Being a contrarian and NOT buying (or being) green *UPDATED*

Am I the only one who has had it up to here and more with the relentless imperative that I buy green?  I have this incredible urge to pollute and waste.  I do not like being bullied, and I am being bullied.

When I’m at the store, surrounded by all the little soldiers staggering under the weight of their reusable bags, I ask for paper and plastic.  After all, you never know which of those bags might rip.  The irony is that, if the store told me that its costs would be lower if I brought my own bags, and that it would then pass that savings on to me, I might be inclined for my own economic benefit to bring in reusable bags.  The green thing, however, sends me careening in the other direction.

When I’m at Whole Foods, which requires a PhD in garbage just to figure out which bin is meant for your particular piece of garbage (paper, plastic, compost, compost with paper, petroleum based, etc.) I throw everything into the lone generic “trash” bin.  No more sorting for me, baby!

I just got invited to one of those neighborhood parties where a friend hosts someone intent on selling goods.  In this case, the goods are handbags.  I might have been interested (handbags, after all, are useful), if the invitation hadn’t stressed that everything was recycled, recyclable, sustainable, organic, and had received Al Gore’s personal seal of approval.  (I made the last one up, but everything else was right there on the invitation.)  I said no.  I’m planning on going to Target tomorrow and buying something cheap, big and PLASTIC.

This is entirely separate from the fact that I have long believed that the whole climate change thing is a giant hoax, meant to destroy the American economy and elevate Al Gore’s (and his friend’s) wealth and status.  The fact that it turns out the climate change people haven’t believe in it either, and have been using fraud, blackmail, bullying, and lies to perpetrate and perpetuate the hoax is just proof of what was already obvious to me, given the identity of those who scream about the whole human created global warming scam.

My green hostility is also separate from the huge element, not of class warfare, but of wealth warfare here.  It is no coincidence that some of the most hysterical greenies (Gore, Tom Friedman, the whole Hollywood crowd) also live the most lavish, ostentatious, un-green life-styles.  These nouveau riche nothings want to make sure that the rest of us don’t get too close in terms of lifestyle and purchasing power.  If we do, there’s nothing else to distinguish these otherwise indistinguishable human beings from the rest of us peons.

As I said, though, my rant today is separate from socialism, class warfare and Al Gore-fare.  Instead, it relates solely to my innate resistance to panic and pushiness.  Don’t start screaming fire in my crowded theater and then try to heard me to an exit that’s just going to lead me off a cliff.

So pardon me while I go run some water, turn on some lights, throw some plastic bags and bottles into the garbage can, and run an unnecessary errand in my gas guzzling van.  I feel the need to make a stand.

As Kermit lamented in the era before environmentalism became a moral imperative and apocalyptic movement, “It’s not that easy being green.”

UPDATE:  I should probably add here that, like most of my readers, I’m not normally a wasteful person (aside from the occasional anti-green temper tantrum).  My conservation efforts, though, come about, not because of green bullying, because I like to conserve my wealth and because I hate to fund Wahabbi-ism.

UPDATE II:  I’m going to clarify my prior update, because I want it to be clear that I’m not advocating profligate use of resources or rampant pollution.  There’s nothing wrong with conservatives being environmentally aware, whether because they’re cheap, or because they hate waste, or because they believe that humans are stewards for the earth, or because they hate funding Saudis, or for any number of reasons.  Those who know me know that I’m frugal to the point of being a cheapskate, and that I live a very low impact life for a middle class suburban person.

I’m just sick to death, however, of the apocalyptic moralizing and bullying, and the frenetic, hysterical tone that characterizes the discourse about respecting the earth’s resources.  As you can imagine, all of those negative influences reach a high pitch on a routine basis in Marin and, on those days when the din is too loud, I go and commit acts of waste as a form of civil disobedience.

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  • Mike Devx

    My favorite part is how they won’t let us go nuclear, either.  That leaves only wind, solar, and geothermal.  In a country of three hundred million people – plus, these energy sources are capable of supporting three hundred million people… ONLY at caveman level substinence.
    It is clear that they want to send us back to the Stone Age.  Those who are honest admit that they are advocating MASS POPULATION REDUCTION.  For all of us, but not for them of course.  They’re the priveleged ones, who shall rule over the rest of us, and decide who is to die so that they few may survive on their all-Green Mother Gaia.
    It truly is despicable, once you understand the full extent of their game.  Now we know about their high priests, their so-called scientists, who are lying, deceiving, and distorting the data.  They do it either for the cause, or for the grant money.  Probably, it is only greed for the almighty dollar: Probably, they are lying and deceiving, solely to keep the money rolling in.

