• http://zachriel.blogspot.com/2005/07/liberal-v-conservative.html Zachriel

    Ymarsakar: A person that advocates the death of anyone, is simply a coward if he isn’t willing to do the deed himself.
    The question is whether, given the opportunity, you would execute 80% of Leftists in Britain. 
     

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    What kind of opportunity are you talking about?

    I’m not a British citizen, so if you’re living in Britain and you’re worried, what reason would you be worried over…

  • Charles Martel

    Zach, I personally would settle for 78%.

  • SADIE

    Sadie did you really write the “BM Show” and miss the pun? , funny I was just talking to my Doctor about those the other day…
     
    MacG – are you kidding. I try never to miss a pun chance. Yep, it was purposeful and you caught it. Rumor has it, there’s a spin off from the BM Show. So far, the script is spotty (that’s another pun).  There is a working title – it’s called The Zzzz’s. The current problem with the script is that it puts you to sleep while fighting off an urge to defecate.
    :)
     
     

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    Explain this BM to me Sadie…

    Is it the new nuclear weapon?

  • DL Sly

    Sorry, Mr. Martel, if Ymar promises 80%, I’m gonna haf’ta hold him to it.  No slackin’ allowed. heh And, no, Ymar, you can’t get away with “But my arms fell off in exhaustion!” as an excuse. *snicker* 0>;~}

  • SADIE

    Nah…it’s a dud like Bill Maher and his buddies are duds (see: #9 for the hot air report).
     
    Like a fart in a windstorm, they’re barely a blip on the radar. ;)

  • Gringo


    Z-team #38
    Quotes “Charles Martel” [sic]: That isn’t boilerplate, that is a mission statement.
    Z-Team replies : Hamas has stated they are now open to a two-state solution.
     
    Go to the link the Z-Team provides in #41.

    Hamas from link: We accept a Palestinian state on the borders of 1967, with Jerusalem as its capital, the release of Palestinian prisoners, and the resolution of the issue of refugees,” Haniyeh said, referring to the year of Middle East war in which Israel captured East Jerusalem and the Palestinian territories.
     
    As Hamas & Fatah are both adamant on the issue of “right of return” for the millions of descendants of those ~ 600,000 who left Palestine in 1948-49, and Israel will not permit that, this is a boilerplate statement from Hamas. Two state solution with right of return ain’t gonna happen, so no problem in making the statement.
     
    1967 borders: Would Hamas be referring to 1949-1967 borders, or 1967- present borders? We know the answer.
     
    “Hamas will respect the results (of a referendum) regardless of whether it differs with its ideology and principles..”

     
    Hamas has not renounced its charter statements. My statement [not that of Charles Martel- which shows carelessness of Z-Team] stands: mission statement is still to destroy Israel.
     
    Regarding the ability of Hamas to “respect the results of a referendum,” I refer you to what has happened after Hamas won a vote in Gaza. One vote, one time is the best way to describe the results.
     
    Hamas is simply proposing a hudna, very similar to the occasional truces Hamas has called in Gaza.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    You Sly sneak. I didn’t know you were around. Oh well. If I get a magical hug from you, the exhaustion may be reversed in time. Heh

  • SADIE

    Gringo
     
    We’ve been down this wadi before with the z-group. Plucking no news from Haaretz isn’t much different than the slim pickings from the NYTimes, both newspapers play to the same audience.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    I think logically speaking, if you want to eliminate the crime wave in Britain, you have to eliminate 80% of Leftists in Britain, and not just in the government or in their LEO communities.

    If you don’t want to eliminate the crime wave, you can just wave your hands and declare Mission Accomplished with some adequate trope about “fighting crime” by “regulating guns and knives” or something.

    The alternative is trying to eliminate the crime wave by reforming the system, which means getting rid of 80% of Leftists the slow way, which is prosecution. But that’s impossible so long as Leftists actually are in power. You have all seen how hard it is prosecute Democrats in DC, when it is Democrats and Republicans making the “decisions” on their guilt. Even in cases where they say X politician was guilty, they don’t do anything to punish them. Franks that oversaw the collapse of the housing market in 2008, conveniently just in time to help Obama win the election. That Clinton staffer that stuffed down secret documents so that he could take them home and destroy them, only had his security clearance “suspended” until it was reinstated. Any normal person would have been locked up and never been able to gain a security clearance again. 

