The media did its job well *UPDATED*
Bookworm on Nov 17 2008 at 11:11 pm | Filed under: Media matters
This is about the most depressing video I’ve seen in a long time:
It’s obvious that the media effectively got its message across — and it’s impressive how unperturbed these voters are by their abysmal ignorance. The last woman, who is also the most charming, openly professes surprise at her ignorance, but discounts any possibility that more information might have changed her mind. Aargh!!!!
If you watch this video, you should also read Paul Kengor’s article about the way in which modern education has drained students of any ability to think independently or analyze data, and has turned them into mindless Leftist drones.
UPDATE: Deanna left a comment worrying that Democrats will simply discount this video, because it’s a small sample, and we don’t know the selection process. However, in this case, the Dems can’t colorably make that argument, because this pathetic simply of ill-informed individuals (fed by NPR, CNN, the New York Times, or nothing at all) are actually perfectly representative of a poll Zogby conducted showing the voters’ profound ignorance of basic political facts:
512 Obama Voters 11/13/08-11/15/08 MOE +/- 4.4 points
97.1% High School Graduate or higher, 55% College Graduates
Results to 12 simple Multiple Choice Questions
57.4% could NOT correctly say which party controls congress (50/50 shot just by guessing)
81.8% could NOT correctly say Joe Biden quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism (25% chance by guessing)
82.6% could NOT correctly say that Barack Obama won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot (25% chance by guessing)
88.4% could NOT correctly say that Obama said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket (25% chance by guessing)
56.1% could NOT correctly say Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground (25% chance by guessing).
And yet…..
Only 13.7% failed to identify Sarah Palin as the person on which their party spent $150,000 in clothes
Only 6.2% failed to identify Palin as the one with a pregnant teenage daughter
And 86.9 % thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her “house,” even though that was Tina Fey who said that!!
Only 2.4% got at least 11 correct.
Only .5% got all of them correct. (And we “gave” one answer that was technically not Palin, but actually Tina Fey)
There is no doubt that Democrats will discount this video, but that reason will be denied them.
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I don’t understand the video, Book. Ten minutes of sheep saying “Baaa-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-….”? Is there a deeper meaning?
My Mother who will be 89 this next January has said many times over the years that the leftists and communists would get to us through the public education system. Looks like she was correct. Mom has her .PHD in education.Nursing.
As I’ve noted: being a liberal is evidence of an illness. And behaving as though there were some virtue in ignorance is purely liberal.
The problem with these types of videos is that the left is able to say that there are always people out there who aren’t informed and the video was cut to only show the most shocking responses.
For that reason, I would love to see this same thing done on a college campus, with our “best and brightest.” Just set up a series of 5-8 questions and videotape the responses. And with each response, the student would have to say their age and area of study.
I think the responses would be shocking.
Deana
Deana, this video reflects the results of a Zogby poll and 87.3% of may own family. As Book said…very depressing.
http://www.bartleby.com/73/1593.html
There is a silver lining here.
People this dumb are easily led (just ask Obama), so it wouldn’t be too hard to get them to go for a Ponzi scheme.
What? (My wife is telling me something.)
They’ve already fallen for a Ponzi scheme?
It’s called “Social Security?”
Oh.
Never mind.
I was visiting Helen’s website before the election and suggested that people should be required to know 4 names to be eligible to vote– 2 senators, 1 representative and the president.
Helen, or one of her posters, wondered why.
Brian has made a point that someone on my blog (actually it was me) felt that we ought not test people before they vote.
Here’s the exchange: In response to a YouTube video Dr. Ralph Stanley Endorses Obama:
BrianE
Hello Sherry,
I argue with Helen at another website, so I thought I would see what she’s been up to.
You surely aren’t objecting to the University encouraging students to exercise their right to vote are you? Even if they are likely to vote for McCain, you are encourged by the fact that young people are participating, right?
Just think of this as an ACORN registration drive on the right.
October 6, 2008 at 4:28 pm
BrianE
Only they won’t register dead people.
October 6, 2008 at 5:23 pm
helenl
Hi BrianE, I don’t speak for Sherry but everyone (all American citizens of voting age) should be encouraged to register and vote.
