Left again allies itself with radical Islam

My husband has, for years, castigated me for refusing to listening to Cat Stevens’ music.  He makes two points, the first of which is valid, the second of which is not.  First, he says, the music predates Stevens’ conversion.  If I hear it on the radio, Stevens isn’t getting any royalties anyway, so there’s no harm, no foul.

This is true.  But I still hate to hear Stevens because he irritates me so much.  And why does he irritate me?  Well, that gets to the second reason my husband scolds me, and as to that reason, my husband is wrong:  “You don’t like him just because he’s a Muslim.”  No, buddy.  I don’t like him because he’s a jihadist who advocates the murder of those who disagree with Islam.

My twenty-year old mini-dispute with my husband (and it really is mini, because how often does Cat Stevens come up in daily life?) has suddenly taken on a bit more resonance for me, as my husband’s favorite comic du0 — Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert — happily and proudly hosted this jihadist at their rally to “restore sanity.”  I know I’m picky, but I don’t consider it sane for Americans, especially Jewish Americans, to cavort with jihadists.  I’m clearly out of step, though, with this “super hip” American zeitgeist.

If you want to know more, lots more, check out Ed Driscoll, who always has good stuff.

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  • Mike Devx

    Ca Stevens has always been a tough one for me.  I love ‘Tea For The Tillerman’ and ‘Teaser And The Firecat’.  They’re two of my long-time favorites.
    How the creator of those two albums could ever have succumbed to radical Islam is beyond me.  I blame ‘Peace Train’, the only song on those albums I dislike.   A little tongue in cheek on the blame side, but I genuinely do dislike THAT song.
    Stevens was genuinely searching for meaningful spirituality after his early years as an empty pop star.  Then he was on his deathbed stricken with TB, but recovered during a year or two of convalescence. During those two years of confronting death and recovering, he wrote most of the material which would appear later on those two albums.
     
    Once he finished working through that material, faced with the need to produce more such material, he couldn’t, and his career rapidly faded.  He couldn’t capture lightning twice.  Epic success followed by epic fail.   Then he converted to Islam.  So you could say his rapid plummet in the music world, that disullusionment, coupled with his inability to find any other religion to satisfy him, drove him to Islam.
     
    But I still don’t get it.  And I can’t help but treasure those two albums from the pre-Islam Stevens, generated literally when he feared he was lying on his deathbed.
     

  • SJBill

    Mike – back in the day, most guys played Cat Stevens only when female guests were visiting. ;-)

    Two prominent Bay Area Lefties were in attendance: Adam Hyneman and Adam Savage were doing their part, trying to whip up enthusism and estimate the size of the crowd. No need for me to watch “Mythbusters” again.

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  • Frank M

    Yusuf Islam is a very poor excuse/example for/of a human being. His conversion to the absurdly-called intolerant, homicidal “religion of peace” is more than enough for me to ban his thoughts, songs, revenue producing no-talent recordings from my sphere. But of course for those of you out there who admire him or his music– to each his own. Glad I don’t know ya.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    An Album isn’t a philosophical treatise on the Good and the Virtuous.
     
    Nothing about making music stops one from using evil.

  • Mike

    He only has one song that was any good and that was “Morning has broken”. I try not to pay attention to these fools such as him and the rest of them that spew all the garbage but it is aggravating. One thing nice is you can turn it off whether it’s the television or the computer or radio or change the channel.
    “Semper Fi”
     

  • Libby

    Most telling was how Stewart introduced/referred to him as just “Yousef” – as if omitting his last name would magically erase his past radical statements.

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  • Charles Martel

    Ironically, “Morning Has Broken” is a Christian hymn that was written 30 or 40 years before Stevens’ rendition.

    I suppose if he were to sing a Muslim hymn, it would go something like, “Chop that clit, hey! Chop that clit, hey!”

  • Mike Devx

    Stevens’ “Morning Has Broken” is a beautiful rendition.
     
    I think the core message of “Longer Boats” is conservative.
    “Longer boats are coming to get us.  They’re coming to get us, coming to get us.  Hold onto the shore, or, they’ll be taking the key from the door.”
     
    “Father and Son” can sometimes leave me in tears, don’t know why.  The back and forth argument is compelling art to me.
     
    “Sad Lisa” is so chock full of empathy and sung so well that I can’t help but tip my hat to it.
     
