Happily married man comes out as gay — and stays happily married

Gay men at San Francisco street fairGrowing up in San Francisco during the 1960s, I have very fragmented memories of an older time, when women still wore gloves, and both men and women wore hats.  Most of my solid, coherent memories start kicking in with San Francisco’s Summer of Love, which very quickly turned into its winter of degradation.  During those formative years (from about ages 6 though 16), it was common for me to see people tripping on sidewalks, lying in filth, and vomiting all over themselves.  I was also routinely assaulted and insulted by the smell emanating from these Flower Children.  Ick.

By the mid-1970s, hippies were passé in San Francisco.  The new “in thing” was the gay scene.  The libertarian part of me thought it was a wonderful thing that men and women (but mostly men) could love freely, without being afraid that they would be humiliated, beaten, ostracized, or imprisoned.  Even as the gay lifestyle flowered in San Francisco, we heard stories about gays being imprisoned in Soviet Russia for no other crime than the fact that they were gay.

Nevertheless, even though I appreciated the gay liberation movement, I was revolted by the movement’s excess.  The drug use, nudity, orgies, etc., were too reminiscent of the hippies.  I already knew the price people paid for excess.  After AIDS came along, and the stories really broke about what was going on in the bath houses, I wasn’t surprised.

When I tried to explain to people my sense of repugnance about the gay lifestyle, what I always fell back on was the fact that this type of hedonism couldn’t be good — not for society and not for the individual.  In addition, I was offended by the lack of intimacy.  Getting naked with a stranger and having drug-fueled sex is not intimacy.  Getting to know someone, loving them, sharing the highs and lows of life together, understanding what makes them tick, wishing them well — those are the ingredients for intimacy.  The gay lifestyle I saw around me was aggressively opposed to those “mundane” relationship attributes.

Growing up and working in San Francisco, I was able to see that, to too many gays, their choices have always been, first and foremost, about sex.  Without exception, every person I knew from high school who came out of the closet instantly embraced a package deal.  It wasn’t just that they selected their partners from their own sex.  It was that they suddenly only went to gay movies, had gay porn magazines in their household, hung out only with gays, and voted gay . . . which meant an increasingly hard Left political agenda.  They were no longer “Larry, a teacher and father who happens to have a male partner.”  Instead, “they were a gay man named Larry who happens to teach on the side and is proud to raise his kid in a same-sex parent home.”

This obsessive focus on sex left little room for anything else.  As the 70s and 80s demonstrated (and as is becoming true again today for a young generation of gay men), brief, intense, drug-heightened sexual encounters were like meth for the brain.  Why have a stable, loving relationship with anyone when you could go to the bathhouse, or just walk down the street, and be a sexual endorphin junkie getting hit after hit?  Even those men I knew who were in stable relationships with long-term partners weren’t monogamous.  Instead, their relationships were still about having sex with as many men as possible — provided that they shared dinner with the same man every evening.

Growing up, seeing the hippies and their drugs and orgies, and then the gays and their drugs and orgies, what I figured out was that sexual pleasure, while delightful, is not the same as the pleasure of a life shared with someone else.  We can decide what we want to have as the center of our relationships:  the sex or the intimacy.  If it’s the sex, it had better be damned good and be damned good all the time because you’ve probably got nothing else to fall back on.  If it’s the intimacy and the stability, sex is important, but much less so.  If the sex isn’t good, or isn’t good all the time, or isn’t even there at all, there may be many compensations that keep the relationship pleasurable.

All of the above is an introduction to a most amazing post from a couple of years ago, written by the proprietor of a humor blog called “The Weed.”  (H/T:  Earl.)  Its proprietor, Josh Weed, came out of the closet at this site, but in a most unusual way:  he is a gay man, happily married to a woman and, most unusually for one of these “out of the closet” confessions, he plans to stay that way.  The reason he is able to recognize his sexual attraction to men, while maintaining a stable, loving — and, yes, sexual — relationship with his wife is because of his priorities:

The truth is, what people are really asking with the above question is “how can you be gay if your primary sex partner is a girl?” I didn’t fully understand the answer to this question until I was doing research on sexuality in grad school even though I had been happily married for almost five years at that point. I knew that I was gay, and I also knew that sex with my wife was enjoyable. But I didn’t understand how that was happening. Here is the basic reality that I actually think many people could use a lesson in: sex is about more than just visual attraction and lust and it is about more than just passion and infatuation. I won’t get into the boring details of the research here, but basically when sex is done right, at its deepest level it is about intimacy. It is about one human being connecting with another human being they love. It is a beautiful physical manifestation of two people being connected in a truly vulnerable, intimate manner because they love each other profoundly. It is bodies connecting and souls connecting. It is beautiful and rich and fulfilling and spiritual and amazing. Many people never get to this point in their sex lives because it requires incredible communication, trust, vulnerability, and connection. And Lolly and I have had that from day one, mostly because we weren’t distracted by the powerful chemicals of infatuation and obsession that usually bring a couple together (which dwindle dramatically after the first few years of marriage anyway). So, in a weird way, the circumstances of our marriage allowed us to build a sexual relationship that is based on everything partners should want in their sex-life: intimacy, communication, genuine love and affection. This has resulted in us having a better sex life than most people I personally know. Most of whom are straight. Go fig.