    So back to my logic. If you want to eliminate the crime wave in Britain, you must eliminate the Leftist enablers as well as dealing with the Islamic/criminals themselves.

    But you’ll never hear a logical counter-argument from Z on this score. Just a bunch of limb shaking “outrage” coming from the Zster’s Zriel Emotions.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    Also, there are local communities that if properly armed and supplied, will defeat the insurgents themselves. However, that also requires getting rid of Leftists because Leftists would block and subvert such local militias. They would get in the way, sabotage their works, defund whoever is aiding them, and divert the funds to Muslim terrorists and other criminal agencies.

    Thus, it doesn’t matter if the locals can defend themselves. The Left will crush them anyways. So the Left must go if you wish to see British communities and innocents successfully defeat crime and criminals.

  • Gringo

    Sadie, your point (#60) is well taken. I  now stay away from most of the meanderings from the  Z-Team and from abc, having rolled my eyes more than one time too many. for any variety of reasons.
     
    I find it ironic that some on the left will defend dictatorial theocrats such as Hamas, when they get all bent out of shape at any expression of religious faith in the public arena in the US. If those lefty clowns would spend a week in Gaza, I wager they would change their tune. The dishonesty of the left is shown when they make remarks claiming  that American conservatives are just like the Taliban.
    Disclaimer: I am not a churchgoer.
     
     

  • Charles Martel

    Ymarsakar, I say the most humane form of execution for Britain’s leftists would be to force them to undergo dentistry.

  • SADIE

     
     
    No problem, Gringo. You’re a member in good standing in the Church of What’s Happening Now.

  • Charles Martel

    SADIE, do you realize that if Flip Wilson had become big in Japan he would have been called Frip Wirson?

  • Danny Lemieux

    Ha, Charles M!

    Reminds me of a story about General MacArthur’s departure from Japan, when everyone thought he would return to America to run against Pres. Harry Truman (who had just fired MacArthur for insubordination). The Japanese, who idolized MacArthur, put up a big send-off sign at the airport that said, “Have a good Election”. 

    Except that, they spelled it….

  • SADIE

    Hmm…looks like we’ve gone off topic.
     
    And now for something completely different …. (not really). It’s the consummation of Hollywood and Washington. I mean who would have thought that the State Department also has membership in SAG or whatever a gaga signs up for to get paid for performing a gig out of town.

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Monday that the State Department played an instrumental role in “sealing the deal” for pop-rock star Lady Gaga to perform at a gay pride rally in Rome, Italy.
     
    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/hillary-us-ambassador-instrumental-seali

  • Charles Martel

    SADIE, not off topic at all. We’ve simply regained control of our sweet little veranda which sometimes gets taken over by a grim band of Jehovah’s Witnesses who all happen to be named Zach.

  • DL Sly

    I’ve been lurking here for a while now, Ymar. 

    “…Leftists would block and subvert such local militias.”

    Well, you have to admit that the Brits are historically on the losing end when it comes to militias.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    The dishonesty of the left is shown when they make remarks claiming  that American conservatives are just like the Taliban.

    That’s not guaranteed, unfortunately. Soviet defectors have said that even if you take useful idiots from the US and show them Stalin death camps in Russia, they still won’t believe it or will find a way to rationalize.

    Simply visiting a location does not mean they will change their thinking. The chances are higher, I agree, since they are closer to the “source of the propaganda lies”, but it is in no way a guarantee.  In fact plenty of Leftists go there to “protest” or “rally around” their Pali allies. Some black Congress critter from Atlanta went there and got stopped by the Israeli navy, for example.

    Didn’t change her mind none.

    In order for the experience to be true, they have to be stripped of their status and escorts, and be given the experience raw and unpurified. They can’t be allowed any GPS or Western aid. They can’t be allowed any Pali minders. They have to live life, either on one side or the other, completely unknown to the rest of the official factions, in order to truly observe and experience what’s going on there.

    It’s sort of like bankrupting a Prince and forcing him to live amongst commoners, after a life of luxury and being trapped within paradise. A different point of view is needed, rather than a different location. Because a Prince traveling the streets of commoners is still a Prince. No, first we must strip the Left of their status and securities, before ushering them into the great experience that is Gaza. Only then might they realize the truth.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    Correction, I was replying to Gringo’s state here: I wager they would change their tune

    Boxed quoted the wrong line.

