How to Talk to a Liberal If You Really Want to Change His Mind

Thomas Lifson finds amusing my reports of conversations with the liberals surrounding me.  He therefore suggested I write an article on the subject, which I did, and which he was kind enough to run today.  The following is my article, courtesy of American Thinker:

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Many of us have friends, family and colleagues who still cling to liberalism, and worship at the Obama altar. Usually, they are not bad people.  They’re neither stupid nor pusillanimous — they’re just shockingly ill-informed, having received a lifetime of news and opinions solely from the liberal media.

We want to enlighten our friends, not offend them, and the fact is that one cannot simultaneously insult and persuade people.  Ann Coulter, author of How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must): The World According to Ann Coulter,  is an entertainer — and a good one, too — but she is not a persuasive advocate of conservative principles for those who are not already true believers.

So how do you talk to liberals if you want them to begin thinking logically, not emotionally, about issues?  Insults are counterproductive, factual barrages are boring, and most people get defensive when they feel you’re attacking their values.  Nevertheless, here are a few ways to find the chink in a liberal’s intellectual armor and, possibly, effect a sea change in his thinking.

1.  Understand what a liberal perceives as insulting — and then avoid it.

We’re all agreed that people are going to shut down if you start a conversation by calling them blithering idiots.  In any event, you’re too nice a person to call your family, friends and colleagues names.

Be aware, though, that, with liberals, personal insults don’t stop with the actual person (or his mother).  For liberals, the political is personal.  This means that liberals will take it as a personal insult, not only if you call them morons, but also if you call their leaders morons.

While conservatives spent eight years hearing “Bush lied, people died” or “Cheney is evil”, responding with reasoned facts aimed at real dialogue, even the nicest liberals don’t operate that way.  If you open a conversation by saying, “Pelosi is an idiot,” or “Obama is the Manchurian candidate,” you can expect tears, yelling or a punch in the nose.  Any persuasive conversation will be over before it’s begun.

2.  Show that you are sympathetic to the liberal’s goals.

The best way to start a conversation with a liberal is by speaking liberal language.  Show that you think that the person’s ultimate goal is admirable or that you recognize the person’s concerns.

A perfect conversation starter might be “Gosh, universal healthcare would really be great.”  The beauty of this statement is that, in a perfect Star Trek-style world, free of money and greed, it’s true that free, comprehensive healthcare, preferably with Dr. Beverly Crusher’s magical little tricorder device, would be great.  It would also be really great if all men looked like Dave Beckham or all women like looked like Angelina Jolie.  It’ll never happen, but it sure would be great.

Another honest conversation starter is “My kids are really worried about global warming.”  If your kids go to public school, this statement is absolutely true.  It also implies, without actually saying so, that you, like all liberals, recognize that humans, especially American, are responsible for the imminent destruction of earth’s atmosphere.

With conversation starters such as these, your average liberal will begin the conversation by agreeing with you — and, as every con man knows, you want the mark to get used to saying “yes” to you.  Interestingly, what works for con men can also work for honest brokers.  It’s a good technique, so use it.

3.  Provide the liberal with facts from non-threatening sources.

In many conversations over the years, I’ve discovered that my liberal friends don’t have many politically relevant facts at their finger tips.  Liberals know, for example, that “prisoners were waterboarded at Gitmo.”  The details behind this ultimate fact tend to elude them.  Most don’t realize that only three high level Al Qaeda operatives were ever waterboarded.  Nor do they know that the waterboarding took place in the immediate wake of 9/11, when we had almost no information about Al Qaeda’s networks and feared an imminent, and even greater, second attack.

Mostly, though, liberals know conclusions, which they erroneously identify as facts.  For example, they know that huge numbers of Americans have no medical care; they know that Obama was a top student at every school he attended; and despite their support for the military, they know that most American troops are ill-educated, violent hicks.  As it happens, each of these statements is factually wrong (see here, herehere) and, instead, reflects only an emotional conclusion.

In any conversation with a liberal, therefore, you need to get out the facts.  But remember:  In pursuit of this goal, attribution is everything.  Never say to a liberal that you heard something on Rush’s show.  This is true even if the fact originated with a liberal Rush was interviewing.  Mention Rush and your conversation is over.  Finito.  Done.  Your liberal will shut down.