October 6, 2008 at 5:45 pm
BrianE
I agree Helen, though it is frustrating that our citizens are so ignorant about current events. I saw a “man on the street” interview asking people to name their representatives. Too many couldn’t.
October 6, 2008 at 6:19 pm
helenl
I don’t feel that way, BrianE. I think people should decide for themselves what’s important to know and how much time they want to spend keeping up with “current events.” Why is knowing the names of our representatives more important than other issues?
October 6, 2008 at 7:17 pm
BrianE
I guess because these are the people that are representing them. I don’t think it’s too much to ask people learn three peoples names, OK 4, since they should also know the name of the president.
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Okay. So why wouldn’t Democrats discount this video Bookworm has posted? It was made for the sole purpose of showing that Obama voters were ignorant. This is just the kind of crap that kept minorities for many years from registering to vote.
The idea of needing to know about government in order to vote responsibly is great. But in practice it means the certain values are placed above others. That proved to be especially false when the thrust of Obama’s successful campaign was “Change.”
Why was it more important know the names of people you want voted out of office than to vote for the first black president? Well, because conservatives (those who favor the status quo) think that’s what voters should know. Racism is a thing of the past because conservatives say so.
Why is it more important to know the names of people Obama used to know than to be glad he offered a health plan and lower taxes for the poor? Well, because the conservatives think those associations are more important, of course. And they don’t want to share “their” money.
Why is it more important to fear the word “socialism” rather than being glad our leader will talk with the leaders of other nations? “Damn, don’t you know Hitler was bad!” (Like Democrats think he was good.) “And how silly,” say the conservatives, “to talk without an agenda.”
Why is it more important that we remember that McCain was tortured than that we consider getting out of the war? Well, because the conservatives think it’s about our “dignity.” That’s why. It’s not about keeping more young people alive. Couldn’t be.
Why is it more important that we are against abortion than war? “Well, Duh,” says the conservative.
Heaven help us if we think differently and that our questions aren’t your questions. I was taught (in a really horrible bad liberal university) that you pose questions and then go after the answers. That’s how you learn. Not that I have to know who my (usually bad Republican) representative is. But that’s not education. It’s “swallow and barf.” But “liberal thought will destroy America.: Ask any conservative.
How is thinking outside the box depressing? Thinking outside the box means looking through “other eyes.” This video was made to make people look foolish. And it did just that. What did it prove? Absolutely nothing.
The McCain loss was due in part to his negative campaign. No one asked these Obama supporters why the voted for Obama. But why bother? No reason is good enough to satisfy the conservative mind. So deny away. Obama voters had their reasons even if they don’t measure up to your obviously better standards. I feel so sorry for people who always vote for the “lesser of two evils” rather than the best person for the job.
Wow Helen,
Just a little more background. The orginal comment, by Sherry, was negative toward a Christian college promoting a voter registration drive, IIRC.
Helen, I never mentioned race and haven’t watched the video since I’m at work and have no audio, but I kind of surprised that you immediately turn this into a race thing. I don’t think it’s any great secret that most Americans are pretty ignorant about current events.
You need to quit making everything about race.
And I think it’s fine if people know about issues, but that requires thought and work. I was suggesting something about as minimal as you can get– know the names of 4 people.
I still don’t think it’s too much to ask.
And my memory isn’t too bad either!
“Why was it more important know the names of people you want voted out of office than to vote for the first black president?”- Helen
Because if you don’t know their names, how are you going to know who not to vote for, unless you’re just looking for a D beside their name.
“Why is it more important to know the names of people Obama used to know than to be glad he offered a health plan and lower taxes for the poor? Well, because the conservatives think those associations are more important, of course. And they don’t want to share “their” money.”- Helen
Of course, McCain also promoted a health plan, but that requires effort to distinguish the benefits and costs of each. These are certainly easy folks to please– just tell them you’re going to give them somebody elses money.
As to the “parentheses” around “their” money– last time I checked it still WAS their money. Does this mean you don’t?
