.html" rel="nofollow">http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/03/all-roads-lead-to-cyprus.html</a><br />
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		<title>By: SADIE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SADIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 05:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike, be sure to read &quot;All Roads leads to Cypress&quot;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, be sure to read &#8220;All Roads leads to Cypress&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: SADIE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SADIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 05:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike - Cyprus is a banking satelite of Russia. It seems, from what I&#039;ve read, that 50% of the deposits are from the Russians who bank in Cyprus to avoid the Russian tax code (whatever that implies - didn&#039;t know they had any codes). Russia bailed out the Cypriot banks a couple of years ago and &quot;surprise surprise&quot; the banks are still short.  Under pressure from Germany, EU, IMF and without discussing the tax with Putin - the sh*t hit the fan. What makes this entire scenario more interesting is that Francine Legarde&#039;s home was raided by French authorities this week.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21858531&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.&lt;strong&gt;bbc.co.uk&lt;/strong&gt;/&lt;strong&gt;news&lt;/strong&gt;/world-europe-21858531&lt;/a&gt;  
 
The question on everyone&#039;s lips is, &quot;Who came up with this idea and why&quot; and the first thought that came to mind - it&#039;s a trial-run to gauge the reaction of depositors.
 
If the rant (NSFW) from this British cabbie driver is any indication ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/5minute_arguments/if_they_can_take_the_mone.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Great Effin&#039; Rant of the Week So Far: &quot;If they can take the money from Cyprus, they can do it anywhere - do you get that in your nut?&quot;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/5minute_arguments/if_they_can_take_the_mone.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; Cyprus is a banking satelite of Russia. It seems, from what I&#8217;ve read, that 50% of the deposits are from the Russians who bank in Cyprus to avoid the Russian tax code (whatever that implies &#8211; didn&#8217;t know they had any codes). Russia bailed out the Cypriot banks a couple of years ago and &#8220;surprise surprise&#8221; the banks are still short.  Under pressure from Germany, EU, IMF and without discussing the tax with Putin &#8211; the sh*t hit the fan. What makes this entire scenario more interesting is that Francine Legarde&#8217;s home was raided by French authorities this week.<br />
<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21858531" rel="nofollow">www.<strong>bbc.co.uk</strong>/<strong>news</strong>/world-europe-21858531</a> <br />
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The question on everyone&#8217;s lips is, &#8220;Who came up with this idea and why&#8221; and the first thought that came to mind &#8211; it&#8217;s a trial-run to gauge the reaction of depositors.<br />
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If the rant (NSFW) from this British cabbie driver is any indication ..<a href="http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/5minute_arguments/if_they_can_take_the_mone.php" rel="nofollow">Great Effin&#8217; Rant of the Week So Far: &#8220;If they can take the money from Cyprus, they can do it anywhere &#8211; do you get that in your nut?&#8221;</a><br />
<a href="http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/5minute_arguments/if_they_can_take_the_mone.php" rel="nofollow"> </a></p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 03:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Thank you, Michael Adams.  I appreciate that.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Michael Adams.  I appreciate that.</p>
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