Instead, always attribute your fact to a comforting source.  I like to say, “You know, I read in the New York Times that [insert actual fact].”  The beauty of this approach is that the fact may often be found in the New York Times, although it will have been buried in a squiblet at the bottom of page B32, where no one looks.  If your friends googles your fact, voila!, she’ll get a link to the Times.

Alternatively, attribute your fact to an unnamed knowledgeable, but unthreatening, source.  If you’re talking about health insurance, and you want to talk about the cost differential between insurance in Texas (a low regulation state) and California (a high regulation) state, say that you got this information from a claims adjuster you met at a party.  You’ve gained credibility and the curious liberal can later find corroboration on the internet.

4.  Don’t lecture; instead, seek enlightenment.

When conversing with a liberal, I channel my inner dumb blond.  I don’t use a barrage of facts, nor do I lecture.  Instead, I assert politely that I’ve learned the fact and then I ask the liberal to explain to me what the fact means.  I do this even if I know perfectly well what the fact means.  (And yes, women can do this more easily than men.)

A good example of this approach in action is universal health care.  After you’ve said, “Gosh, universal healthcare would be really great,” you should then follow-up with several “please enlighten me, Oh Great One” questions.

Thus, you might say, “England has managed care doesn’t it?  It’s so funny, but I just read in the New York Times that there’s a dentist shortage in England, so people are pulling out their own teeth.  Are you sure that won’t happen here?”  This will either lead to bluster, an insult to British oral hygiene, or a good conversation about how important competition is to entice the best and the brightest into a profession and to keep innovation alive.

Another useful fact/loaded question is this one:  “Someone told me that universal health care is kind of like social security — it works best when there aren’t a lot of old people, ‘cause they’re the most expensive.  I wasn’t sure about that.  What do you think?”  When your liberal starts waffling on, throw into the conversation how you read that, in England, they’re discussing euthanizing elderly demented patients, because their care is too expensive.

If you just keep politely throwing in unpleasant facts, followed up by respectful requests for enlightenment, your average liberal will either become tongue-tied, or, if intelligent, work his way through to the correct answer.  With managed care, for example, he might conclude that, if you remove all competition and have only one provider, rationing begins, quality plummets, good people pull out of the system, and people suffer and die.

5.  Strike when the iron is hot.

To have a successful conversation with a liberal, you need to find an opening that triggers a thought cascade in that particular liberal.  Even though liberals are beginning to have buyer’s remorse, human nature means they’re just as likely to be in denial and defensive as they are to be regretful and receptive.  Still there are conversational opportunities, and you must seize them.

I recently visited a die-hard Democrat who had just received her copy of Time Magazine, which had a picture of Michelle Obama on the cover.  Now, my friend happens to be very beauty conscious so, in a completely non-hostile way, I scanned the cover and said, “I don’t know.  She’s a nice looking lady, but I don’t get why all the news stories keep describing her as beautiful.”

I had opened the floodgates.  Just like the courtiers in The Emperor’s New Clothes, this friend had been trying to convince herself that Michelle was beautiful — and she couldn’t.  Finally, though, in response to the media’s implicit question of “Who’re you going to believe — me, or your lying eyes?” my friend, with a sigh of relief, could go with her own eyes.  I hastened the eye-opening process by showing her Sally Quinn’s ridiculous Mother’s Day article about Michelle’s arms, which left my friend reeling.  For the first time ever, my friend is beginning to suspect that she’s been had.

6.  Don’t undo the good you’ve done.

And if it ever happens that, after you’ve spoken with a liberal, the liberal actually agrees with you, just be sure to avoid one of the most poisonous phrases in the English language:  “I told you so.”  Instead, quietly agree with your friend’s wonderful insights, and have another conversation on another day.

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  1. billm99uk says

    It’s so funny, but I just read in the New York Times that there’s a dentist shortage in England, so people are pulling out their own teeth.

    That’s an exaggeration to make a good story. What they mean is that there’s a lack of NHS (i.e. government) dentists, who have severely restricted charges (and are actually free for most customers since they’re retirees or benefit claimants.) You’re perfectly free to go to a private dentist, it’ll just cost you more.

    Not to say the service hasn’t been rubbish in the last few years. When my old NHS dentist died a couple of years ago I looked around for one in my home town and couldn’t find any that were taking new clients, NHS or private. The nearest one doing so was 50 miles away, which probably doesn’t sound like much if you live in Arizona or something, but in the UK, it’s a LONG way away, trust me!