“Why is it more important to fear the word “socialism” rather than being glad our leader will talk with the leaders of other nations?”- Helen
Because socialism is a sure fired way to make everyone equally poor. Well not everyone. The super rich will always have money– they just move it off shore. But the majority of Americans– the ones that are the backbone of the economy, they will pay the price. The problem with class envy is that you can never get even with the ones you’re really envious of.
By the way, I still have the name of that organization in Liberia that offers free education to Liberians, if you want to share some of your money. They know what REAL poverty looks like.
As an added aside, my son has served in Iraq. But you know what Helen. He chose to be there.
I think you’re still fighting the Vietnam War.
Helen –
“Why was it more important know the names of people you want voted out of office than to vote for the first black president? ”
The thought process that supports that sort of statement should have no problem with supporting this:
“Why was it more important know the names of people you want voted out of office than to vote for a white president?”
Apparently, race was THE deciding factor in this election. Not track records, values, or level of experience, but race. That’s terrific. We’ve now traveled a tremendous distance just to find ourselves back to where we were 70 plus years ago. How very “progressive” we are . . .
Deana
Deana, I don’t follow. How are we “back to where we were 70 plus years ago”? Didn’t we just elect a black president?
Helen:
This is my first time reading an exchange between you and some of the others here. It seems to me that you make a lot of unsupported assumptions, like saying it’s “swallow and barf” to know the name of the person who is doing things in your name in Congress.
Or the assumption that Obama will provide “lower taxes for the poor” — even though the poor don’t pay income taxes.
I agree with Brian that your use of “their” to describe other people’s money seems to betray a belief on your part that the government owns our wealth and decides how much we are allowed to keep.
So, I’m curious: What is the moral basis of your belief that a government — and, by extension, you — have the right to take a person’s wealth even though you had nothing to do with its creation?
Also, why is it important to vote for the first black president? That’s just racist if the ONLY reason you’re voting for him is his skin color. Voting for a black man for president may feel great (it certainly produced a tingle up some people’s legs), but I’m not aware that a president carries out his job with his skin.
If a white man (or woman) runs for office, nobody says his skin color gives him a free pass on being scrutinized. Since Obama hung out with demonstrably criminal, anti-Semitic, racist, Marxist people in his formative years, you’re damned right any intelligent adult would want to know about it.
Also, since you define “thinking outside the box” as looking through “other eyes,” how is it that you do not take your own advice and look at things through ours? All I see instead is your denigration of conservative views.
BrianE, Why do I “need to quit making everything about race”? Race is a huge issue.
>>Race is a huge issue.>>
Only to those who find it beneficial for race to be a huge issue. For others, it’s just an incidental.
Hi Charles Martel, Apparently, You don’t know that I’m the resident liberal of Bookworm’s blog.
It’s important to vote for the first black president because we (citizens of the US) are still busy collecting black firsts. In case you haven’t noticed, as far as presidents are concerned white and male are the norm. Obama’s blackness matters.
And as far as taking my own advise and looking through your eyes, Buddy, where’d ya think I came from? I was you. But that was before a mystical experience and a great liberal education. LOL
SueK,
Race matters a lot, if you aren’t white.
>>It was made for the sole purpose of showing that Obama voters were ignorant.>>
If that was it’s purpose, it certainly was successful.
The reason voters should know who they’re voting for is that otherwise it’s just a crap shoot. You might as well put the stakes high to enter, and then just roll the dice.
You might as well let six year olds vote. After all, they’re the citizens of the future.
Helen:
Here’s a challenge to you to “think outside the box.”
An organization is founded by a militant feminist who wants to provide population control among “lesser breeds.” Those breeds, she clearly states, include Jews, Italians and African Americans.
Fast forward almost 100 years to see if Margaret Sanger’s dream had any success.
Well, what do you know? Planned Parenthood now takes in $1 billion a year performing operations that keep the numbers of lesser breeds down.
In the African American community, the white-dominated PP now aborts 35% of all black babies conceived every year.
Do you plan to do anything about this overt racism? If so, what?
>>Race matters a lot, if you aren’t white.>>
Hey.. I have red hair. Red hair is found in only 10% of the world’s population. That’s means I’m better than most white people as well as most black people.
One other thing, Helen.