    Most of these are from ‘Tea For The Tillerman’.  I guess the heart-on-the-sleeve nature of it always draws me in.
     
    Most of ‘Teaser and the Firecat’ (aside from Morning Has Broken) is far more superficial, but it’s done so well that I continue to enjoy it.
     
    Dan Peek of America in an autobiography discussed a scene at his wedding where Cat Stevens dismissed the photographers and went around the wedding taking the pictures himself.  Later, he opened the camera, laughing, showing them it had no film.  What?  That shallow – even cruel – prankster is the Cat Stevens that converted to radical Islam… not the one lying on his deathbed (he thought) penning those songs.  At least that’s my rationalization for why I continue to listen to those two albums and no others from him.
     
    There are plenty of other artists whose works I’ve dismissed from my listening cycles based on what they’ve said (and not later repented of).
     

  • JackMayo

    It is quite amusing to listen to the bitterness and anger that exists in this thread regarding Stewart/Colbert’s rally to restore FEAR/SANITY.  Calling Yusaf Islam a jihadist just because he clarified what the Koran says is assinine.  Others like FRANK M immediately leap to Islam being “intolerant” and “homicidal”.  I hate to break it to all you social neo-cons that Christians murder people every day and yes many do it in the name of our religion (Christianity – yes my religion too).  Open your minds and your senses (or the Bible) just a little bit and you’ll notice that your shit stinks just like the rest of us.  I’ve been following this blog since 2005 ever since a friend challenged me to actually “listen to the other side”.  To my surprise I have learned a lot from Bookworm and friends over the years.  I’ve sensed your growing anger.  It is readily apparent that you hate Islam and all Muslims.  So, may I ask what is your end-game?  What is your final solution for this horrific religion and all of its crazy homicidal followers?  Concentration camps?  Nuclear?  How will you rid the earth of these homicidal maniac muslims?  Invade Iran? WW3? Cut taxes?  Please tell us your end game, Muslims are dying to know.

  • Charles Martel

    Hey, Jack, since I know less about about the Quran than you do, perhaps you could remind me just which sura(s) Yusef “clarified.”

    Secondly, could you give us the URL to a site like the TheReligionofPeace.com that tracks all of the murders, beheadings, ritual rapes and executions of gay people committed by Christians in the name of Jesus? Since you referred to murders committed every day in His name, I figure an informed fellow like you surely can back up that assertion.

    Also, I don’t sense much “bitterness and anger” toward Jon Leibowitz’s little D.C. sideshow on this site. Rather, I detect some mirth and great astonishment that people are still being taken in by his “I’m just a comedian” shtick. (Speaking of shtick, you might want to consider retiring “neo-cons” as an insult since it fits so very few people here or anywhere else.) 

    Finally, as somebody who despises Islam for its inhumanity and savagery—especially towards women—I doubt that my hatred for such an oppressive ideology means I hate all of its adherents. Muslims are victims, and the vast majority either would like to be left in peace or would convert to a religion of love in the blink of an eye if the Religion of Peace did not have a sura in the Quran that calls for apostates to be killed.

    But I am open to changing my mind. If you could link us to sites that show the compassionate, woman-loving, Jew-loving, peace-loving, freedom-loving, reason-loving works of Islam, I will eagerly click them.  

  • Frank M

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  • JackMayo

    Frank,  Thanks for blessing us with your tirade of HATE AND THREATS OF MURDER…….But you seem to have left out the city and state, and zip code of where you live.  Can you please clarify this for me so I can make sure you’re on the domestic terrorism watch list?

  • Danny Lemieux

    Jack Mayo, let me pose a follow-up question to Charles Martel’s question: would you care to show us where in the Christian New Testament it commands Christians to kill and harm others?

    As an add-on, could you also please help us understand your point of view by clarifying those Koranic Suras and Hadith that command Muslims to kill Jews, beat wives, stone homosexuals and adulterers, and give us Kaffirs one of three choices: convert, submit (as dhimmis) or die? Remember, the Koran is not open to interpretation as it is presented as the direct word of God directed through Mohammed’s hand.

    Please note, I was polite in my questions.

    I look forward to your response.
     

  • Charles Martel

    Uh oh, looks like Frank has decided to traipse some offal into this room.

    Frank, are you a shill for Jack? I can’t think of a better way to get him off the hook for answering some hard questions posed here than by making your vituperation an excuse for his attention to wander.

