Thinking in harmony with Dennis Prager

Yesterday, I wrote a post about the Ten Commandments.  Today, Dennis Prager published a long, deeply analytical, intelligent article about the Ten Commandments.  He’s right.  I’m right.  They are the Big Rules for a functioning society, and that is true whether you believe in God or not.  (That’s true even for the first rule, about believing in a God, because as a facebook commenter wrote, the big rule prevents us from our “God” being the face we see in the mirror, which is always a dangerous mindset.)

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  • Ymarsakar

    Moses had to find a way to get his people in line and working, in a harsh world that could kill you by starvation or human attacks. So Moses or God, or whatever, came up with rules humans would understand.  This has often been the case, when God couldn’t get a bunch of humans to understand things, he had to dumb them down and use simpler words and concepts.


  • excathedra

    In a former life, talking about the commandments was part of my job description. Lots of people have rather adolescent responses, disliking being negatively told “thou shalt not”, etc. I used to use this reverse method to help folks see the value in The Ten as a kind of a “constitution” for a decently human society:

    Imagine a society in which every one of the Ten Commandments is regularly ignored: no common values in favor of freedom, worship of all sorts of fakery, easy manipulation of what is sacred, no identity except work and consumption, no mutual loyalty or trust between spouses or betweeen parents and children, life is cheap, home and property are unsafe, lying is commonplace and everyone wants what everyone else has, making everyone a stranger, your competitor or enemy.

    That had a way of putting a different spin on things.

  • skullbuster

    Somewhere, someone, during the creation of the Constitution, the statement was made (and I paraphrase) that the American expierment would not work if society was not moral and/or the people would have to agree to abide by the will of the majority.  If either of these ideas were not true, there could be no sucess in democracy governing.  Just for the life of me , I can’s find the source.  If a mob wants to disobey the law it can and there is nothing that can be done.  Especially since we have evolved past being able to kill citizens.

  • Charles Martel

    skullbuster, this quote from John Adams may be what you’re referring to:

    “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
    John Adams (The Works of John Adams, ed. C. F. Adams, Boston: Little, Brown Co., 1851, 4:31)

  • Mike Devx

    I wonder what y’all think about the Ten Commandments (and honorable decision-making) as it relates to illegal immigration.

    Most conservatives *say* they are against illegal immigration because the very first action that these people take when stepping onto American soil involves breaking the law.  And the laws are clear.  If we give them a free pass, we are dishonoring our laws and the very idea of the worth of law, aren’t we?

    So I was reading this NYTimes article on a bill that would require farmers to verify their workers’ status as legal documented workers – foreign or domestic – before allowing them to work on planting/harvesting, etc.
    The farmers – e.g. in Iowa – and it would appear even conservative farmers – are against the bill because they believe they *need* the illegals to harvest the crops.

    There’s a fiscal angle as well.  There is an estimate in the article (if I remember correctly) that we will lose 22 billion in revenue from the illegals collecting/spending paychecks if this were enforced.  That’s lost money at a time we’re already in a debt emergency, drowning in debt.

    What do you all think?  I know where I stand… though I won’t argue my viewpoint just yet!

  • Danny Lemieux

    Mike Devx – I think there are a lot of indigenous Americans that (soon) will be picking crops, the way things are going. Those English, music, sociology, psychology, theater and gender studies graduates are going to need to do something to survive and there are only so many Starbucks to be had.

    Yes, we may be paying more to have our crops picked, but then again…much of what the illegals earn is sent back to their families in Mexico, so it really isn’t recycled into the U.S. economy. You also need to consider the enormous drain that illegals have on public resources – whether it is medical and educational resources or the fact that illegals also comprise a disproportionately high percentage of our prison population. 

    If farmers need to pay more to have indigenous American citizens pick crops, so be it. Consumers will just have to pay more. One of the ideas that has been floated in the past is a “bracero” program, whereby Mexican and other Latin Americans could obtain temporary work permits…this would take away a lot of these issues.

    However, all this may be moot! Apparently a lot of legal and illegal Mexican immigrants are returning to Mexico because: a) Mexico’s unemployment is only about 5-6% and b) more and more Mexicans can live a pretty comfortable middle class life at a fraction of the cost we pay in the U.S. 

  • Gringo

    Danny Lemieux:
    However, all this may be moot! Apparently a lot of legal and illegal Mexican immigrants are returning to Mexico because: a) Mexico’s unemployment is only about 5-6% and b) more and more Mexicans can live a pretty comfortable middle class life at a fraction of the cost we pay in the U.S.
    I have occasionally taken the subway in Mexico City from the northern bus terminal to the southern bus terminal- a fast and inexpensive way to go crosstown. I have also gotten off the subway to get some local flavor. For all the horror stories I had read about Mexico City, it impressed me as being a lively, vibrant – and prosperous- city.
    Chilangos – nickname for Mexico City residents- seemed to have the energy of Noo Yawkuhs without the rudeness one often associates with Noo Yawk. 

  • Charles Martel

    Gringo, I’ve gotten the same impression when I’ve been in Tijuana. Buses and cars whizzing down the streets, bustling sidewalks, hustling vendors and shopkeepers. The amount of energy reminded me of Sixth Avenue in New York.

    Mexicans have always taken a lot of grief about being lazy from people who don’t understand the very effcient way Mexicans work: slow, steady and deliberate produces an amazing amount of result. Mexicans are very much like the Germans—they have a strong work ethic, are patient, and know how to pace themselves. But they have been parasitized for centuries by an oligarchial class (imagine a layer of Pelosis or Reids squatting over creativity and enterprise in almost every corner of society). If/when they get out from under, much of our problem with illegals will disappear.

  • Danny Lemieux

    Early in my career, I worked in a manufacturing plant that employed a lot of (illegal) Mexicans. Then and since, I have found Mexicans to be amazingly hard workers, as long as they were given a monetary incentive to work. Frankly, they put most of us del Norte to shame! 

  • Ymarsakar

    Mexicans must pay off the politicians back in Mexico plus the drug lords and human traffickers plus the criminal kidnappers.

    Thus this money is then used to run drugs and guns, and more Americans die, while the money goes out of this country and into the pockets of crooks.

    This is not a stable situation. If the Mexicans could move their family here and if the Left allowed them to start businesses and become rich, it would become stable and prosperous. But the Left as well as the politicians in Mexico and the criminals along the border, will not allow that. 

  • Ymarsakar

    Btw, people who followed rules and standards that were decent, wouldn’t have made this film.

    But since they can sell to many countries, globalization has created Islamic shariah like punishments.

    In that film you have a gutsy attractive female reporter who wants to go in and film the faces of the hostages, then she gets captured and put on film so the people in the command center can see her get stripped and raped.

    This seemed to have gotten 300,000 US dollars from Turkey. But it also made its debut in Germany and the US. Popular? Well, is that not the punishment set down as just in Sharia for women who dress provocatively. And isn’t this basically the female hate that comes from Hollywood melded together with foreign money and demands?