You say, “I was taught (in a really horrible bad liberal university) that you pose questions and then go after the answers. ”
It is very obvious to me after talking to Obama supporters in person, reading what they write on the Internet, and seeing this video that these voters simply do not possess the ability to pose appropriate questions. How can you begin to form reasonable questions that lead to acquiring more knowledge if you don’t even have the foggiest notion of what to ask?
Here. Consider this example: astrophysics.
Helen, I have gone to school for a long time and still don’t possess enough knowledge about astrophysics to form a question that would help improve my understanding of the topic.
Now, I admit my ignorance on this topic upfront. But I do something else: I actively decide NOT to be responsible for participating in making momentous decisions involving astrophysics.
These Obama voters were ignorant, Helen. Ignorant. That does not mean they were stupid but it is clear that they lacked basic knowledge about their own candidates and party, so much so that they aren’t ABLE to pose questions and then go find the answers.
Besides, if these people had actually posed questions and then researched the answers, don’t you think more of them would have been able to accurately identify which party controls Congress?
Deana
Helen –
We are back to where we were 70 plus years ago because a whole bunch of Americans just hired someone for a job NOT because he was qualified and experienced but because of his skin color.
Deana
Deana:
I’m not too sure about your astrophysics analogy.
Sometimes when I go to my local bar on a Friday night I have too many beers and it seems like my head has this band of stars orbiting around it.
So, I try to ask intelligent questions, like Helen says I should, which just so happen to be astrophysical:
—Why are the stars circling my head going so fast?
—How come some of them are giving off sparks?
—Why are some of them maroon?
—How come they seem to double in number when I hit my head against the bar?
“This is just the kind of crap that kept minorities for many years from registering to vote.”- Helen
You interjected race in the discussion before race was mentioned. The fact that Obama is black has no bearing on whether his supporters are uninformed, and there was nothing to suggest any correlation to that fact.
“BrianE, Why do I “need to quit making everything about race”? “- Helen
Because not everything is about race.
Helen Losse
I would counter that only liberal black firsts count.
Belafonte, appearing on San Diego’s 760 KFMB, told host Ted Leitner that Powell was like a plantation slave who moves into the slave owner’s house and only says what his master wants him to say.
“Colin Powell’s committed to come into the house of the master. When Colin Powell dares to suggest something other than what the master wants to hear, he will be turned back out to pasture.”
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/harrBy.htm
That is just one of the many liberal blacks commenting on Powell.
Of course, who can forget our favorite Rev. Wright? On Condelisa Rice.
http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2008/04/02/dr-jeremiah-wright-was-right-about-racism/
In the world of race, only certain blacks are counted. I am still waiting for the liberal blacks to give Bush credit for appointing and promoting more blacks into higher positions of authority than any liberal president has ever done.
BrianE, Of course, everything isn’t about race. But one important issue in this election was race, whether conservatives like it or not.
rockdalian, It seems more likely that Black “black firsts” count.
>>rockdalian, It seems more likely that Black “black firsts” count.<<
Help me, Lord, understand what the woman is trying to say.
I know it’s English and I know some meaning is struggling to get out.
(And forgive me, Lord, if the person who wrote it is heavily pigmented, because that would then make this critical comment have nothing to do with coherence and everything to do with race.)
It’s English all right. Sometimes I think conservatives enjoy not thinking.
Did you see the tears running down Jesse Jackson’s face? How do you think he felt seeing Obama elected? He’s the same man who saw Marting Luther King martyred.
This isn’t about pigment (see my photo http://helenl.wordpress.com/about/); it’s about understanding the racial history of our nation.
And BTW, I wrote my thesis on King, so there’s a couple of brain cells there, Charles.
Helen, Helen, Helen:
I see you are the mistress of evasion.
When somebody catches you in a logical howler (and I’m beginning to see a new sport for me on that account), you promptly change the topic.
For example, I asked what is the meaning of “Black ‘black firsts.’” So why should I care that America’s biggest race pimp, Jesse Jackson, had tears in his eyes that Obama got elected? He may have been crying because the vast majority of people (folks like you excepted) are sick of being told they’re racists or having corporations subjected to shakedowns over purported racism — a racket Jesse specializes in.
Perhaps His Jessiness realizes that his beautiful decades-long scam just got its legs cut out from under it?