    Martel, I don’t think the NHS has enough dentists for that scale of an operation. We might be running into the old problem of demand exceeding supply here.

    The longer people are held before they are dealt with, the greater the chances some Leftist revolutionary group will take a bunch of innocents hostage in order to demand that we “release” their comrades. Well, if we don’t “have” any comrades to release, then… they might not kidnap anything.

    Sly, now that I think it, years before I seem to remember you either commenting here or commenting about here at VC. It was so short, though, I probably forgot about it.

    The “memory” is so vague it isn’t even a memory: more like a sense or feeling of a nebulous quality. It could even be a manufactured memory, something Leftists use in order to keep their internal mental stresses down.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    Sly, historically the British either lost interest or got bankrupted fighting overseas against their enemies, militias included. That would seem to be the case before. Unfortunately for the British, they’re fighting on their own land now so their government has a pretty tight logistical supply network. Of course, that would apply to both sides or all 3 sides of the equation, as they are all “fighting” from their home bases. Who has the home advantage when the local community of British citizens want local protection, when the local enclaves of Islamic jihadists go out jihading, and when the local and national British bureaucrat/government decides to crack down with the SAS? 

    They’re not all that unfamiliar with fighting local insurgents, given the IRA or the Picts of yester milleniums. They just don’t want fight the new insurgents, the Islamic Army. The IA has a lot more “protections” than the IRA ever did. I think they have a better chance, over all. And if the British government won’t fight the IA, they’ll go fight local British community defenders and militias instead. Use the SAS on those people. Those people don’t have as much protections as the Islamic “Asian youths”.

  • Gringo

    My comment # 63
    If those lefty clowns would spend a week in Gaza, I wager they would change their tune.
     
    Ymarsakar #71
    That’s not guaranteed, unfortunately. Soviet defectors have said that even if you take useful idiots from the US and show them Stalin death camps in Russia, they still won’t believe it or will find a way to rationalize.
    I did not explain myself well enough. Your point that political tourists usually do not change their points of view, but simply have have them confirmed, is a point well taken. Paul  Hollander has written several good books on political tourism, from the Webbs visiting the  Soviet Union in the 1920s to Sandalistas visiting  Nicaragua in the 1980s.
     
    What I was trying to say was that if those lefties could experience Gaza as Gazans do, they would change their minds.  That is is not likely to occur in a week’s time, for a number of reasons. For one, very few Americans speak Arabic. When you have translators, you are going to experience things second hand, and are also a sitting duck for  guided tours that show the reality that your handlers want you to see.
     
    My time in Latin America changed my political views. However, I had several advantages over a tourist to Gaza. I spoke the language, so I didn’t have a handler filtering my perceptions. I did relatively little socializing with US citizens, but nearly all with locals, basically because there were few  US citizens where I was. I didn’t avoid them- they weren’t there. By contrast, many who go overseas go as part of a tour group. The biggest difference was that I didn’t spend a week. I spent years.
     
    I will rephrase it: If those lefty clowns could get to know Gaza as well as I got to know Latin America, I wager they would change their tune.

  • Allen

    Oooph, Gringo, I know. Me to, in my time in, late 70’s early 80’s in the old AfPak. Then on to Central America from 82 to 83. Funny thing is, we’re selling one of our houses, and I came across an old souvenir. My wife blasted me, “That crap is so over!”

    Yes ma’am, three bags full.

    Cheers

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    Gringo, ah I see. Details do make the fate of humanity, in the end. And that’s why the devil is in the details. Deals from the Left sound so good… up until you read the fine print, at least. Not just those details, but details in anything. Plans, futures, probabilities, gambles, risks, ventures, people, character, crime, organizations, etc.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    Btw, it kind of says something when Britain’s “police armed force” that they call in is the British SAS. The US first calls in the National Guard than the Marine Corps. All others are more or less, not commonly used. If we are at the point that we need to call up the US SOCOM joint units to take care of things domestically, we are in a big hole.

    http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-service/history/northern-ireland/

    Given the number of fatalities, including civilian ones, the reason why we don’t let the military do police work is because if the federal government ever sent Special Forces to kill the locals of any US State, that State can then use its own firepower to contest the issue and instead of quieting down, things would erupt and escalate into a full out shooting war.

