Who gets the blame if it all falls apart?

Sadie sent along the following which got me to thinking.  Is McCain right that it is the Republicans, not the president who will get the blame if things fall apart completely?  I saw a recent poll in which the public put the blame on both sides equally, but I’m afraid the president has positioned himself pretty well.  What do you think? 

 

Here’s Sadie’s contribution:

…JOHN McCAIN. This cretin got the nomination in 2008 – We better be VERY careful who gets it the next time.

I think we need some way of separating the RINO’s from real conservatives. How about a list of questions or such. Applicants for POTUS will have to check off and sign on the dotted line before getting the stamp of approval.

You could solicit a list from the readers with multiple choice questions,too.  (tongue-in-cheek snarky questions get extra credit).

Example:

You’re a wannabe POTUS. Iran has threatened to wipe you off the planet.

Do you:

a) ignore it.
b) complain to the UN and search for common ground with an out-reach program.
c) take the Iranian President, hold him hostage the next time he shows up in NYC.

Take the high and humorous road or the take the fork in the road with serious questions or both?!
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Unmitigated Arrogance And Gall On Display

July, 27, 2011 —  

The grumpy old guy has gone off the reservation again.
John McCain, is quoted in the New York Times berating the Tea Party Republicans for having the temerity to not play the Washington game of doing the same old thing, and declaring it something different.
Mr. McCain mocked Tea Party-allied Republicans in the House for believing — wrongly, he said — that President Obama and Democrats will get the blame for a default if Republicans refuse to increase the nation’s debt ceiling.
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  1. suek says

    I don’t know who “the people” will blame. Certainly the MSM will try to insure that the Repubs are blamed. The internet may make the difference – or it may not. As I’ve said before – I’m a checkers player, not a chess player. That can be a disadvantage in situations like these, but because of it, I’d rather just play it straight…

    Hold the line.

    McCain is a war hero. We should all give him his due when it comes to the time he spent in prison in Vietnam. Unfortunately, that “due” does not endow him with “rightness” in all political situations. As far as I’m concerned, he’s _way_ too chummy with the other side. His idea of compromise is to give 50% of what he’s asking for, but the other side gives 0%.

    I consider him a RINO.

    In some ways, I’m glad we got Obama instead of McCain. If McCain had been elected, I think we’d be in the same mess, but with a Repub in charge.

  2. jj says

    I don’t really care what John McCain thinks at any time, on any subject.  Maybe he’s an expert at marrying rich women – an expertise he shares with Kerry – but that’s about it.
     
    Anybody with any brains – I realize that’s a qualifier that lets out 98% of the American people – is aware of who receives primary opprobrium, and it’s young Dumbo.  That said, I’m quite confident the Republicans will not make that case – the making of which should be effortless – and will manage to piss it away.  Every time Boehner opens his mouth, only one thing should be coming out of it: “the president has yet to present us with a single sheet of paper on which he has anything we may jocularly suppose to be a ‘plan.’  In two+ years he has been perfectly happy with the democrat party not passing a budget at all, in defiance not only of common sense but also of the law – wherefore, why is Harry Reid outside a cell?  It is illegal not to present a budget every year, and the democrats haven’t done so for two.  I guess the president likes that approach: he has contributed zero to the debt ceiling discussion.  Thank you very much.”  And then walk away, and maintain a closed mouth, because that’s all that need be said.  Every time he gets within range of a microphone, that’s the entirety of what he should be saying.
     
    Because that is the simple, stark, truth.  It would be precisely that easy to dump this all on Obama’s twerpy little shoulders – but Boehner and the rest of the republican geniuses don’t do it.  Boehner offers a plan.  McConnell offers a plan.  Why?  They’re negotiating with  themselves – they’re certainly not negotiating  with Reid, Pelosi, or Obama – the three of them aren’t saying anything!  McConnell and Beohner are, for some reason,  compromising with each other.  One of them offers an idea, he and the other talk about it, it gets adjusted, modified, all with no input whatsoever – other than “no” -  from the other side of the table!  It is the goddamdest thing to watch.  The correct response would be: “okay, if that’s a “no,” give us a suggestion.  Your turn to talk!”  Boehner and McConnell either can’t bring themselves to, or don’t know to, say that.  They have fallen into the classic idiot trap of negotiating with themselves.  They won that last election – resoundingly.  Winners don’t have to compromise, losers do.  Twerp lost.  Make him compromise; he has no choice.
     