By the way, Helen, I’m half Hispanic. By the same reasoning that makes a half-white man the first black president of the United States, I now declare myself a non-white. I believe that gives me 600% more cred than you when it comes to talking about race.
From now on I forbid you to lecture me, a Person of Color, about race!
I find this funny because Obama has planted the seeds of his own problems as a President, unless he gets very lucky. I fully expect our current economic woes to last well into his first term. However, his supporters expect him to change that, which of course is completely beyond his control.
He said something about people projecting onto him their hopes. Well, what if they are not so hopeful due to the economy? They might project that onto him as well.
Similarly, all of his other promises on issues; it was all just a bag full of blue sky. Most politicians do the same thing, but in this case many of his supporters have much higher expectations of him.
– Shelby Steele
White Guilt and its Vicissitudes
http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2008/11/white-guilt-and-its-vicissitudes-i.html
Well worth the read.
Well, That settles it.
Guess we solved that one.
No questions here.
Conservatives rule. LOL
As this site’s new Official Resident Hispanic, I want to make a pitch for some guilt from Bookwormroom’s pasty members for stealing half of Mexico.
I will admit — and you are not to take this as a sign of wimpy militancy on my part! — that had you White Devils kept your mitts off my beloved Aztlan, my across-the-border brothers would now have to travel as far north as Idaho to illegally cross the racist U.S. border.
Well, Charles. I don’t speak for the rest. But I want to wait until January when Dubya’s safely back home on the ranch, before we give Texas back to the Mexicans with him in it.
Helen, there are about 10 million heavily armed Texicans who might resist your attempt to win love by giving away other people’s property.
In fact, my compassionate blanca, you have to contend with the fact that we conservatives are the ones who know how to shoot.
Kinda puts a crimp in the Kumbaya, no?
Helen said:
“It was made for the sole purpose of showing that Obama voters were ignorant.”
Actually, it wasn’t made for that purpose at all. It was made to demonstrate what every sentient person paying attention already knows, and that is that the media did a TERRIBLE job during the campaign.
You can watch the film’s maker being interviewed by Hannity and Colmes, right here: http://www.breitbart.tv/html/223033.html It’s just uncanny to watch Alan Colmes act out the very sort of thing that left Obama voters so totally (one-sidedly) clueless about the campaign.
And, Oh Yes…..Helen’s view on the purpose of the film is proposed by Colmes (twice), disguised as a question; despite the denials of the film’s maker, and his assertions about what was actually going on. It’s truly depressing (as well as educational) to watch.
As Bookworm said, “There is no doubt that Democrats will discount this video, but that reason will be denied them.”
Doesn’t matter what reason. All reasons are wrong if a progressive mentions them.. LOL
Goodnight right-thinking folks. That’s right, as in conservative not correct.
Charles, since you are relatively new to the blog, there are some things that you need to accept about Helen, the long-time Liberal resident of the Bookworm room that we have come to know and love.
One is that she believes in measuring people by the color of their skin, not the content of their character (black, good…white, bad).
Second, she believes in slavery and indentured servitude, as long as it is the “right” (rich and white) people that must be forced to give “freely”of their labor to others that have not earned it but nonetheless feel that they are owed it.
Third, Helen believes that the best offense is playing defense. If someone attacks you, offer them tea, crumpets and whole lotta lovin’.
Fourth, Life’s great question boils down to “why can’t we all get along.” Fortunately, on this blog, we all seem to.
Start with these premises and you’ll do just fine.
Danny:
Thanks for the heads-up. I appreciate it.
I went to Helen’s website and found some nice things there. I have no reason to believe that she is not, in her own befuddled way, an ardent and believing Christian.
One thing, though, that left me powerfully unsettled is her apparent support of abortion. Barack Obama is possibly the most pro-abortion politician in U.S. history, yet Helen proudly displays a “Woman for Obama” sticker on her site.
All of her anti-death penalty and pacifist links are polite lies as far as I’m concerned: If she supports the murder of innocents, all her other stances are just self-regarding poses.
I’ll make a prediction: When she next checks in and I press her on it, I’ll hear that tired old rationalization, “I’m personally opposed to abortion but. . .”