  • http://bookwormroom.com Bookworm

    For those new to this thread who are bewildered by what’s going on in comments 14-16, I’ve deleted a comment that used obscene language (which is always anathema to me), and that made a “come and get me” threat (any threats are anathema too).

    The comment was so completely inconsistent with anything that anyone has ever posted at this blog that, I have to admit, it took me by surprise.  My readers have never spoken in those terms.  I therefore am inclined to wonder whether Charles Martel is correct in his suggestion at Comment 16, or whether someone who is usually temperate and rational just had a momentary anger moment, and is now cooling down.

  • Frank M

    The problem with Jackwhatever and the rest of you is that he/you cannot read and respond. I’m actually talking here. You guys are preventing that. If Jack want’s to die then Let him have my email, which you can give with my permission. Then Jack and I can comunicate offline.And by the way since I’m looking at Charles Martel’s post, please forward a benign [expletive deleted].

  • Frank M

    And as a Last Post I am completely fed up with being a NICE GUY to people. I read many comments  on many blogs and respond to few. I’m sorry to offend you, Bookworm, and the commenters.
    I have become very intolerant of the people who want to be tolerant, They are not my kind of people. I lived in the Bay for many years and sailed around the sites that you portray on your home page. I know the Angel Island well, also Tiburon, Sausalito, Richmond, Mare Island, Rat Rock, Petaluma River, etc.
    The liberals in the SF Bay Area are disgusting mooches and power hungry thieves. Plus they use their homosexuality as a power tool to intimidate. It is a weapon, and if you ever get close enough to one they will admit it.
     
     

  • JackMayo

    Hi Charles.
     
    Thanks for not threatening to kill me or innocent muslims, haha :-)
     
    “Hey, Jack, since I know less about about the Quran than you do, perhaps you could remind me just which sura(s) Yusef “clarified.””
    You know less about the Quran/Koran than I do?  Wow, that means that you basically know nothing about it, I’ll remember to disregard any ignorant opinions you have about how it relates to Cat Stevens being a jihadist.
    “Secondly, could you give us the URL to a site like the TheReligionofPeace.com that tracks all of the murders, beheadings, ritual rapes and executions of gay people committed by Christians in the name of Jesus? Since you referred to murders committed every day in His name, I figure an informed fellow like you surely can back up that assertion.”
    URL’s
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence – make sure to keep scrolling down and read all about it.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-gay_violence – keep reading.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims – see section “History of Christian Persecution of Muslims”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism#Christianity_and_antisemitism
    etc etc etc etc
    Christians are no worse and no better than Muslims.  Humans are humans.
    “Also, I don’t sense much “bitterness and anger” toward Jon Leibowitz’s little D.C. sideshow on this site. Rather, I detect some mirth and great astonishment that people are still being taken in by his ”I’m just a comedian” shtick. (Speaking of shtick, you might want to consider retiring “neo-cons” as an insult since it fits so very few people here or anywhere else.)”
    neo-cons – it’s wasn’t meant to be an insult , it’s just the technical term for conservatives who believe we should use fear and myths (although many neo-cons believe the myths are true) to promote the use of military and economic power to spread their values throughout the world, with the hopes of ridding the world or changing societies with values they consider to be a GRAVE THREAT.    It sounds to me that you do take the term “neo-cons” as an insult though, so I think you should get over that.
    “Finally, as somebody who despises Islam for its inhumanity and savagery—especially towards women—I doubt that my hatred for such an oppressive ideology means I hate all of its adherents. Muslims are victims, and the vast majority either would like to be left in peace or would convert to a religion of love in the blink of an eye if the Religion of Peace did not have a sura in the Quran that calls for apostates to be killed.”
    I also despise any human actions that are inhumane and savage including the despicable actions of individual Muslims. History has clearly proven that organized religions inevitably lead to oppression, murder and mass-suffering.  Christian and Muslim religions are equally guilty and equally innocent.  Muslims are no less victims than Christians or any other religion, all people who put their faith in a religion, rather than in God or a higher power are going to be victims of their own religion.
     
     
     

  • Frank M

    I also despise any human actions that are inhumane and savage including the despicable actions of individual Muslims. History has clearly proven that organized religions inevitably lead to oppression, murder and mass-suffering.
    Why oh why are not the 1.4 billion people of the Islam “religion of peace” taking these people to task for the beheadings? Might it be that your message is [expletive deleted]?