    Because unlike the Irish, Americans can pretty much get access to guns and they don’t need to use caches nor are the locals likely to rat them out. Enough arms that anyone shooting at civilians has a high likelyhood of civilians shooting back after a few incidents.

    Intel is truly how an occupation force breaks the back of an insurgency. We needed it in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Left needs it on their political opponents (reason for all that searching in people’s backgrounds and trashes). The SAS needed it to ambush the IRA.

    Fortunately the US is more robust than the UK. After all, foreigners aren’t coming into our country and killing our neighbors by “mistake”. Nor are people form other states coming in and doing the same (well, except for the southern border situation). At most, you have local SWAT police running into the wrong house and killing somebody by accident. Or getting killed by the armed residents. It’s not as sectarian as it could be. We have class and race warfare though. Let’s not underestimate that, especially given the Watts riots. La Raza and MS13 paired together could be a potent local disruption. Could be, although currently they are mostly localized in the South West. If they spread to the rest of the United States, however… I can tell you that Georgians won’t take kindly to a bunch of serial killing rapists coming into our neighborhoods and looking for somebody to kidnap and sell back as ransom. We got too many guns and too many people with a bloodthirst, that are just looking to get some payback for that “War of Northern Aggression” thing ; ) They might not care if all they have to target and shoot are Mexican cartels and Americans working for em.

    I think with the introduction of the Islamic jihad, it has now become probable that UK citizens will begin to lose confidence in their national government; the Islamics will succeed where the IRA had failed. I think for the US, we’re not at the boiling point yet. It’ll take something more. More body bags, for one thing, across all US states. The southern border might erupt and that might be a trigger. Anything is possible. Mad Max is only possible because of a systemic and complete failure of the system. It would take a lot to disrupt all 50 states. One would almost have to have the terrorists working with the Mexican drug cartels invading Texas and New Mexico, working along with the US federal government to do that kind of damage.

    Sorta like ATF’s alliance with Mexican drug cartels and Clinton’s aid being a Muslim Brotherhood member while the MB is conducting active bombings and killings in the US. Currently they aren’t connected. When they are, that’s when I see the end. Because that’s a potent alliance that might, just might, be able to disrupt all 50 US states.

    I’ve gamed out a few “red level” scenarios where things go to the “shoot them, don’t take them alive” level. Such as Obama sending in some Islamic death squads to take American families hostage in order to force American soldiers to stomp down on civilian protests and civil strife. About a year or two before Ft. Hood, I was making a hypothesis and exploring the scenario of how to kill or capture 100% of the families living on base. How to get armed men inside, how to go house to house in the most efficient manner. I was told that bases such as Ft. Hood or bases in Iraq are “fortified” and have heavy armor reaction forces ready to launch at a moment’s notice. Now I’m not saying I was lied to, but I am saying that the REALITY is that US bases are a lot more “soft” than most people realized. And they don’t assume that the threat is “coming from inside”. US bases have a lot of defenses, against external threats, but against internal threats… soldiers aren’t even allowed to carry loaded firearms. All those things are in the armory. If the insurgent force destroys the armory, takes out command and communications, and uses a diversion to stall US responses while they go house to house killing or kidnapping all the women and children… how well would they do if they had a platoon of fighters?

    That was the basic question. Ultimately, I said that the jihadists couldn’t do it. They don’t have 33 elite combat shock troops. We killed any of them they did have in Iraq and Afghanistan. They got nobody to train them up that level any more. That isn’t already fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    What Hasan demonstrated to me at Ft. Hood is that AQ is still lacking some strategic depth. If I was commanding their operations, I would have told Hasan to wait until I got 33 suicide bombers and mass murderers, like what got sent to Bombay, and basically use Hasan’s immunity and insider status to find a way to stealth slip 33 serial killers into a US base. Then Hasan could go to the armor or armories and either rig boobytraps or simply start shooting people and barricade himself in. While Hasan was creating the diversion, the 33 suicide jihadists would go to the residential housing, blow through any of the guards, and basically drop off one fighter per house.