Charles, she also opposes capital punishment (i.e., life for the guilty, death for the innocent). Interesting cognitive dissonance, isn’t it? Obama, by the way, also supports infanticide…under special circumstances, of course.
I am very familiar with all this, belonging to a Liberal/Left-leaning church (at least with respect to its hierarchy). I see a lot of that same cognitive dissonance among the Lefty members of my own family.
I think that a big part of it is that inflicting death on a walking, discoursing adult is easier to conceptualize than the snuffing-out of abstract (i.e., out-of sight, out-of mind) fetuses.
I don’t think that this attitude will change until people like Helen are forced to walk through an abortion clinic and view the real life, real color consequences of abortion in the form of tiny, dismembered and burned bodies and body parts. This is what the people cited in the famous “Silent Scream” snuff video were forced to confront: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJzSiAPXTiQ, or like all those “good” Germans who “didn’t know” back in the 1930s and 1940s and had to be walked through the concentration camps.
The author of this video, Dr. Bernie Nathanson, was a leading abortionist and NARAL founder. When he completed this project, he renounced and denounced abortion forever and converted to Catholicism. As far as I am concerned, this video should be required watching for Sex Ed in all Junior High classrooms in this country. Unfortunately, there is a $-billion-plus abortion industry that will never let this happen, so kids will unfortunately have to stick with learning how to put condoms on cucumbers.
That’s all part of the Liberal/Left mindset, I’ve learned. They love “people” in the abstract, it’s just individuals they can’t stand. This is one reason why Suek’s example of the eagle egg resonates so powerfully with me.
Danny, I think that Nathanson made Silent Scream AFTER his change of heart. Here’s the link for his book (http://www.amazon.com/Hand-God-Journey-Abortion-Changed/dp/089526174X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1227105601&sr=8-1), which I recommend to everyone. Amazing story – as I remember, this man who killed thousands of babies in the womb, lied and cheated to get Roe v. Wade through the courts, and even aborted his mistress of his own child, was converted by the steadfast and loving witness of a couple of Catholic ladies who picketed his clinic for years, always speaking kindly to him as he came and went.
The book is marvelous for lots of reasons, and one is that it enlarged my picture of the mercy of our loving God…..I have been guilty of judging abortionists in general, but if the “hound of heaven” was still chasing Bernard Nathanson, then even a cold-blooded abortionist hasn’t committed the unpardonable sin, and it’s wrong to think it, much less say it out loud. Amazing.
It is very interesting to see me through “other eyes” — eyes that clearly don’t understand. As a Christian, I believe that Christians should be the leaders in the world, not the followers.
It is not a question of “forcing me” to walk through an abortion clinic. I well know the effects of an abortion on real women. I would never advise a woman to have an abortion. Not only is abortion bad for the unborn child (resulting in his/her death) but it is also detrimental to the well-being of the mother. Abortion is not the answer. Abortion is murder.
BUT where are the Christians when innocent men are put to death for crimes they did not commit? Will this senseless and barbarian killing cease, if you and others who support the death penalty are “forced to” witness what goes on in the death chamber?
And what about war? Should we “force” those who condone war to visit the battlefield and have shots fired at them? Would they then get it?
I will be happy to march with those who cry out for the unborn, when they admit the pro-life must mean valuing life for the born and the unborn alike. In the meanwhile, thousands line the streets with horrific pictures, but the same people call those who march against war “hippies,” “leftists.” Just what on earth is a leftist?
I refuse to vote on this one issue. I choose to consider the many issues that affect American life. I oppose abortion, and my guess is Obama does too. But abortion rights are highly joined with the rights woman have fought for for years.
So go ahead and explain what I think. But please know that “objects in a mirror may be closer than they appear” and that all “leftists” are not alike. We, like conservatives, do think every now and then.
Hi all –
I simply wanted to pass along an enjoyable essay written by a Christian physician in which he discusses his views on the cultural revolution that has been underway in our country for some time now.
http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2008/11/18/revolution-of-the-soul/#comment-11934
His writing is superb. And he provides wonderful insight into Christian faith as it should be and not how it often is today, with pastors and congregations focusing on earthly rewards and riches, keeping people entertained, and in some cases, utilizing racist rhetoric to promote suspicion and division among the races.