  • Leah

    I’m with you there! A few years ago while spending Thanksgiving in your neck of the woods the host berated us. (we’re Republicans after all).
    My husband’s comeback: we’ve raised three children in an 1800 sq. foot house versus your two children in over 3000.
    We drive older smaller cars, one a hybrid.
    Please tell my why my political affiliation makes us less ‘green’ than you?

  • heatherh

    The irony is that, if the store told me that its costs would be lower if I brought my own bags, and that it would then pass that savings on to me, I might be inclined for my own economic benefit to bring in reusable bags.

    Target is now giving 5 cents off every time you use a reusable bag.  It’s printed on the bottom of the receipt.
    Feel the same about having “green” religion shoved down my throat.  I feel like burning some tires.

  • David Foster

    It’s really depressing how many businesses have fallen in line with the new official religion. Worst are the large oil companies, most of which seem to be so totally lacking in pride and self-respect that all they do in their institutional advertising is blather on about how they’re involved in this energy alternative and that energy alternative…everything but act in a genuinely responsible way by pointing out some home truths about energy.

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  • Marguerite

    I don’t mind recycling because I’m thrifty, not because I’m green.  We drive one car because we’re thrifty, not because we’re green.  Of all the liberal shiboleths, the warming bit drives me the most insane because it is nothing but religion – they even talk about believing in global warming.  Al Gore is an idot, prancing around the world getting even for not being elected President and can’t even man up and debate climate scientists who (quel horror) don’t agree with him.    (Spoiler warning)  I love the end of Michael Chrichton’s State of Fear ,which takes on the hoax/scam of warming and getting us back to the stone age.  A guy was in a plane, flying over thatched huts in the Amazon jungle. He was looking out the window, waxing eloquent on the joy of getting back to nature like the natives below until later on when the cannibals began fondeling his flabby arms as they looked forward to making him part of the menu. 

  • Tonestaple

    The city of Seattle had a little referendum on the ballot, to see if people wanted to be charged for getting bags of any kind from the stores where they bought their goods.  Fortunately, it went down in flames, and I can continue to shop in the city, but now I’ve noticed that some of the clerks at the local Kroger incarnation thank people who bring their own bags to the store.  Me, I’m a double paper kind of girl.  My job is dependent on the forest products industry, and I want to keep them in business.

    One day, some silly person at Starbucks asked if he could give me a sleeve instead of a double cup, to save a tree, to save the world, of course.  I said no, and I’d appreciate a sleeve and the double cup and then I forced him to listen while I explained that the trees that go to make paper are grown solely for that purpose on huge tree plantations in Mississippi and Alabama and no one is hurting a thing by using paper.  Don’t know if it actually penetrated his brain, but I tried.

    I’m with you, Book, I refuse to try to figure out the multiple trash cans that are now sitting in the public areas of my office building.  I just pick one and throw everything in, usually in the one that has the largest opening.

    I hate the sanctimony.  To hell with which is actually more sensible, I just hate the sanctimony.


    I am ‘going green’ and would like to find a dump for  biodegradable b.s.
    My local landfill is full – suggestions. LOL


    Like you, I have somewhat of a contrarian (or anti-scold) predisposition, although it’s probably not as strong.
    Concerning incentives:  The small grocery Trader Joe’s has a weekly drawing for customers who use their own bag; I believe the prize is a certificate for $25 worth of purchases.  They also have avoided being too preachy in their ‘green’ and ‘organic’ stuff, which is nice (and probably one reason why they can keep their prices reasonable for that sized of a food store).
    I also don’t think that one is being more ecologically or environmentally ‘friendly’ by buying ‘Green’.  Instead, one is purchasing the ability to declare oneself to be a ‘friend’ of the environment.  This is in line with what S.I. Hayakawa described as an Intensional Orientation, as was recently discussed in one of the blogs, (

  • Charles Martel

    Leah, what a great rejoinder! I’ll bet that the rationale you got (if you received one) was that conscious, smart, educated people like them know how to be more responsible with the world’s wealth—which is why they should command it.