    It would be a snap to put this where it belongs, but it’s evidently beyond these two geniuses.  They’re going to come up with some BS compromise – premised on nothing but a “no” and their careful negotiations with themselves – and all that’ll do is make the ass in the white house look good, and fracture the republicans – because a lot of us will hate them for it.  (I’m already running on just about zero respect for Boehner – it’s taken what?  Six months and a couple of days?)  There will end up being three parties in this country – and the republican entrenched “leadership” hasn’t been bright enough to figure out that the third party is going to be them.  People are remarkably fed up with them at this point.
     
    Putting this on Obama’s head ought to be easy, though – even with the media lying like rugs about it.  But it isn’t going to happen unless there’s an effort to do it.

  3. stanley says

    We are diverted from what the real problem is and what the real solution is. Congress has been allowing our economic problems to develop for decades. This did not just happen overnight, it did not start in 2007-08. That was just a tipover point. Since Congress and the politcal body have been the creators of our economic problems why are we looking to them for a solution? No wonder there is no “solution”. Here is a perspective as to how to view our economic problems and a real solution. Unfortunately we have been conditioned to not be able to see and exhibit common sense: http://www.martinarmstrong.org/files/Lack%20of%20Formal%20Education%20-%20Part%20II%2007-27-2011.pdf 

  4. Moose says

    I agree with suek to some degree. McCain’s words don’t match the words he used during the campaign: “Senator Obama is a fine man.”

    As far as being in the same mess: perhaps, since the Libs had control of both houses from 2006 until this year.

  5. suek says

    >>As far as being in the same mess: perhaps, since the Libs had control of both houses from 2006 until this year.>>

    You’re missing the spiel…

    Clinton’s economy was terrific (never mind the Republican congress that forced him to their terms)
    It’s all Bush’s fault (never mind the Democrats that have been spending like drunken sailors for the last 5 years)
    But Obama has no responsibility for the present situation (never mind that there has been a Democrat president with a Democrat Congress for the last 3 years)

    Message: It’s the President’s credit if the outcome is good for the Dems, and it’s the Republican’s fault (whoever is in office) if the outcome is bad for the Dems.

    They are the masters of misdirected blame.

  6. Old Buckeye says

    jj, once again you’ve brilliantly enunciated the solution to the idiocy and pointed out the biggest glaring error in the GOPs actions–compromising with themselves!

  7. JKB says

    Why would I try to improve on Krauthammer’s-take.  As he points out, if they pass the bill they toss it to the Dems along with the blame.  McCain is probably just doing his part to protect the Senate cashflow.  There are two battles going on here, Republican vs. Dem and America vs. DC.  Don’t underestimate the willingness of the old guard to throw America under the bus for a few more pieces of silver.  What they don’t want is a clear, public, recorded vote that reveals their priorities.

  8. Libby says

    The Republicans will always be blamed. Just compare how economic and war news is covered for a Republican vs. Democrat president. Given this fact, the Republicans should stop worrying about looking bad or upsetting their Democrat colleagues and the President. Now is the time to play hard ball, enough of this compromising with themselves.
     
    This is why the Tea Party backed congressmen are such a threat to long-serving ones like John McCain – they don’t intend to play by the DC rules, bow to the DC conventional wisdom, and they actually care more about the approval of their constituents and the American people than  the approval of their party’s elder statesmen. Thank god there are now Senators like Rand Paul, who responded to McCain’s Tea Party put-down with, “I’d rather be a hobbit than a troll.”
     

  9. SADIE says

    THE TAO OF STUPID
     
    Obama’s goals were fairly simple and so far he’s achieved most of them.

    1. Pin the blame for the impasse on Republicans

    2. Divide the Republican leadership from the grass roots

    3. Force through a “compromise” budget that gives him everything he wants and leaves the other side with nothing of substance that he can’t bypass.
     
     
    The rest here along with Daniel Greenfield’s Friday Afternoon Roundup

    http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2011/07/friday-afternoon-roundup-obama-wins.html

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