  • JackMayo

    Danny,
    Thanks for your kind response.  I understand what you’re asking.  Any version of the Quran that says to kill people, is wrong.  I am saying it doesn’t make hating or Muslims or grouping all Muslims with Muslim terrorists right (such as the overly-exaggerated and curious case of Cat Stevens).  If I had said “the Quran” is right and “the bible” is wrong I would be wrong and you would be right.  As it stands you are right, and on social issues I lean much towards the left in comparison (as you no doubt assumed).  I appreciate people like you who are willing to state where you disagree and make an argument and maintain a civil debate.
    Muchos gracias
    BTW,  Charles,  i was a little riled up by Frank’s comments in my last post and I think I took it out on you unfairly.  there was no need for me to use “ignorant opinions” or “so I think you should get over that”.
    Bookworm, I appreciate you stepping in and moderating a bit.
    Like I said, I’ve been reading your blog for years and will continue to do so.
    Salud!
     

  • JackMayo

    frank,
    i agree that the muslim world needs to do more to stand up against the kind of violence you’re describing.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    Frank:<B>I have become very intolerant of the people who want to be tolerant, They are not my kind of people.</b>

    Doesn’t mean we’re your kind of people, either, Frank. Or vice a versa.

    In my circle, if people simply busted out whatever they wanted to do, half of us would be in hospitals and the other half would be buried. Assuming the half of us could be bothered to bury them while recovering.

    Control of emotion is critical in learning H2H and control of H2H is critical in dealing with thugs of whatever ideological bent.

    <B>It is quite amusing to listen to the bitterness and anger that exists in this thread regarding Stewart/Colbertfs rally to restore FEAR/SANITY.</b>

    *Snorts*

    You should read my comments more often then. You’ll hear something quite different from bitterness and anger then.

    <B> Ifve sensed your growing anger. </b>

    You haven’t sensed anything. The members of BR are excellent at keeping their real emotions under check. I know. I’ve analyzed and checked their comments and reactions for years now. And rather than passively observing, like you, I have actively engaged them and checked my premises.

    Humans beings are designed for social communication. Not some hidden stalker that thinks he knows all about a “star”.

    <B>What is your final solution for this horrific religion and all of its crazy homicidal followers?  Concentration camps?</b>

    *snickers* Your Leftist indoctrination is showing, my dear fellow. Is that what you wasted all your time “learning” here.

    Wikipedia, for those articles, are continuously updated by the Muslim brotherhood and CAIR (and branches) to cover up their own atrocities. Haven’t Leftists ever heard of the Delphi method?

    <B>neo-cons — itfs wasn’t meant to be an insult , it’s just the technical term</b>

    When a bunch of KKK Democrat affiliates get together and talk about lynching some uppity nosed negroes, it doesn’t really matter whether they are using “technical terms” or not. You’re under the impression that your little circle of friends, just because they call themselves the ruling elite, get to decide what is or is not politically correct, technically correct, terms. Nobody gave you people authority to judge or adjudicate such matters. Just make it up as you go along like always.

    <B> It sounds to me that you do take the term neo-consh as an insult though, so I think you should get over that.</b>

    Do you also think blacks should get over the word nigger? I can hear your gears turning, you know. Make it turn faster.

  • JackMayo

    Ymarsakar,
     
    ChaChing! Someone actually responded to one of your posts…..MERRY CHRISTMAS!
     
    “You should read my comments more often then. You’ll hear something quite different from bitterness and anger then.”
     
    i have seen your comments on nearly every thread BW has ever posted that i’ve read (what else do you do?). yes, I’m quite familiar with your rants.
     
    So we started out with a post about why Cat Stevens should be considered a Jihadist HAHAHA
     
    then…..our buddy Frank Chimes in that he kills muslims for fun and basically makes a death threat to me personally
     
    then…..there goes frank again “they use their homosexuality as a power tool to intimidate”
     
    Then everyone’s favorite bookwormroom commentator Ymarsakar finds a way to use being called a neo-con as an excuse to use the N word.
     
    Just another day in the anger-free bookwormroom!

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    “ChaChing! Someone actually responded to one of your posts…..MERRY CHRISTMAS!”
     
    You missed Halloween. Next time, I’m taking a 50% income tax from your income and a 25% luxury tax on your expenditures. Get excited for it now.
     
    When you come out of the wood works and think you can face my statements, be sure to write one of your narcissistic grandiose self-aggrandizing proclamations. I’ll be sure to give them a once over.