  • ExPreacherMan

    With you on this one.
    In Dade County FL, we have two fifty gallon PLASTIC cans – one for recyclables and one for garbage. We have never used the recycle can — and often I am tempted to place the recycle can inside the garbage can and wave Bye Bye to it as they drive down the street.
    I figure soon they will be forcing us to recycle, wash the plastics, glass and metals, separate  yada, yada, etc.
    In the Grocery store, On occasion I ask for double plastic and double paper — The plastic bags make great packing when shipping Avacados and the paper makes great B’day and beautiful Christmas card paper for the g’kids and g’g’kids.
    Great post – and reflects a LARGE majority opinion.
    In Christ,

  • Gringo

    For another point of view, this presents some disagreements along the environmental divide, and perhaps also along the political divide.

  • Cheesestick

    I try to be consious & not waste or use more than I should; like turning lights off and not over-watering, using a water filter instead of buying bottled water,  etc.   But seriously, you don’t even know if buying a “green” labled product is really helping reduce pollution (I don’t believe in global warming non-sense but pollution is all I’m talking about) or if it is just transferring it to a different point of the process so that it is less obvious.  It’s just like oil – we can’t drill here because it is supposedly bad for the environment, but we can buy it from other countries who are not even remotely concerned about controlling pollution.  So yes, I scoff at the green lables on products & will usually avoid them unless it is a really good deal.  And I also don’t use the recycle bin at home either.  Not sure how much it will help throwing a few cans and bottles in seperate bin that is then picked up by a seperate, ginormous, gas-guzzling truck is really helping the environment.  Wouldn’t having just one truck idling through the neighborhood each week be more environmentally friendly?

  • MacG

    I was teasing one of  the bosses where I work as he was restocking the copypaper with a case of new paper and not recycled.  He said was such a good deal, he could not pass it up.   I said “That’s Ok they need new stuff to use in recycling so buying new paper is being green” :)

  • Danny Lemieux

    Book, I would think that a leading cause of your frustration with the Greenies is how they have brought one world’s wealthiest, most resource rich, and most beautiful and most productive pieces of real estate and human capital…to the edge of destruction! California should be paradise, instead it is rapidly becoming unlivable. The enviros are turning California into a third world beggar economy adrift in an alternate reality of narcissist delusions.

  • Al

    Hi BW,
    I agree completely.  Just got back from a conference in NYC on infectious disease in children. The most  “infectious” aspect of the conference was the lack of a printed cylabus of the lectures.  We had been sent an e-mail with a link to download and print out the lectures we wanted. On our own, slow, personal, non-duplicator efficient, printers. This was to allow the conference to be more, you guessed it, “green”.  It kept me in a slow burn for the whole weekend.

  • zabrina

    Book, I share your thoughts and feelings completely on this. I resent being bullied when it doesn’t even make sense (i.e. into a quasi-religious “faith” of “going green”). I am sick of the constant harping, to the extent I like you am now quite contrarian about it. I refuse to recycle from peer pressure when it is clearly uneconomic to do so. I will recycle my plastic and glass, etc. either when I am forced to (not yet here in my locality) or when the U.S. stops packaging everything in plastic (oh, the hypocrisy! as if my puny little efforts would make any difference in the big picture).  There is way too much irrational emotion and very little sense in the whole “going green” movement–especially economic sense.
    Because frankly, the greenies don’t give a hoot about economics. The rest of us know that’s what drives people–enlightened self-interest and the drive toward choice and freedom. The envirotwits are driven by unenlightened self-interest and the quasi-religious need to control other people, to the point of wanting to obliterate civilization in the name of saving the Earth. They are the worse kind of witch-burning Puritans. I reject them and everything they stand for.
    I ask for paper and plastic bags at the grocery store, and reuse them at home–my choice. Give me my beautiful incandescent bulbs until capitalism comes up with a better idea (not another government-subsidized-and-enforced failure).
    Speaking of tiresome and wrongheaded corporate “greenism”–you might be surprised to discover some of the corporate “Friends of Hopenhagen” in this list:
    I can understand why Coca-Cola might have a guilty conscience about all the plastic they’ve produced–but the Wall Street Journal??? You think they’d understand capitalism better than that. But as we learned in middle school: Peer pressure is a terrible thing!
    Resist in word and deed. Cling to every little liberty we have, for as the small ones go, so will the big ones.