  2. Oldflyer says

    Thank you Book. I can clearly see that I have been going at this all wrong. In fact if you do not object, I will send this column to all Liberal family members and my few Liberal friends (you don’t get to choose family members) to show them that I now have greater understanding of their psyche.

    I will no longer call Obama and selected Senators morons. Actually, in the case of Obama, I have already transitioned to the descriptive–Charlatan.

    I am sure I will be much more effective in the future.

  3. says

    With conversation starters such as these, your average liberal will begin the conversation by agreeing with you — and, as every con man knows, you want the mark to get used to saying “yes” to you.

    *Nods head* Yep.

    The best way to start a conversation with a liberal is by speaking liberal language.

    Stealth, surprise, and superior firepower will produce a crushing victory. Not just a “tie” or a “sorta of victory”, but a victory nobody can contest, not the defeated, not the dead, and not the living either.

    Sneak it in, then blow it up. They won’t ever know what hit them. SpecOps doctrine.

    Your liberal will shut down.

    The conscience redactor has now started scrubbing the memory rows and conducting a full hard drive reformat and erasure.

    When conversing with a liberal, I channel my inner dumb blond.

    That’d be something to see. Although, of course, I’ve done similar cloak and dagger tradecraft before. Hide under the radar, so you can scout out enemy weaknesses, then call in the real firepower on enemy positions.

    When my old NHS dentist died a couple of years ago I looked around for one in my home town and couldn’t find any that were taking new clients, NHS or private.

    That is funny, because what that means is

    What they mean is that there’s a lack of NHS (i.e. government) dentists

    There is a shortage of private dentists as well, because they’re both in the same government run economy for medical care.

    You’re perfectly free to go to a private dentist, it’ll just cost you more.

    When they are not available, I doubt you can call that “freedom” to go along a route closed. And I do not believe it has become any better in the years.

  4. says

    to show them that I now have greater understanding of their psyche.

    I do not detect whether you are joking or not, but telling your opponent your game play rules is about as effective as trying to defeat terrorists by giving them our exact interrogation guidelines.

    The key is secrecy and surprise and there is no surprise if the Left knows about it beforehand.

  5. suek says

    “If you open a conversation by saying, “Pelosi is an idiot,” or “Obama is the Manchurian candidate,” you can expect tears, yelling or a punch in the nose. ”

    How about “Pelosi lied”?

  6. Danny Lemieux says

    Interesting, Book, that so many of the objections to your proposed technique in the American Thinker blog assume that you propose a “one side fits all” response, rather than using this technique selectively depending upon the audience…which is how I read it, anyway.

  7. billm99uk says

    Strikes me as the logical consequence of trying to sell a list of essentially “feminine” strategies to a bunch of guys (and American guys at that).

  8. Charles Martel says

    I’m in the middle here. I understand Book’s desire to make converts by using superior intellect and tactics, and I try to do the same with some of my liberal peers, including my wife.

    On the other hand, I remember the wise advice given to the apostles in the New Testament. When you meet somebody who is caught up in invincible ignorance, call it a day—”shake the dust off your feet and move on.”

    At that point you are in Ymarsakar territory. It’s best to quietly arm and supply yourself, and always be prepared for the breakdown or moral and mental order that the left is so intent on bringing about.

  9. MaxEntropy says

    I commend you for outlining reasonable approaches to changing the minds of liberals. Unfortunately it can’t be done as I’ve written elsewhere (*). It’s my belief that one’s political views are largely innate & genetic and no more amenable to change than one’s eye color. Force of argument won’t do it. A relatively few individuals will switch allegiances but they are usually those who’ve come to see who they’ve really been all along. Just don’t waste time on the idealogues.

    (*) http://maxentropy.squarespace.com/blog/2009/4/6/politics-and-the-bicameral-brain.html

  10. says

    As a neocon myself, Max, I have to believe it can be done. Sometimes we’re just tilling the soil, preparing it for the seed that drops. Sadly, too, sometimes that seed is two airplanes and two towers.

  11. says

    I’ve just read the comments, Book. Be prepared for my response, for I hope to cheer you up against the seemingly negative and ignorant tones of the response to your American Thinker article.

    You gave a lot of help to those Classical Liberals that have defected from the fake side to the true side of human rights and dignity. Don’t let anyone else ever tell you different, Book.

    My comment is in moderation over at the AT site, but I’ll reproduce it here.

