A few observations regarding the Navy shipyard shooting *UPDATED*

What happened in Washington D.C. today (12 dead, apparently at the hands of a disgruntled employee) is desperately sad.  I just want to ask two questions and comment on two things.

First question:  Was the shipyard a gun-free zone?  And even if it wasn’t would it have mattered considering reports that the shooter apparently hid himself up high to start the shooting.

Second question:  Would gun control have kept the shooter’s guns away from him?  (I don’t know what guns he used or how he got them.)

First comment:  It took seconds for some Hollywood has-been to demand gun control.  It seems to be that, until one answers my first two questions, any cries for gun control are premature.

Second comment:  How dumb, really, does one have to be to work at CNN.  I bet that all of you, when you first heard the shipyard story today, instantly thought of the Fort Hood massacre. For at least one MSM talking head, though, the little bit of workplace jihad never happened:

CAROL COSTELLO: I used to work in Washington, live in Washington. This seems so unusual to me that a gunman could create this kind of havoc at a U.S. military facility.


COSTELLO: Have you ever heard of it happening before, Brian?

TODD: I’m sorry, Carol. I missed that question. Could you repeat it please?

COSTELLO: I was just saying that this is so unusual, because this is such a heavily-secured military facility. I’ve worked in Washington for many years, I’ve never heard of such a thing happening.

TODD: Well, we haven’t either in this area, Carol. This is the first time we’ve seen something like this, at least in many, many years. Now you remember the Fort Hood shooting in 2009, where that was a member of the service who was convicted eventually of doing that shooting.

Do you think Todd really missed that question, or was he just so stunned that he couldn’t speak?

It’s almost embarrassing to show that much ignorance in public.

UPDATE:  Charles C.W. Cooke has a good discussion about gun control and the shooting.  He answers my question, which is whether the gun control laws the gun haters demand would have changed anything.  Are you surprised that the answer is “no”?

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    I think Todd was giving the idiot time to rethink think? just how incredibly stupid she sounded – a little CYA for the dumb ass.
    Twenty years ago Bubba put on his thinking cap, the type with a little whirly propeller to fan his brilliance.
    EDITORIAL: End Clinton-era military base gun ban

  • Oldflyer

    Book, the Navy Yard is within the boundaries of DC.  DC has very strict gun control laws; about as strict as they can possibly be.  The Navy Yard, like the rest of DC is nearly surrounded by Maryland.  Maryland also has very strong gun control laws.   Now, the folks in DC and the Prince Georges, County, Maryland suburbs of DC, both of which have a high level of gun violence,  always blame Virginia.  Supposedly their criminals go to Virginia, where they magically buy guns in the more relaxed environment.  Of course Virginia also has laws about how guns can be legally bought and sold; but, they are not draconian enough to suit the hard liners.
    The Navy Yard is certainly a gun free zone.  There is no question about that.  It will be fascinating to learn how this low level contract employee managed to smuggle a long gun through the security systems.
    I have noticed that my Senator Feinstein is already calling for Congressional action on gun control.  She is such an embarrassment.   We know that she works behind a barrier of gun-toting federal officers.  It would be interesting to know whether she also had armed private security where she lives, paid for with her millions.

  • MacG
  • Oldflyer

    By the way, I wrote to Feinstein and asked the questions that I posed here.  I suppose I will get an innocuous answer in  a couple of weeks.  In my note to the Senator, I suggested that if she were really serious, we should follow the British example of yore, and disarm all of our police, federal swat teams, and tax payer funded  personal security forces; then we can  all take our chances in a gun free America.  Fat chance.

  • JKB

    Reports are he purchased a shotgun after passing a NICS check (also, that he had a security clearance as late as July).

    He then took the assault rifle and possibly handguns from a gun locker after shooting the security officer.

    There is no lawful carry in Washington, DC. No personal firearm carry on military facilities (Clinton, 1993). Up to today, even after Ft. Hood, non-security military personnel do not carry personal protection firearms at domestic bases.

    BTW, the Washington Navy Yard is no longer a shipyard. It is the Navy’s home base of a sort. The CNO’s quarters are on the base. He and his wife were evacuated to the Pentagon early in the incident.

  • Green Eyed Jinn

    Of course, I still think the whole Navy Yard shooting story is a hoax. Nobody is allowed to have a fire arm in DC, so we know this couldn’t have really happened. Right??!??!
    All sarcasm aside, this sad, sad tragedy is what happens in Obama’s world:
    – Our already overwhelming laws and regulations aren’t enforced for a man with a long history of mental issues and anger problems.
    – He feels self-justified in extreme actions because he’s been told and now believes that it’s racism that is at the root of his difficulties.
    – All the while, a large number of people (many that are military-experienced and trained in the safe and correct manner to carry fire arms) are kept in a concentrated, gun-free zone.
    – During the attack, media know-nothings have to speculate and pontificate about “assault weapons,” PTSD and rogue military veterans.
    – After the attack, hack local and national Democrat politicians have to politicize the issue in terms that are revoltingly self-serving and justified through only the most twisted logic.
    – Politically tone-deaf during the attack, the President is more intent on bashing his opponents.  And in the aftermath, he is still more intent on bashing his opponents and self-aggrandizement than actually considering any of the real information coming out of the crime scene.
    That is the sad situation in Obama’s world.
    The reality of America that I know: we are helpful, generous and brave. Why shouldn’t law-abiding, hard-working citizens be allowed to protect themselves, work hard and prosper through their own merits, and be able to count on our government officials to take the mundane parts of their duties seriously instead of grand-standing in front of sound-bite “journalists”???

  • Charles Martel

    I think Green Eyed Jim has captured what’s going on with Obama now. It’s becoming evident that he’s exposing himself more and more as a pure reactionary, incapable to parsing a political problem in more than one way, which is to say by being divisive and pouring salt into wounds.
    It has me thinking that we may be nearing the Obama version of Hitler’s last day in the underground command post, surrounded by true believers who, at long last, must tell him the truth. Jarrett is Obama’s Goebbels, so she’ll go down with the ship. The rest? I’m not so sure. At some point, when it becomes obvious that Der Fuhrer has gone bunkers, it may be wise to call a taxi and head far out on Unter den Linden in search of some Americans to surrender to.

  • Oldflyer

    There are a few issues under discussion in the media and on the internet that should be put to rest.
    First, increased security at the gates of military installations would be very hard to increase during morning rush hour.  The volume of traffic simply would overwhelm day to day attempts at searches, etc.  At other times, yes.
    Second.  I do not think that allowing off duty service members to go around armed on base is a starter.  I sat on a General Court Martial of a Marine who used the weapon he was issued for sentry duty to kill a room mate over a lingering dispute.  Not to malign service members in general, but there are enough young,  hot-heads among them to make such an idea very dangerous.
    Third.  It is inconceivable to imagine how this fellow managed to enter the building with a shotgun without an EFFECTIVE challenge.  There is a lot yet to be revealed about the sequence of events.  I do believe that internal security on military bases needs a very close look.  Most bases now depend on a rent-a-cop police force for security.  In my opinion, every base should have a small, armed, quick reaction force of highly trained personnel available–at least during the work day. 

  • Ron19

    Is it better that one life is saved locally right now at the cost of a dozen later somewhere else?
    Is it better to prevent everybody who has eyes to see and ears to hear to be punished for pointing out an unbalanced soldier and doing something about him or her, or is it better to be politically correct by not offending someone who might be overly sensitive to criticism, and watch the innocent get murdered?

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com Ymarsakar

    Hollywood HAS MORE FING GUNS than entire armories held by civilians.
    When the hell are they going to control Their Guns?