Dealing with an “honor” culture

“Honor” cultures are incredibly hierarchical.  You’re either up or you’re down.  And you’re always down if you let your honor go unavenged.  Worse than that, if you’re down, you deserve all the abuse and violence that can be heaped upon you.  Honor cultures value people higher in the food chain, but have little to no sympathy for those lower on the food chain.

Grim, writing at Blackfive shows his understanding of this honor culture by saying that the only way America can retain (or regain?) any semblance of standing in the Arab Middle East is to act against the culprits — no hand wringing allowed.

Speaking of hand wringing, I can already hear the liberal apologists:  “If we start the cycle of vengeance, it will never end.”

Well, here’s a reality check for all those apologists — it’s never going to end anyway.  This is not an example of a foolish feud spiraling out of control, a la the Hatfields and the McCoys. It is instead, a case of two entirely antithetical world views, with one of them constantly, and violently, striving for dominance.  We can stand up for ourselves or we can surrender. In an existential war, he who surrenders dies.

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  • Caped Crusader

    This is a war that has been going on for 1300 years, most people are just too damned stupid to realize it; and it will never cease.

  • Earl

    Our military guys guarding U.S. facilities overseas should have “Shoot to Kill” orders on anyone attempting to violate our sovereign territory.  Period.
    This policy should be announced ahead of time, and followed through on….”religiously”.

  • Danny Lemieux

    As several people have asked, “where were the Marines?”


    There were no Marines assigned to the consulate in Benghazi. The job was “out sourced” to a private company. I have not been able to find out if it was local or American.

    I am worn out from two conventions, four years of Obama and the link below has not exactly picked up my spirits.  There is no there there, is there.  I guess if a president doesn’t show up for his daily briefings, he doesn’t really have any questions to ask or heaven forbid – answers to listen to.

    Marc Thiesson reports on a Government Accountability Institute report ( Based on examination of the President’s daily schedule from the day Obama took office through June 2012, it appears that the Presidential Daily Briefing — the time where he receives information about the most critical national security threats — isn’t actually so “daily.” In fact, the President attended his Presidential (Not-)Daily Briefing less than half the time.
    During the President’s first 1225 days in office, he attended the PDB 43.8% of the time.
    But during 2011 and the first half of 2012, he attended only slightly more than 38% of the time.    


  • Mike Devx

    But during 2011 and the first half of 2012, he attended only slightly more than 38% of the time.  

    I think it is time for another Empty Chair Day.

    Obama may be a craven, reckless and feckless fool, but he’s actually no dummy.  As JoshuaPundit noted, for Obama and Netanyahu, these few weeks are the endgame.  All of Obama’s posturing on Israel is predicated on the fact that, in the end, he will do nothing.  The Israelis have known this for some time, but they’ve had to play the international political game.  But the game is drawing to its close.  It is endgame time.

    Will Obama continue to do nothing, or… will he actively harm Israel by putting US forces deliberately in their way to prevent Israel from defending itself?  We know Obama despises Israel and considers it one of the great evils on the world stage.  What we don’t know is what he plans to DO.

  • Earl

    SADIE:  I’m not sure why anyone is surprised by this….we knew ahead of time that this was a guy who voted “Present” an inordinate amount of the time.
    Mike:  Are you imagining that he’ll send our soldiers into Iran?  I cannot imagine that happening. 
    Far more likely is that he will announce the Israelis’ plans if they are so monumentally stupid as to let anyone on this side of the pond know.
    I really (REALLY) hope that they “leak” something false and smoke the b*****d out.  Once he lets it go public, let a little time pass, and then pull off the real thing!  A little like Normandy, don’t  you know?

  • Charles Martel

    If Obama places U.S. forces against Israel, gosh, he could lose 3 or 4 percent of the Jewish vote! That would certainly make it harder for Holder to steal the November election in closely contested states.


    Jewish vote 2008 – 77-78% for Commander Incomplete.

    Tipponline poll – 59% of Jews are currently clinging to “hope” because some people never “change”. On the bright side so far, 18% are not singing,  “Love is lovelier the second time around”.

    Race Tightens As Obama Advantage Narrows To 2 Points     


  • Mike Devx

    Charles asks:Mike:  Are you imagining that he’ll send our soldiers into Iran?  I cannot imagine that happening.  Far more likely is that he will announce the Israelis’ plans if they are so monumentally stupid as to let anyone on this side of the pond know.

     Charles, no I don’t think Obama will put boots on the ground anywhere.  Your second choice is a *definite* possibility.  I consider it a probable choice by Obama.  

    Also possible: With carriers in the region, Obama announces a “no-fly” policy over that area of the Middle East “solely to defuse rising tensions and give peace and negotiations a chance, and to avoid a regrettable incident, and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.”   Its real purpose would be to throw up a roadblock against Israel.  I don’t think we have any air bases still in Iraq; but I bet Obama, Iraq and Iran at least discussed the possibility of hosting US aircraft there to thwart Israel.  I wouldn’t put it past Obama.  (Of course Iran’s presence in those furtive negotiations would have been well hidden.)  

    I just don’t know how *deep* Obama’s enmity towards Israel runs.  We know it’s there and we know it’s bad; we just don’t know HOW bad it is.