  • ExPreacherMan

    The Greenies tell us that Carbon Dioxide is a “toxic material” – not bothering to tell that it is essential to the life of the planet.
    When will the idiots wake up and realize that Carbon Dioxide is used to make carbonated soft drinks, fire extinguishers, Sparkling wine, etc, etc.
    Are we drinking “toxic materials” carbon dioxide? NO It is harmless!!!
    Maybe the drink bottlers are joining the enemy to protect their own hides as the Greenie movement proceeds down the awful path of total destruction of our Republic and thus the world.
    In Jesus Christ,

  • suek

    If you want to use incandescents, better stock them in – it isn’t going to be too long before you won’t be able to buy them.  Not only are many of them being prohibited or reduced in wattage by edict, but when the legislators  prohibit them in this state and that state, lightbulb manufacturers stop making them. They just plain won’t be available, no matter what your preference.
    Just for your info, compact fluorescents use about 1/4 of the electricity that is required for the same light output as an incandescent.  They also have an electronic ballast (a kind of transformer) that powers them.  They are designed so that “average life” is based on a turn on time of 3-4 hours each time.  They usually have an average life of 10,000 hours, but that’s complicated by the turn-on stress on the ballast, which results in an approximately 2500 turn ons.  So, if you leave it on for a full 3-4 hours a turn on, you’re going to get your 10,000 life – approximately…it _is_ an average, after all! – but if you turn it on for 10 minutes at a time, you’re going to get your 2500 turn ons – even if it’s only 25000 minutes (about 400 hours).  My personal recommendation?  If you have a light that you use briefly – bathrooms, for example – use incandescents.  If you have lights you leave on all day, use fluorescents.
    Also..some people object to the look of a compact fluorescent – they come in “colors”, meaning shades of white.  If you’re using the light in a general use room – like a living room or tv room, you want “warm white”, or 27K or 827 or just look for something that has a 27 somewhere.  3000K is good also – it’ll be called a “soft white”.  The color used in most offices (the overhead tube type of fluorescent) is a “cool white” and is 4100K.  The full spectrum lights are 5000K and higher – usually 6500K is the max unless you’re looking for aquarium lights!  5K is a good color if you like really bright lights, but may be too “cold” for living situations – but it’s strictly a matter of personal preference.  Older people do well to get the high Kelvin temperatures – eyes lose their ability to discriminate letters in normal household light.  If you find yourself going to the window to see something printed more clearly, you need a higher Kelvin temperature bulb.  I have 65K bulbs in my kitchen and I like them.  I don’t like the same color in a living area.  Men tend to prefer the whiter colors, women tend to prefer the warmer colors – but it’s an individual thing.. and one also affected by _where_ you’re using them.

  • Ymarsakar

    The Left says they don’t like religion imposing themselves on their lives. That’s cause historically most mass murder enabling governments hate religion, other people’s religion. Their religion of the state, of the highest ideal for people, that’s okay and preferred.
    They never had a problem with imposing their religious views on us. They always had a problem with competing religious views. Competition is a bad thing, it lowers the price to which they would like to set their agenda to.

  • ExPreacherMan

    Speaking of curly CFL bulbs — I posted on having complications with them — burning and arcing.. many folks have written to me confirming that they have had the same problem.
    I will not buy another until I am forced to do so… Only incandescent for me!!
    My Blog on burning curly bulbs – pro and con.
    In Christ,

  • oneredthread

    You’re not the only one.  Glad to know I’m not alone, either.

  • suek

    Are you certain about the Home Depot/GE connection?  For the most part, Home Depot carries Philips brand, Lowes carries Sylvania, and the grocery stores carry GE. Don’t ask me why – that’s “above my pay grade”!  Home Depot also carries their own brand manufactured for them – it’s marked “Commercial Brand”, I think.
    There are definitely brands that are cheaply made…and it wouldn’t surprise me that you’d have a short of some kind – China has Mondays and Fridays too, I guess!  But GE, Philips and Sylvania are usually pretty well quality controlled…

  • Lulu11

    I’ve been bringing my own bags for years as often as I can remember. I like to keep enough plastic bags around for lining the trash cans, and dog and cat doo duty- otherwise I don’t like bags over-running my home or never degrading in landfills. I like to limit paper bags too ever since I saw the devastated clear cuts in the Pacific Northwest. It made me sick to my stomach to see huge (obviously old growth) stumpsmile after mile  and no new growth. So I decided independantly. Please don’t link me with Al Gore if I bring my own bags 2/3 of the time. I don’t want them to “own” the idea of protecting nature. I am a Conservative and a thinking environmentalist. I love nature, natural places, open places, and I know these places better all our lives. We can protect them as Conservatives. And I do recycle and I don’t mind it at all. My daughter and I recently turned in water bottles and soda cans and gave all the earnings to charity.