Josh also realized something really important, which is that nobody can ever have it all, something that’s especially true for gays:

One of the sad truths about being homosexual is that no matter what you decide for your future, you have to sacrifice something. It’s very sad, but it is true. I think this is true of life in general as well. If you decide to be a doctor, you give up any of the myriad of other things you could have chosen. But with homosexuality, the choices seem to be a little bit more mutually exclusive.  If you are Mormon and you choose to live your religion, you are sacrificing the ability to have a romantic relationship with a same-sex partner. If you choose a same-sex partner, you are sacrificing the ability to have a biological family with the one you love.  And so on. No matter what path you choose, if you are gay you are giving up something basic, and sometimes various things that are very basic. I chose not to “live the gay lifestyle,” as it were, because I found that what I would have to give up to do so wasn’t worth the sacrifice for me.

(You should really read the whole thing, which includes the way his Mormon parents accepted his sexuality while helping him focus on the things that matter in life.)

I am not suggesting that every gay person must replicate Josh’s decision to acknowledge his sexual attraction to men, but nevertheless commit to a relationship with a woman.  I’m simply suggesting that the gay milieu too often denies men and women the choice to have a traditional heterosexual relationship.  With its relentless emphasis on sexual identity and sex, the LGBTQ lobby puts enormous pressure on young men and women who self-identify as LGBTQ to abandon the notion of traditional intimacy in favor of a lifestyle focused solely on sexual preferences and, by extension, sexual pleasure.

The fact is that, as Josh shows, people’s sexuality is malleable, and our pleasure centers are surprisingly adaptable.  Many people can consciously choose one lifestyle over another — or, as I think happens with many young LGBTQ people — be bullied into one lifestyle over another.

Anyway, coming as I do from a background that left me with a deep distrust of hedonism, I was very impressed with Josh’s (and his wife Lolly’s) coming out post and think it is an interesting addition to the discussion about the LGBTQ community and the lifestyle choices its members make.  It’s especially interesting given that the 9th Circuit will soon be hearing arguments about the constitutionality of a California law that makes it impossible for religious people to help willing gays voluntarily transition away from the gay lifestyle.

  • One of the things the Japanese spent several decades developing was the genre of bishoujo and yaoi. The first is visual attraction specifically designed for a male demographic, from 18 on up. The yaoi, genre, however, was often noted for its focus on intimacy between males, up to and including sexual relations. This genre, instead of being marketed for the gay male population, was marketed for the female heterosexual and homosexual community. Essentially, it was a romance/sexual attraction design intended for women. It shares similar demographics with yuri, or homosexual relations between girls.
    While there is said to be hardcore gay male sex media out there for that audience, yaoi and yuri often attract people who dislike the over abundance of porn in hardcore gay entertainment media. For those that want a romance story about how society is against the bond between two people, yaoi and yuri often set the standard, though it’s not always about an anti societal bias. But as a product of Japanese culture, the acceptance of “gays” is not very high on the priority list, so to speak.
    I found the production of yaoi to be very strange, because most of my life I only saw depictions of sex between males as that of a porn goal, the sole satisfaction of sexual lust. Which is predictable for males, since even though they are homosexually orientated, that sexual lust is not abated. The idea that there are Japanese women of various demographics lining up to buy depictions, even if romantic, of sex between two males was somewhat difficult to integrate. As I researched the issue, the “fujoshi” or the kind of woman that writes and consumes this kind of material, noted at a time that people like her tried to watch regular porn for males and that did not entertain or excite them. It lacked something. As Book noted, that something was called intimacy or any kind of bonding between the soul and heart, of emotions and depth.

    • So, in conclusion, often the males depicted as the dominant and submissive roles in yaoi, are not by their own natures, homosexuals. Meaning, they do not automatically seek after other males as sexual partners. It turns out they are the obverse of Book’s article note, which is of a man that visually likes other naked men, having deep sex with a woman. Whereas in yaoi, there are times when a man, who likes women perfectly fine as a sexual partner, begins to be attracted to another man based upon some kind of special relationship such as: protector, the protected, childhood friends, faith, loyalty, etc.
      What’s scary about the Japanese culture is that they invest and specialize in these social experimentation for profit, while most in the West are clueless or uninterested in the subject. Even if Britain or Australia criticizes the US culture, it’s Anglo Saxon criticizing Anglo Saxons. The Japanese, however, have a truly external, outside, and alien fundamental root system. I’ve learned a lot about humanity and the country of America, from studying Japanese media and cultural products.