    I tried to organize and think up how they could kidnap any one and get out, but it’s basically a suicide mission. No way they could get out. No professional armed force would ever “take that job” since it was a suicide mission. You can maybe get a lot of hostages, but the US Army and whatever, will never let you go. Their super snipers will have .50 calibers punching through 4 houses just to get ya.

    But they can kill a lot of people. And it’s a bonus for them. They get to hit an infidel military post, and kill them some women and children. Palestinians love killing Jewish women and children, by dashing the child’s head against a rock until the brain case leaks grey fluid matter. Jihadists of the AQ persuasion are much the same.

    Well, that’s how I would have ran the asset called “Hassan”. Fortunately for patriotic Americans, Hasan cashed himself out in a blaze of bullets. And that was about it. When I heard that an inside agent had gotten to Ft. Hood and was so high a rank, one of the first things I said to myself was, “that’s it, he only got about 2 dozen people?”.

    AQ incompetence balanced out General ‘Caseys’ diversity incompetence.

  • SADIE

    I will rephrase it: If those lefty clowns could get to know Gaza as well as I got to know Latin America, I wager they would change their tune.
     
     
    Gringo, for what it’s worth I understood exactly what you meant. The very reason, I get so enraged to frustrated with arm chair tourists, including foreign ambassadors and cruise ship passengers (including the flotilla lizards to Gaza).
     
     

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    Sadie, they said Obama was fit to govern international affairs because he was a child in Indonesia so he “knows” that part of the world. After all, don’t all Elementary Children know enough about the country they live in to govern foreign policy?

  • SADIE

    It certainly accounts for his ‘bully’ methods and thinking the WH is his playground or a golf course.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    Zach, so given Ymarsaker’s quote, who do you think he was referring to in terms of his “assassination teamEreference?-Danny L
     
    I don’t think Z understood more than 10% of what that comment he quoted from me meant. It’s not like he can produce an analysis of it, thus I predict he['s] ignorant of [certain] critical points and thus until he corrects that ignorance, he’s in the void for the moment.-YM

    In Z style summary. Welcome to the Void. Please have your passenger identification ready to be presented.

  • suek

    >>But you’ll never hear a logical counter-argument from Z on this score. Just a bunch of limb shaking “outrage” coming from the Zster’s Zriel Emotions.>>

    Z is outraged at any threat of violence. So…if push comes to shove, and shoving is unacceptable, what can he do?

    Of course, as the Libyan action has shown, violence isn’t _really_ unacceptable – as long as someone else does the dirty work.

    The problem is ideas. You could try to kill even 80%, but the last 20% would still be preaching the gospel of leftism. I think it would be better to just confine them to certain areas and prevent them from mingling with the general population. Wonder how they’d do in their own little commune?

    Are there still any active communes left from the 60s?

  • DL Sly

    “Are there still any active communes left from the 60s?”

    Yes, only nowadays it’s called Berkley.
    0>;~}

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    Historically such troublesome folks have been exiled to islands like Elba. Even in the modern era, it’s relatively easy to keep people on an island.

  • Charles Martel

    Yeah, like Manhattan.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    Given that Z has retreated to meditate upon his lack of comprehension on this issue, I do have to wonder… why does Z keep falling into these traps?

    Is he an AI incapable of learning from his previous mistakes or a human that is too foolish to believe his mistakes warrant introspection?

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    You could try to kill even 80%, but the last 20% would still be preaching the gospel of leftism.

    They can try. But usually humans respond well to terror. After 80% of their compatriots are taken down in such a brutal and public fashion, they will think more than twice about their activities.

    Even the New York Times won’t print bad news about Muslims, for fear of what will naturally happen. And Muslims never executed 80% of the staff at the NYTimes. I can guarantee you that any group that faced an 80% attrition rate… would literally be shattered. All that would be left are useless husks and wreckages of a defeated faction.

    That’s assuming the 80% is real and not fake in terms of total numbers. It has to be real, not fake, for the real results to happen.

  • Charles Martel

    Ymarsakar, given their adoration of unfettered sex, I was rather hoping all those lefties would belly up from STDs.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    All they have and will do is to make our antibiotics less effective. For the grace of humanity, don’t let them get any more “I take antibiotics when I feel bad” plans.