    “So we started out with a post about why Cat Stevens should be considered a Jihadist HAHAHA”
     
    *Stage Whisper to BR members* This is called mental defect from absorbing too much Leftist cult material over decades of time. Be sure not to try this at home.
    Then everyone’s favorite bookwormroom commentator Ymarsakar finds a way to use being called a neo-con as an excuse to use the N word.
     
    Feeling a bit worried are you. Is the heat getting to ya. Are you sweating. Is your brain working. All those witty comebacks are getting rather slow. You can do better.
    You can’t talk about how blacks use nigger like the word “brother” and you can’t talk about how whites aren’t allowed to use the word due to racial intimidation and fear mongering.
     
    You think your puffed out chest self got the spine to talk about Islamic violence? Now that’s a laugh.
    “Just another day in the anger-free bookwormroom!”
     
    Btw, be sure to tell your friend that you’re too insecure to truly argue using independent thinking and logic here. Your friend is right. You just don’t got it in you to face the opposition. All you can do is observe passively from a distance. Holding it in. Be patient. Just keep holding it in. Maybe Obama will bail you out of this quagmire you got yourself into.

     

  • Charles Martel

    I think the evidence Book presented to prove that Yusuf Islam sanctioned the murder of Salman Rushdie is irrefutable.
    This quote from CBS Sunday Morning in 2004 shows that he is a deeply confused man: “I don’t think that God sent us prophets and books to fight about these books and these prophets. But they were telling us, actually, how to live together. If we ignore those teachings … whichever faith you belong, you profess, then I think we’ll be finding ourselves in an even deeper mess.”

    That statement cracks me up. Mohammed (or rather, his proxy, the Quran) clearly stated that Jews and Christians had corrupted God’s original word, so that the Quran was the restoration of what the Torah and Bible had corrupted. So, obviously, the only book and prophet we are to look to are the Quran and Mohammed. Yet when we read the Quran, we see that the Medinan suras, which abrogate the earlier, more conciliatory Meccan suras, tell us only how Muslims will force the rest of us to “live together” under the Islamic heel.

    Thanks, Cat. Great to know you have our best interests at heart.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

     
    Secondly, could you give us the URL to a site like the TheReligionofPeace.com that tracks all of the murders, beheadings, ritual rapes and executions of gay people committed by Christians in the name of Jesus?
    I think it was something like… http://www.icannotdooriginalresearch.com judging from what he mentioned.
    I figure an informed fellow like you surely can back up that assertion.
    Heh. I’m catching unto your tricks Charles. Remember that.
    Also, I donft sense much bitterness and angerh toward Jon Leibowitzfs little D.C. sideshow on this site.
    What I’m wondering though is… how does someone who lives in a bubble sense anything outside? Is that like quantum entanglement? ESP? I just don’t get the Superior Leftist Intellect perhaps. Especially when they claim to know what they cannot possibly know.
    Speaking of shtick, you might want to consider retiring neo-cons
    Bush lied, people died. They were tortured with hot wax from candle into saying that in their sleep. It’s all kind of jumbled up, Martel. I’m sorry, but I think this shtick is “permanent” now.
    I doubt that my hatred for such an oppressive ideology means I hate all of its adherents.
    Aren’t at least half of Muslims, women? And aren’t Muslim women oppressed in Islam? Does not the Left hate men? Or only white men in the West?
    I look forward to your response.
    Danny, one word. HelenL. Heh. Can’t the Left come up with any originality these days, sheesh.
    Frank, are you a shill for Jack?
    Don’t worry, I think Jack and Frank can take themselves off the hooks of anything all by themselves. Isn’t that what BDSM classes were for?
     
     
     
     
    Oh wait, sorry, different bubble universe.
     
    Mayo guy. I wish you the best on election day. Do your best with the Black Panthers now, ya hear. If you don’t, you know Obama is going to come kick your arse. Just do whatever you are told and you are golden, Mayo. I’m counting on you bro! Black Panthers need more whites in the vanguard anyways.
     

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    ” What is your final solution for this horrific religion and all of its crazy homicidal followers?”
     
    Personally, my solution is to find a bunch of Mayo cultists and forcibly draft them into the HUman Shield initiative to protect every gay and Muslim person out there from violence.
     