  • Tara S

    Ymarsakar, it’s not just the Japanese. Browse around in the “fandom side” of Tumblr for a while—blogs that are focused on obsessing over various movies, television shows, books, etc.—and you’ll see a very prominent subculture of people who like to romantically/sexually pair up male characters from various popular franchises, whether in fanfiction or fanart or just plain speculation, and most of the time very explicitly (and even if the characters are canonically straight). It’s called slash, or slashing, and the vast majority of the people who like it are teen and young adult girls.
    And when I say it’s a subculture, btw, I don’t mean it’s a small thing. Millions of young girls all over the world (and no small number of older adult ones) are immersed in the world of slashing. Even beyond the appealing prospect of two cute guys kissing—I’m guessing it’s a phenomenon similar to how straight males are said to enjoy lesbian porn—slash seems to have an emotionally satisfying aspect to it that females love. And, after reading quite a few posts by a number of users, I’d be willing to bet that most of these girls’ parents (if they’re minors) have no idea about it. It’s not like they’re visiting porn sites, after all—it’s just an innocent social network.
    (Quite frankly, after being on Tumblr for a while, I’m convinced that conservatives have already lost the younger generation. It’s a genuinely fun site at the forefront of everything that’s “cool”—if you’re seeing something go viral on Facebook, you can bet it went viral on Tumblr two months ago and is already passé over there—and the conservative presence is next to nil. Posts talking about oppressive-rich-white-conservative-racist-Christian-male-heteronormativity and how it’s the cause of all the world’s ills are the posts that get hundreds of thousands of notes, while people who *might* be inclined to favor conservative or libertarian views tend to a) keep their mouths shut, or b) prepare to get piled on by dozens of hard-core leftists just WAITING for anybody to say something they can argue with. What I’m saying is, Tumblr *IS* the youth culture, and it’s about as leftward as you can get.)

    • I believe the term they came up for it from the East is GloBL. As in Global Boys Love, a minor euphemism.
      I remember there were hand drawn animated pictures of various women during 1940-50s, but I believe the real live action porn overtook that economic sector. So it is interesting to see a non mainstream thing like “Slash” suddenly pick up steam.
      Most of the drones, zombies, and vampires are expected by me to form their own hive mind, whether one calls it a social media organization or a club or 501 doesn’t matter too much. You won’t find people of individual mind participating in or abetting a hive system often. So it is to be expected that whenever you find a group with common interests, they will aggregate together for safety in numbers. But that doesn’t mean much concerning the overall ratio or statistics of culture.
      The Japanese otaku culture is prioritized on anti authoritarian and artistic expression, but it does not seem beholden to any specific ideology or political religion. The United States, of course, is different given our not so recent development of Liberal Fascism. Not recent as in this started before 1930s.

  • The young generation will obey authority. While entertainment and transexual, transcultural forces attempt to depict their advertisement as being against Authority and the Patriarchy, the end result is that the youths obey peer pressure. Most individuals on the side of inexperience and youth, do not have the necessary personal resources to go out on their own and survive, so they cannot stand up on their own by themselves, for themselves. Thus they do not think for themselves, by themselves. They lack independent judgment.
    Thus once the Leftist Regime is destroyed in the US, the cultural and sub-cultural components will sort themselves out. Gays and feminists will be freed from their tax farms and death cults, free to begin thinking of which road to take, independent of what the Leftist Totalitarian for profit system commands.

  • erisguy

    It’s joyful to watch America abandoning all the silly morality of Judaism, Christianity, and Mormonism which the superstitions of the past imposed on us.
    I hope to see the end of oppressions of homosexuals, bisexuals, polyamorists, transgenders, and all the other sexualities still closeted by the hate of the bitter clingers (and which cannot be mentioned because these sexualities are still hated, still illegal).
    A marriage should unite any number of people of differing sexualities, genders, ages, races. Polymarriage is superior to all prior social organization. 
    I am pleased that is now the man-woman marriagists, homophobes, the sexists, the racists, and fascists which will be prosecuted, fined, and jailed for their beliefs under the the new regime. 
    Let Judaism and its  false morality, Christianity and its false morality, Mormonism and its false morality fall by the wayside as we Americans abandon all that our gods once falsely taught us was good.
    Let us all welcome the new homosexual, feminist, socialist future.  Venceremos!

    • Tara S

      <i>I hope to see the end of oppressions of homosexuals, bisexuals, polyamorists, transgenders, and all the other sexualities still closeted by the hate of the bitter clingers (and which cannot be mentioned because these sexualities are still hated, still illegal).</i>
      The only types of sexuality I can think of that are a) hated and b) illegal are ones that don’t involve consenting adults, such as in cases of pedophilia or bestiality. I hope nobody’s suggesting that we’re unfairly oppressing people who try to express those sexualities.
      (Also, I honestly can’t be sure whether your comment was satirical or serious. It’s satire, right?)

      • It’s not serious. I remember reading some of ErisG’s previous comments. It would take a trip through the Leftist brain bipartisan surgery wing to produce that kind of swing.
        Marriage derives its power from an alliance born of love and economic dependence upon another human being. Since the state wishes to enforce economic dependence of everyone on the Regime, love and marriages must first be broken, so that a woman will never recognize or obey the authority of her man. She must be made to Obey only the Authority of Her Government.

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