    I mock and ridicule them every chance I get, and I insult their favored politicians, too, with such comments as “Crypt Keeper Pelosi” ,”President Pantywaist”, “Hairplug”, etc. Their hypocritical indignation amuses me.-Even Steven

    You forget that it was not their insults that won the vote for Obama. It was Saul Alinsky’s tactics, Mao’s guerrilla warfare manual, and the basic Frankfurt School of social destabilizaton and cultural deconstruction that converted entire generations of Americans into Leftists, fake liberals, and Obama voters.

    The insults were simply the inevitable result of the cultural infusion of Marxist social revolutionary rhetoric and principles. You cannot adopt their means without understanding what those means were designed to strategically accomplish. That is not going to win against the Left.

    That which you would not have done to yourself, do not do to another. Can anyone honestly claim to believe that they themselves would want a close friend or family member of differing views to be stalking them with the disguised intent of influencing their thinking? Would YOU want someone to behave this way toward you? -Teleo

    So sayeth the pacifist to the warmonger, the serial rapist, the child molestor, the mass murderer. It did not work then, it will not work now here under a different guise.

    Your theological underpinings are watery and devoid of soulful consideration. Their logic inevitably results in Mao’s purges and Stalin’s expansionist escalations.

    People are exposed to propaganda and deception the moment they hear a commercial, a sales pitch, or a slightly slanted news report that focused one aspect while defocusing another. They see and are exposed to it in their daily memos, email correspondences, and snail mail when they are sent material that bolsters the sender’s goals while not particularly being mindful about bolstering the competition’s views.

    The message here, the suggestion even, that the best way would be to ignore such aspects of psychological warfare in hopes that it will go away because “you don’t want it done to you” is not a mature perspective on the modern world.

    You don’t like war, but war will like you very much. You don’t like poverty, but the have nots and the rich exploitive classes like Gore and Kennedy will like keeping you in poverty very much. You don’t like violence, crime, and being made into a tax slave and serf, but violent criminals and thugish oligarchs will love to make you into their slaves.

    The defense of one’s morality, spirit, loved ones, and basic ethical principles standing this nation on its two legs are not conducted by the well wishes of the ignorant, the foolish, or the blind.

    Those who refuse to learn propaganda will not be resistant to enemy Leftist propaganda. Those who refuse to learn the religion and beliefs of the Islamic enemies of America will not be able to devise stratagems able to defeating Islam. Those that are proud of their ignorance on matters of Leftist social revolutionary theory and hateful Alinsky rhetorical styles are doing their fellow citizens and tax payers no good at all.

    Anyone who thought that they can continue in the “intellectual debate” matter of facts and “logic” with the Left are under the delusion the Bush administration was under when they went to the UN and trusted in Democrats and State Department operatives to make Iraq into a democracy by working Hand in Hand with the Bush Administration. This is not a debate. This is a war and it is a war declared upon one side of America by another side of America. It is not about winning points, it is about winning hearts and minds, by controlling the loyalties of the people. Classical counter-insurgency and guerrilla warfare.

    If people on the conservative side have refused to learn the lessons of Iraq, be assured that the Leftists certainly know how to terrorize an indigenous population from their dear leaders, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Saddam, Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, and so forth even if you do not know how. They will do so, as you turn your head blindly against the obvious and they will thank you for your consideration for their sadistic enjoyment in the slaughter of innocents.

    Bookworm– I thought this was a terrrific article and am amazed at how few people who have commented here got it. In fact, I wonder if I have been wrong to attribute the vulgar, hateful tone of so much of our public discourse mainly to liberals.-Lily

    I am, perhaps, not quite as amazed. I have studied the enemies and targets of the Left at the same time I studied the Left’s machinations both over the years on Iraq and in the centuries before. What I saw was a pretty downright incomprehension and lack of utilization of basic psychological warfare tools by the Right, both its base and its political leaders and spokesmen (Coulter included). They still think it is an “intellectual debate” and that it is about “changing people’s minds with facts”. It is not a debate. It is about loyalty and directed manipulation/control of the behaviors and thoughts of others.

    In the hands of a mass murder, such tools and goals can be used to create a totalitarian system that creates cruelty unbridled. In the hands of something like the United States Marine Corp and under the Bush Administration, such tools could have been used to alleviate the greatest suffering of the Iraqis, from both domestic insecurity, foreign terrorist attacks, and internal tribal and political strife. As it was, the US military came upon such tools late in the game, by the hand and mind of Petraeus, and it worked miracles precisely because it had not been used before. It had not been considered even.

