What does Europe’s coming collapse mean when it comes to the Muslim immigrants?

For years at this blog (and others) when we’ve written about Europe’s problems, we’ve focused primarily, not on the economy, but on those Muslim immigrants.  One of the things that we talked about a lot was the fact that these same Muslim immigrants subsisted largely on public benefits.

This little tidbit emerged with force during the riots in France, when we first learned that the banlieues that housed the rioters were welfare cities.  The European paradigm was for Muslims to show up, from Pakistan, from Turkey, from North Africa, and to be showered with the European’s post-colonial guilt payments.

So I have a question for you:  What’s going to happen with all those Muslim immigrants now that Europe is broke?  Riots?  Civil War?  Quiet retreats back to their home countries?

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  • suek

    “What’s going to happen with all those Muslim immigrants now that Europe is broke? Riots? Civil War? Quiet retreats back to their home countries?”

    A very good question. How can you keep them down on the farm after they’ve seen Paree??

    I’ve wondered the same about Mexicans who come to the US, actually put money aside and then return to Mexico to live and/or retire. Does their exposure to practices in the US change their attitudes about how things should run? So many are restaurant workers – do they carry the food safety practices back with them?

    But muslims. My guess is that they’ll riot and try to take over. For allah. The question comes down to how well they’ve been indoctrinated into islam – if completely and thoroughly indoctrinated, my guess is that they’re inside the city walls – they’ll try to take the city. If not, then…I don’t know. Have they learned job skills? I guess I’m saying that there’s no way they’re going back to their countries of origin – they’re no longer willing and able to live as they lived before. I think that means trouble for Europe. They’ll either have to kill them, imprison them or kick them out. I don’t think they’ll westernize – at least not in the sense of becoming citizens working within the system.

  • Libby

    Haven’t they set up their own communities within various cities so that they don’t have to interact w/infidels or partake in their unclean business practices (charging interest) or non-sharia compliant legal system? I would imagine a lot of them have been subsisting off the books. I would think that economic chaos would be in their favor – people are more concerned with their own welfare (to notice creeping sharia, etc.) and government institutions like the police will have less time and money to deal with crimes and threats within their close-knit community.
    As Victor Davis Hanson has documented, in California the local police and regulators just turn a blind eye towards immigrants’ various crimes and regulatory infractions (dumping trash on the road, impromptu cash-only markets, families living in homemade shacks, unlicensed dos, etc.) because it’s easier to deal with the law-abiding, tax-paying citizens who will actually pay fines, show up in court, etc.

  • suek

    >>because it’s easier to deal with the law-abiding, tax-paying citizens who will actually pay fines, show up in court, etc.>>

    What dummies we are!

    So much for “equal justice under the law”…

  • Charles Martel

    suek offers a trio of possible European responses to Muslim outrage at having the freebies cut off: kill them, imprison them, or kick them out. I think there is a fourth.
     
    If Europe were to finally defend itself against Islam, Europe is too broke to build the massive gulag it would take to imprison and feed Muslim rioters. So the less costly responses would be to kill them or kick them out. The problem with killing or kicking is that in the latter case it’s unlikely Muslim countries would joyfully accept boatload after boatload of seasoned loafers they would have to house, feed, and keep minimally content.
     
    As for mass murder, which Europe is historically so swell at, I don’t think they have the stomach for it, nor the requisite number of feral young men to carry out the killing. (Yes, I know there are hundreds of thousands of soccer hooligans available for mayhem, but they are imbeciles. And imbeciles are not to be trusted with complex logistical matters.)
     
    So enter the fourth solution, one that is elegantly and consummately European: surrender.