Deana
Sometimes you have to wade through a lot of boilerplate before you reach the pith (forgive the mixed metaphor). Below is one of the greatest examples of cognitive dissonance I’ve ever seen on this site:
>>I oppose abortion, and my guess is Obama does too. But abortion rights are highly joined with the rights woman have fought for for years. <<
Helen’s “guess” is that Obama opposes abortion. Never mind his open record of supporting infanticide or his clear statement that one of his first acts as president will be to remove ALL federal restrictions on abortion. (And notice the allusion to “rights,” as though the right to murder somehow crept in with all those other groovy rights, so we just have to accept it.)
I KNOW, but Helen guesses. And in Helen’s world, wishful thinking trumps direct knowledge any day!
Charles -
The only reason that the rest of us are not shocked by Helen’s guess is that we have spent many-a-night wading through some real humdingers of hers. But yes, this one ranks pretty high up there.
But hang around. Over time, the shock will wear off and Helen will become one of your favorite posters.
And Helen, even though when I read your posts I often feel as if I’ve taken a hard fall down a rabbit hole and am traveling in an Alice-in-Wonderland sort of world, I hope you know that while I vigorously disagree with your ideas and think that many of them lead to consequences that are not good for Americans, I do enjoy your participation and wish you well.
Deana
Deana:
What you said.
There are many ways of knowing. I want to know what the facts mean not just what the facts are. In other words, it’s the truth I’m after, not just the facts.
For example, when Obama answered the roll call rather than voting for a bill that partial birth abortion, does that mean he’s for abortion, against abortion, or that the bill was written in a convoluted way, so that he felt he opposed other portions of it that had nothing at all to do with abortion. Just saying.
Life is not all so black and white, even before you fall into the dark rabbit hole.
There are many ways of knowing. I want to know what the facts mean not just what the facts are. In other words, it’s the truth I’m after, not just the facts.
For example, when Obama answered the roll call rather than voting for a bill that partial birth abortion, does that mean he’s for abortion, against abortion, or that the bill was written in a convoluted way, so that he opposed other portions of it that had nothing at all to do with abortion? Just saying.
Life is not all so black and white, even before you fall into the dark rabbit hole.
>>For example, when Obama answered the roll call rather than voting for a bill that partial birth abortion>>
Once he’s president, that option will no longer be available…he’ll have to fish or cut bait…
>>There are many ways of knowing. I want to know what the facts mean not just what the facts are. In other words, it’s the truth I’m after, not just the facts.<<
Policeman: “Why did you run that stoplight? It’s as plain as day.”
Helen: “Well, I know it exists but I wanted to get at the truth behind it. To you it’s a signal, to me it’s, well, it’s something I want to plumb, explore, engage with and understand.”
Policeman: “Well, while you’re busy understanding, the fine will be $150.”
Well, we are judged by our deeds. By being noncommittal and evasive, Obama has become whatever anyone wants him to be. So, in spite of what he has said or even voted, he can be against abortion to Helen. He also can be both for the preservation of marriage between a man and a woman and against prop. 8, for lowering taxes and for raising taxes, and on and on.
You can’t be president by nuance.
BTW, everyone I work with voted for Obama. None had ever heard of the LA Times tape, even though they subscribe to the LA Times.
>>By being noncommittal and evasive, Obama has become whatever anyone wants him to be. >>
Who was it in days of old? The Oracle at Delphi? She spoke in nonsense words that each person could interpret as whatever they thought she meant? And by the time the predicted future arrived, the exact words had been forgotten so that the Oracle was remembered as having spoken the truth?
Obama the Oracle…
Just what we need…!
America will always be guilty of racism, and we will be the Evil Ones. Meanwhile, every one else across the face of the earth will get to walk away scot-free, with blessed lives of innocence.
That’s just the way it is, from the time liberals wake up, until the time they go to sleep. You can ignore all their protestations contrary. Those rare and momentary protestations are just their rudimentary consciences murmuring, every once in a while; and quickly forgotten.
1Lulu –
#52 – that is just amazing. Amazing. How could they not know about that tape?
Deana