A pepper spray series

From Zombie, who comments on the gaggle of giggling girls who gleefully relive their pepper spray experience,

and

From Castra Praetoria, who’s been pepper sprayed a few times himself (but all in the line of duty),

and also

From James Taranto, who notes that a lack of actual aggression doesn’t mean that the protesters weren’t engaging in the type of activity that calls for police crowd control of the physical variety.

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  • Tonestaple

    I am so very tired of these moral infants acting like some crime had been committed against them.  If they were given a lawful order by a police officer to disperse and they chose not to, they were asking to be sprayed.

    I was just thinking this morning about the 1960s Civil Rights movement, to which, I don’t doubt, these fools would love to be compared.  But back then, the protestors expected they were going to catch hell for what they were doing, and they didn’t complain about it and expect Bull Connor to be fired and for Bull Connor’s boss to be fired.  They expected to make a point and they did.

    But these Occupods seem to want the moral cachet of the Civil Rights movement without actually having to suffer for it (more “cheap grace”) and I do wish someone from back then would tell them to shove their pepper spray right up their delicate little asses.

  • http://furtheradventuresofindigored.blogspot.com/ Indigo Red

      “The function of a civil resistance is to provoke response and we will continue to provoke until they respond or change the law. They are not in control; we are.” – Gandhi, the movie, 1982.

    That’s the opening to my Monday post, The Great UC Davis Pepper Spray Incident. Included in the post is one of the UCD Aggie TV reports detailing the beginnings of the incident and the original warnings, approx 45 minutes of the actual event from beginning to end in 3 parts, and a 4th video showing the students cheerfully accepting their fate.

    Also included, California Penal Code 409(the specific violation in the police warnings), the supporting CPCs 406, 407, and 408, plus CPC 410 which details the requirements of officials and the punishment if they fail to carry out the previous codes.  Code 407 is most interesting as it defines exactly what was illegal about the gathering: “Whenever two or more persons assemble together to do an unlawful act, or do a lawful act in a violent, boisterous, or tumultuous manner, such assembly is an unlawful assembly.”   

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    I wouldn’t have pepper sprayed em. I would have done something else if they weren’t doing as they were told.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    Btw, to avoid misunderstandings, I’m not defending the police. Nor am I attacking them. In my view, it is 50/50 that union training resulted in this, in order to lower risk for Union Workers, rather than secure anything called law and order in the public peace.

    The other half is, again, the Leftist cannon fodder that needs to be wiped out sooner or later. Unsightly mess.

  • jj

    I’m always torn in these situations.  I see a fat jackass with forty-eight pounds of faux-militaristic crap hanging off his belt – which is already stretched so wide he can barely fit through doorways because he’s in such great shape – going through life with a cartoon-bubble above his head that says “moron.” I’m reflexively disinclined by nature to cut him much slack.  Or even willingly recognize him as a member of the same species.  You know, I have three dogs who are smarter than most cops.  After sixty-some years it’s goddam boring that society remains infested by these heavily armed and dangerous dimwits – who do not do much of a job of “protecting” society from much of anything.  (And no, I’ve never had a run-in with a cop in my life, I avoid them like the plague.  I’m just generally opposed to dim bulbs walking around in – even minor – positions of authority.)
     
    And I’m sort of curious about where a bunch of campus flatfeet got all the riot gear, body armor, jackboots, etc.  What the hell kind of budget do these clowns have?  In expectation of what?  (Or was this a government post 9/11 deal, throw a million bucks at these dopes so they can be ready for the imminent advance of the 2nd Ayatollah Glorious Imam Return Brigade assaulting UC Davis?)
     
    On the other hand.  Everybody’s fed up with the occupy BS, and they should have moved.  I don’t know why it was necessary for them to move from that particular spot, there was certainly plenty of room to walk around ‘em if you just had to be going down the sidewalk in that direction, but okay.  It’s private property, they were asked to move – probably ordered to, given the cop mentality – so they had to move.  They didn’t, so the cops had to move them, and softened them up first via pepper-spray.  (Those great big tough cops are in reality very delicate, you know, they break easy – and then expect to be paid for years and years and years of disability until retirement and full pension – the ultimate wet-dream of every civil employee union member..)
     
    So the occupiers were wrong, they got what they deserved.  The cops are stupid, they reacted predictably.  The idiot at the top of the school is accepting responsibility in some – probably meaningless, in real terms – form, and will dance naked on the library roof at the next full moon as penance.  And California sees another day.  

  • Spiff

    The cops dont have a very easy job here.  They were expected to remove the protesters without using force.  How exactly were they supposed to do that? Harsh language.

    The pepper spray was deployed to make the removal of the protestors as safe as possible for all (but mostly the cop).  I’m sure you can appreciate how difficult and dynamic crowd control and disperson can be.  From my understanding, each protestor was warned prior to be being sprayed (there is a video out there somewhere showing this) – so they knew what they were getting.  Pepper Spray is hardly lethal and probably not excessive force in this circumstance.  I’m all for cops using the non-lethal tools at their disposal to remove these people once they have been ordered to do that by their leadership.

    In my experience most cops are good and competent people doing a difficult job for a public that for the most part does not like them (until they need one) and in general are not “morons”.  As with any large organization, there is of course some bad apples which make the whole look bad.  And unfortunately our society has high and unrealistic expectations that are not informed about the reality of their jobs.  And unfortunately our media does not help to clear that disconnect up, like everything the media covers they only provide enough information and context to create conflict – which sells ad time and papers.  

    What this story needs is some context and the UC leadership to stand by their officers rather than weasal out once they feel the heat.  Perhaps if the chancellor did not want the cops to use force to remove the protestors, she should not have asked her cops to remove them at all.  Perhaps if she wants to lead from the rear and second guess their decisions on the ground she should try to understand what tools they have and learn somthing about the differnt levels of the use of force model.
           
    I do not envy them their jobs –  espicially the ones in places like Davis and SF.   

    Thats my 2-cents at least. 

    Spiff
       

       

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    I think it’s perfectly fine for Spiff to respect cops, perhaps friends or family, but yet at the same time, one must hate the unions for enslaving them. Just as it is fine to love teachers or teaching, yet understand that the evils of education come from two sources: government corruption and union alliances with said government. This is basically the same as the Christian concept of as hate the sin, but love the sinner. You still hate the sin, however. And unions enslaving police and teachers, is not a good thing, you know.

     What people still refuse to recognize is that the media does these things on violence, sex, and untruth sensationalism because they are selling an ideology, not trying to get profits. People think the media is a free enterprise in capitalism? Come on. With that many LibProgs, it is about as free market as Nazi Germany. What they are interested in is CONTROL, not free markets. What they want is POWER, to tell you how to live, when to die, how to die, and what you’re going to be eating when you die.

     Those that continue to think the media is trying to sell stuff, like ads (50% front page off to moveon attack on Petraeus for Counter Insurgency recovery of Iraq), is not going to be able to figure out the best way to defend against media propaganda or discredit it.