  • Libby

    Yep, VDH has documented this repeatedly:
    “I do not think in California there is much law these days… A neighbor down the road is now openly violating county zoning regulations by simply moving in immobile Winnebagos and creating a sort of ad hoc mobile home park—with jerry-rigged electricity, sewage and water. “Restaurants” pop up around my farm along the side of the road, exempt from state and local inspection, apparently by parking a canteen, plopping down some plastic chairs, an awning, a porta-potty, a hose—and, presto, we have an eatery, with signs no less.
    There are no dumping laws enforced in rural California: stopping the guy who throws out his garbage and a sofa is a money-loser; finding the guy in the Mercedes who uses his cell phone is a money-winner.
    Yet most state lawlessness out here is predicated on priorities of enforcement and driven by public employee unions who sees us the people in terms of “fees” and “fines” to feed their salaries, perhaps in the way the Thanksgiving chef eyes the roasting turkey amid hungry mouths.”
    http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/land-of-the-lawless/

  • suek

    Actually, that sort of appeals to me. In some ways, the “lawless” Mexicans are the new Americans…and they’re deconstructing a lot of the establishment simply by being what they are. We work so hard to try to reduce government, and they just ignore it.

    I look on it as a new expression of “Freedom’s just a name for nothing left to lose”. No possessions? move on! Own land? nice car? You’re stuck…someone can take them away. Or find you – so they can threaten to take them away. Throw you in jail? Three hots and a cot.. You join with your “gang” and well…you’ll be out pretty soon.

    So…the real hold on us is our possessions. Not that I’m against possessions – I can packrat with the best of them! – but it’s an interesting kind of bondage…

  • suek

    The question comes to mind…what happens to those Mexicans? do they join those of us who have possessions and then have to abide by the laws? spend it all? go back to Mexico and become law abiding citizens? go back to Mexico and have enough money to buy the local police force?

    Do they “float” or do they stick? Do they become part of “us” or do we become part of “them” ? or do we emigrate to “whiter” states?

    What’s the solution? vote in sheriffs who will enforce the law? run them out of town? _Is_ there a solution? A couple of generations, maybe?

  • kali

    BW:   What’s going to happen with all those Muslim immigrants now that Europe is broke?  Riots?  Civil War?  Quiet retreats . . . to the United States, where they will claim to be political refugees, and the Obama administration will fast-track them to citizenship.
     
    Yes, it’s a cynical day for me.

  • suek
  • Gringo

    suek
    I’ve wondered the same about Mexicans who come to the US, actually put money aside and then return to Mexico to live and/or retire. Does their exposure to practices in the US change their attitudes about how things should run?
    I will reply by anecdote. One time when I was hitching to the Mexican border, I got picked up by a Mexican who was going back to Mexico for vacation. He was complaining about the way he had to pay through the nose for car insurance in Mexico for just a week or two in Mexico. He had already made a connection about the difference between the ways operate in Mexico and the way they operate in the US.
    There is a fair amount of movement back and forth between Mexico and the US. Through numerous visits and returns by Mexicans who have worked in the US, word has gotten back about the differences in the ways the two countries operate.
     
    Whatever problems Mexico has today, its economy and politics are more transparent, more open than they were 30 years ago. The PRI no longer runs an effective one-party state, as it did for 70 years. The state does not own as much of the economy as it once did. (Granted, handing a state monopoly over to Carlos Slim is not much of an improvement.)
    I conjecture that a lot of that improvement is due to more Mexicans seeing how things are run differently in the US, via working here.
     
     
    My prediction on Muslims and Europe follows. Spengler/Daniel Goldman has pointed out that Egypt imports half its caloric consumption and is also going bankrupt. The new Muslim Brotherhood-oriented government will not find the foreign funds to pay for importing the necessary tons of grain. Egyptians will have two options: starve to death or emigrate. Both Israel and Egypt will face hordes of starving Egyptians at their borders. Either let them in, let them starve outside, or kill them when they try to enter. That is not a pleasant prospect. AKA no-win situation.

  • suek

    I simply could not pass up the chance of posting this link concerning muslims in Europe…
     
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/08/muslim-cleric-reportedly-bans-women-from-handling-cucumbers/?test=latestnews
     
    Talk about narcissism.  Or ego centrism.  Or projection…I’m not quite sure _what_ it is…
     
    Other than bizarre..

  • MacG

     Is reason women can’t drive over there is they only have stick shift cars?  :)  In Jr High I heard tell of (what don’t you hear tell of in Jr High?) a woman that big O’ed observing the in/out motion of a sewing machine…Guess they can’t sew now can they?  And the left critical of the right and champion of these countries say America is repressed…