    That’ll give the self-righteous Leftists something they can do. Basically, whenever somebody gets threatened by a Muslim for disrespect against Muslim or Mohammed, a Leftist human shield speaks up and say “you have to kill me first if you want to stop the author’s free speech”.
     
    I think that would indeed be the final solution set for the unholy alliance of the Left and Islamic fundamentalism.
     
     
     
     

  • Danny Lemieux

    Jack Mayo – I perused your wiki site links. I’m sorry – I agree that there are times (mostly long, long ago) where Christians acted in a terrible manner to others, but all the theological justifications given in your links were Old Testament citations. I venture there is absolutely nothing in the New Testament to justify any of those acts…or any act of violence against one’s fellow man (although it does justify self defense).
     
    Most acts (such as the atrocities committed by the Crusaders were pretty much par for the course during those days, on all sides. However, for a Wiki site to refer to the Crusades as “persecution of Muslims” (those very same Muslims who had conquered the Levant and destroyed or subjugated Christian and Jewish communities…well, it’s a bit rich. The Crusades weren’t about conquest, they were about defending Christendom against the onslaught of Islam. The Wiki links must have been written by Muslims, because every citation refers to any and all violence against any and all Muslims for any and all reasons by any and all people as “persecution”. I don’t think so.
     
    To put it in more mundane terms: if I shoot an armed intruder in my house who intends me harm, it’s not intruderphobia and it sure ain’t persecution.

  • Charles Martel

    A slight tangent: I do some writing for a website aimed at people who have diabetes. One of the the things I have to do is to make sure that I define medical terms in straightforward, easy-to-understand language so that readers don’t bog down and can get something from the articles.

    To do that, I find Wikipedia to be invaluable in helping me get a quick idea of what a scientific term means. Of course I check with other sources to get a general and consensus view, but Wiki almost always delivers the goods when it comes to technical and scientific definitions.

    But I absolutely do not trust it at all when it comes to history or politics. Wiki is too easily subverted by people with political or religious agendas (Danny, good call on the Wiki discussions of the Crusades), and I don’t know anybody involved in serious research or discussion who would rely on Wikipedia, let alone cite it.

    Wiki’s political or religious entries may have some serious content and scholarship, but it’s too hit or miss. To me, depending on them is like flying on an airline whose jets crash only 20 percent of the time. Not my cup of tea.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    So basically, if we follow the script of the Left, we’re supposed to be haters of these people now?
     
    http://www.blackfive.net/main/2010/11/thanking-american-muslims.html
     
    Sometimes logic is nonexistent on the Left.
     
    Ahh, who am I kidding. It’s not sometimes. It’s all the time.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    Btw, for observers and readers, this is sort of like a behavior test of Jack Mayo. Given a plethora of topics ranging from the crude, to the joking, to serious debates on academic standards and historical truth, which shall he choose according to the edicts of his own political philosophy?
     
    That is the question. I am, of course, confident in my own ability. But Murphy may be called in to intercede and Danny/Martel will get the prize. We shall see.
     
     
     
     

  • SGT Dave

    All,
    I have to speak out, just for a moment. 
    Jack, and all other interested parties,
    The Crusades were not primarily a religious exercise.  I repeat, the Crusades were not about religion.  They were about population pressure and economics.  It’s the demographics, dummy.  At that point of time in the world, Europe was recovering from the plague years and enjoying a bump in the upper class from good harvests.  The result – a surplus of “noble” youngsters who stood to inherit nothing.  These young nobles followed their leaders to the nearest profitable locale not occupied by other Christian states – since the Church had laid down numerous rules in the time following the plague to prevent depopulation (no combat on saints’ holy days, et. al.).  If you fought unbelievers, the rules were relaxed.  Plus, as a bonus for everyone, there was the massive haul of loot and tax income from the spice road through the middle east. 
    Islam, per se, is very like Christianity of the 5th-8th Century – it is pressing against the limits of its doctrine.  Islam, however, fails in that there is no central authority to press changes.  There are no schools of theology or central “church” to unify or reform the faith to a standard.  By refusing to bring radical adherents to heel, Islam fails in its own mission as the “Religion of Peace”.  Note, I am not excusing the Roman Catholic Church – but I will state that they did end the Inquisition, stop Indulgences, and create reforms (including the Vatican II reforms) that moved the Church out of the dark ages.  Islam has made no move to reform, nor does it have a central pillar (even so distant to its individual cults as the RC is to the Protestant/Evangelical branch) from which reform can be created.  The former Cat Stevens called for the death of infidels (I don’t have the citation handy, sorry) and spoke of the Lebanon bombing as a “strike by the just against the invaders.” (I cannot give my citation on that – I believe it is open source elsewhere). 
    Until or unless Islam reaches a point that it can chastise or delegitimize those mullahs who call for violent jihad, it will remain a false path which leads the misguided to more hatred and violence.  In counter to your “Catholics were just as bad” argument – Do you still believe that the Inquisition will come, gather you up, and put you to the Question for your lack of faith in the One Apostolic Church?  (Caps intended) 
    You, John, are a troll.  Frank got angry – inexcusable, but human.  You on the other hand, chose to mislead, misrepresent, and presented a false comparison to the Room.  I shall not request that Book remove you, but you should do better research than just Wikipedia before you show up to a battle of the wits.  You lack wit, originality, and continuity. 
    Oh, and by the by, if Catholicism was wrong in the Crusades and the Inquisition and should be castigated and punished, then it follows that Islam is wrong in the Jihad and the purity police and should be punished.  It does not follow that “this is wrong, they got away with it, so everyone else should get away with it.”  It should be “This was wrong, they initially got away with it, they ended it, and everyone should know better than to allow it to happen again.” 