    I’ve repeatedly cited wqhat SHOULD be “non-threatening sources” in that I have had to respond to liberal-cited sources such as Daily Kos, Anderson Cooper, Bill Maher and the like with actual sources such as newspapers, magazines, news agencies and other EMPIRICALLY-based sources, and the response of the liberal true-believer is a deaf ear and more citings from the left-wing blogosphere. -Gary

    Propaganda and psychological warfare is not about “empirical” sources. You are still treating this as if it was some sort of intellectual debate. To change the beliefs and behaviors of targets, you must find their levers and use them. This differs from individual to individual, movement to movement, and it has nothing to do with the “truth” although the truth can often ostensibly be the most powerful weapon around, if only becaues it requires less complexity than deception and misinformation.

    The commenters who object to these techniques are the reason why conservatives are unable to preach to anyone but the choir-Another Crypto Conservative

    Of course this is so. The refusal to see how Arabs think from their view is a blind spot on the anti-American side who believe you can treat with Arabs the way you treat with civilized folks. But that’s not really true, for Arabs have an entirely different cultural template that you must first understand before you can start talking or dealing with them. The fact that only a small percentage of conservatives were Leftist or fake liberal originally, is why the conservative party is so weak in terms of convincing certain segments of the American public on key philosophical and policy platforms. You cannot defeat an enemy until you understand an enemy. People have opened their mouths and let their sources pour in soup containing the dangers or non-dangers of Islam, but what I see here is that conservatives and independents continue to ignore the study of social revolutionary authors such as Mao and Saul Alinsky.

    People ignore such leaders of the Left at the peril of the entire American experiment. Do you think simply refusing to study the enemy will make them into a friend? That this will cause them to stop their destruction, theft, and rape of America’s treasure and the centuries old patriotic sacrifices of ancient Americans? Of course not.

    One trait I find common among liberals I know is that they are incredibly misinformed on nearly every subject. The MSM is powerful in their lives. They’re also easily influenced. A couple of incisive statements and questions about global warming, fiscal policy, or health insurance and you can have them nodding in total agreement. Economics, especially, is counter-intuitive and requires common-sense rationale. They too can ‘get it.’ They respond to the truth. Problem is, they will be re-programmed the following week by media headlines. -Paul from SA

    Another person that gets it, because he has personal experience with reality. Rather than the internet “theory” of our fellow Republicans concerning how to “convince” or “debate” Democrats. The Republican argument methods have worked well from 2003 to 2008, if I may say so with sarcasm de jure. It wasn’t just Bush that was the problem, you know.

    I call them the Squishy Middles whose political leanings agree with the last person with whom they spoke.-Pam C

    An apt description, although many people of the Democrat persuasion are only Democrats because the only people they have known in their life have been Democrats. Black families are one example. People in Berkley, another.

    This primer will not work on Left-Wingers, but is entirely perfect for Liberals. Liberals are always short of accurate facts. - political hack

    That is because in any ideology or organization, there will be the leaders, intellectual or spiritual, and then there will be the foot soldiers, the cannon fodder or expendable tools. Liberals in this sense, are the tools and cannon fodder, while the media pundits like Jesse Jackson and political leaders like Obama or PillowC are the ones calling the shots, mostly. And then there are those in the shadows, the puppet masters, like george Soros.

    Study the Jonestown episode in detail, not just with references to the “Kool Aide” and you will understand that convincing Jones of anything would be futile. Convincing his cult members, however, is another thing entirely. Convincing them and actually getting them out alive from the Leftist con man trap, however, is even more difficult.

    This is applied Socratic method and is a proven way of getting your audience to think. -Thoughtful

    First you got to get conservatives to think, and not just knee jerk react to the Obama demoralization campaign, or the Shock and Theft campaign, or the Fake Liberal “redistribution” of wealth and personal assassination crusade. You got to get conservatives to start thinking like their enemies, but conservatives don’t want to think like their enemies because they don’t want to become their enemies. Conservatives are too nice, or they are too tired, or they are too focused on Islam. This is very simple and easy for Classical Liberals, for they were often in the Democrat party to begin with. Not so for conservatives that never voted Democrat, were never part of the Leftist social revolution of the 60s, or had never had a personal revelation and ephiphany concerning the emotional and psychological manipulation successes of the Left.