    Or do you want the Inquisition (or the Morality Police, Sharia version) on your doorstep?  Have you paid your jizya?  Your daughter attends school, so she is free game for rapists to and from that location.  Oh, and your testimony is worth half that of a Muslim, since you are not of the faith.  And, by the way infidel, I like your house.  I went to the court and testified it is on my great-grandfather’s former farm so you need to give it to me.  Now.  You can complain to the court, but it is your word versus mine – and yours only counts half.  Have a nice day, slave.  And where’s my money that’s in your pocket, thief?

    (The last paragraph rant is a collection of statements describing the situation of an Iraqi Christian, paraphrased, from the time period of 1990-1996, prior to his escape with his family through Turkey to the U.S. – he was my interpreter for four months.)

    SSG Dave
    “You are reliant upon better men to defend your right to whimper, whine, and betray them through your words.”

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    A quality post from SSG Dave. As expected, of course.
     
    Koi, Koi, let us all wait and see what happens next.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    Jack Mayo man has left the stage.
     
    But now that you have presented yourself, I will be sure to remember your sonzaiyo.
     
     

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi_method
     
    Delphi method. For those that didn’t know what it was.

  • JackMayo

    good thing comment #13, Frank’s homicidal tirade and direct threats of murder, got deleted, especially in light of the recent shootings in AZ.  The hate that is spewed from this blog on a weekly basis is despicable.

  • Mike Devx

    This post and commentary thread was fascinating.  i almost wish I could see the deleted comment as well, but I trust Book, that it isn’t worth it.
     
    I was going to respond, but Sgt. Dave said everything that I could have said, and far better.  Kudos, that was brilliant!!!
     
    In particular I want to repeat this from Sgt Dave:
    Oh, and by the by, if Catholicism was wrong in the Crusades and the Inquisition and should be castigated and punished, then it follows that Islam is wrong in the Jihad and the purity police and should be punished.  It does not follow that “this is wrong, they got away with it, so everyone else should get away with it.”

    It maybe worth commenting here about the current blazing controversy surrounding the Arizona shootings, in which Democrats are trying to silence conservatives.  When a radical Islamic jihadist commits a horrific act of violence – such as at Ft. Hood – liberals everywhere come out of the woodworks and DEMAND that we not blame radical Islamic jihad as the cause of the violence.  Then, when a white male commits an act of horrific violence, they come out of the woodwork and immediately blame all of conservatism for the violent act!  The hypocrisy is overwhelming.  Is it merely dhimmitude and cowardly cowering?  Or is it naked political hypocrisy and expediency in politics of the worst sort?

    Then, of course, we find that the white male who pulled the trigger could best be described as a radical leftist if he could be described as ANYTHING.  Certainly he could never be classified  a conservative, not even a Republican.  And even that tiny bit of news hasn’t stopped the left in this most recent assault on conservatism, especially on what the Left perceives as conservatism’s  two major threats, the Tea Party and Sarah Palin.  (Of course there’s the Rush-bo as well, but he’s too powerful for anything other than a genuine scandal; so they only throw a couple of tar balls his way before they move on because they know with Mr. Limbaugh they have no choice but to bide their time.)