    The most fervent anti-Communist you will ever see, someone who knows exactly how the Communists works, are ex-Communists. Which is why the Soviet Union had orders to execute all Liberal, Leftist, agent provocateurs, or other such members once the Union had taken power after the destabilization caused by such Lunny Left Activists. Why? Because they knew that these social malcontents, once they truly understood what Communism was going to do to them, would rebel and use all that they had learned about Communism, against the Communists. That could not be tolerated, so they were scheduled to be the first ones put up against the wall and shot, after the ruling status quo had been eliminated, of course.

    If Americans want their country and their rule of law back, they had better start paying attention to the lessons of the successful counter-insurgency (COIN) strategy employed in Iraq by Petraeus, on the orders and authorization of Bush and Cheney. Bush was wrong for a long time, until he got hammered straight by those who knew how to actually get things done. The question is, who is going to do this for the multitude of conservatives, Republicans, and independents? Petraeus isn’t going to come knocking on your door and teach you COIN personally. You are going to have to learn for yourself. That should not be a problem, should it.

    I hope I don’t have to remind conservatives or those that call themselves Republicans that General Petraeus and the Bush Administration was able to successfully convince wannabe American killers in the Sunni Triangle to become our allies, not our enemies. If that can be done, and it was done with the Sons of Iraq, who are you to say that the Americans in LaLaland can be ignored? Republicans and conservatives need to get their head out of the sand if they want to adapt to the new war on wealth and liberty marching on their door steps.

    Then again, you can always disarm yourselves and surrender, if the alternative is too “hard”.

  12. says

    My advice to you, Book, is to ignore the ignorant naysayers. They don’t know what they are talking about. They failed propaganda 101, assuming they ever tried to take it. They don’t get it. They don’t want to get it.

    I value propaganda because it is an amazingly useful tool. It does not depend upon politics, for it works on Republicans or Democrats. Propaganda targets humans, and all you need to be is to be human to be vulnerable to propaganda. Thus it is insane and amazingly lackadaisical for anyone, Left or RIght, to claim that the study and use of propaganda is not something they need concern themselves with. This is as important, if not more important, than keeping enhanced interrogation methods open and progressive with respect to captured terrorist operatives.

    For anyone that is even slightly interested in understanding where Book is coming from or just want more background on the topic, I simply recommend to you to do one thing. Study Petraeus’ COIN and how it worked in Al Anbar. That’s it. That’s all you need, assuming you know how to think for yourself and don’t need somebody else (like me) to tell you what to think, how to think, and when to think it.

    The Left are full of people that require just that, and I am not against giving them what they need so long as it serves my own purposes and not their national suicide and binge drinking.

    I do not agree with all the tactics Book or even Neo has engendered and described. There is no reason why I should. If any two operators or propaganda students ever agreed on ANY set of tactics, they had better check to see if they are being mind controlled. And I am being deliberately non-vulgar in the terminology.

    If anybody had ever agreed completely with my own personal set of standards and proposals, the same would also be true ; )

    There is also my own attempt to educate the general population on the methodologies and philosophy of propaganda and psychological warfare. But it is rather long and is more of a detailed technical work than a work of persuasion and argument.

    Link

    One of the funniest parts of the comment section is when a former therapist replied to you, Book, and started writing about how your methodology (not your specific tactics necessarily) were used by therapists to create a therapeutic solution via the exposure of the patient’s own inner problems through self-revelation and introspection. The therapist made a point that it wasn’t to hurt people or attack them, but to help them.

    Well, that wasn’t why I studied psychology or listened aptly to Neo or Shrink or Dr. Sanity as they described their therapy patients. I say it is funny because it is an incredibly ironic counter-point to my own post titled “Therapists and non-Therapist”. Here is a therapist, and here I stand as the non-therapist.
    And perhaps here you stand as well, Book, given your methodology, which categorically recognizes the basic nature of human nature and utilizes that knowledge to produce wisdom and social behavioral modifications.

    If more people gave as much thought as you and Neo have given to human thoughts and emotions, how they can be manipulated for good or ill, the Republican party would have a much better image in the eyes of America. And that would only be the least of such benefits.

  13. suek says

    >>So sayeth the pacifist to the warmonger, the serial rapist, the child molestor, the mass murderer. It did not work then, it will not work now here under a different guise.>>

    So sayeth the Alinskyite – “make them live up to their own rules.”

    “…Would YOU want someone to behave this way toward you?”

    This is a “shaming” statement. Hence the “make them live up to their own rules”. No pacifist/warmonger connection. Strictly Alinsky.

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