  • Bookworm

    Lulu:  You’re absolutely right that there’s nothing wrong with conservatives being environmentally aware, whether because they’re cheap, or because they hate waste, or because they believe that humans are stewards for the earth, or because they hate funding Saudis, or for any number of reasons.  Those who know me know that I’m frugal to the point of being a cheapskate, and that I live a very low impact life for a middle class suburban person.

    I’m just sick to death, however, of the apocalyptic moralizing and bullying, and the frenetic, hysterical tone that characterizes the discourse about respecting the earth’s resources.  As you can imagine, all of those negative influences reach a high pitch on a routine basis in Marin and, on those days when the din is too loud, I go and commit acts of waste as a form of civil disobedience.

  • suek

    There’s an old New England proverb/admonishment:
    “Use it up, wear it out, make it do.”
    Frugality isn’t anything new!

  • Marguerite

    In elementary school in Girl Scouts (we’re talking ’50s here) we all got a conservation badge.  It had absolutly no political connotation. It was not an environmental badge.  There was no guilt trip.  There was no sanctimonious diatribe from our g.s. troop leaders, no Algore or anyone else laying guilt trips on using more than our fair share of the world’s resources, or that we were shopping too much or had too much stuff or killing fuzzy polar bears.    And we grew up without the self-loathing that predominates in so many young people  who must be confused by the polar opposite messages that they are wonderful without achievement and terrible for breathing more than their fair share of air.  

  • ExPreacherMan

    The Curly Bulb is definitely GE, identified by N:Vidia Distributors (when I blamed it on N:Vidia and sent them the bulb). Enlarging the picture shows it IS a GE bulb. When I contacted GE, they did not want the old bulb returned but sent a $10.00 credit. They must have had similar problems before. Several folks wrote on the Blog and via email with similar problems, some with Chinese bulbs.
    Tell your old New England folks that I Used it up, wore it out, tried to make it do, but the effort was short lived and stunk.
    The idea of being forced by Gov. mandate to phase out incandescent is unbelievable in a once free American Republic — once Free Market system and all that we once were..
    In Christ,

  • Ymarsakar

    As you can imagine, all of those negative influences reach a high pitch on a routine basis in Marin and, on those days when the din is too loud, I go and commit acts of waste as a form of civil disobedience.
    We feel for ya, Book. However constraining the chains of the Left feels, know that your mind is free. Can’t say that for the rest of the poor buggers.
    Instead of wasting resources, go do some fighting on the mats and imagine you’re whooping Nancy Pelosi and O bow mao.

  • Ymarsakar

    Now you want to have the killer intent here. In normal martial arts sparring, you are taught to be respectful, safety tips, tap out, rules, and etc. You may bow to your partner, speak as if at a dinner party.

    Now if you want to wreck Obama and the Left, you want to adopt TFT’s training methodology. Don’t speak to the target. Treat the target as an inanimate object moving to your blows like a human analog robot. Calculate strikes for effect, if you observe the right reaction, step in and take advantage of it. If the target is on the ground, seek a vital area like the wind pipe, line up those semi-short knees over it, and drop your weight right on top, looking exactly where it should go.
    That’s what you should think of when you think of the Left’s programs of transmogrification.

  • suek

    >>The idea of being forced by Gov. mandate to phase out incandescent is unbelievable in a once free American Republic>>
    Please don’t think I disagree with you on this…
    My comments are directed to life as it is, not as I think it _should_ be!  I think compact fluorescents are a terrific option.  The only good think about the government mandating their use is that when our corrupt officials finish giving incandescents the old heave-ho, _they_ won’t be able to get incandescents either – even if their corrupt practices have garnered them millions – they simply won’t be able to be had.
    I hope their wives and secretaries nag them to death about it!
    By the way – all those track can lights people have?  BIG problem.

  • pst314

    To yank the chain of annoying eco-fanatics:
    Archie McPhee sells a green shopping bag emblazoned “my reusable bag makes me better than you”.
    T-Shirt Hell sells a shirt reading “This shirt is 100% organic: 25% panda, 65% baby seal, 10% polar bear”.
    The Saskatoon Restaurant sells t-shirts with a pastoral scene under which is printed “There’s room for all God’s creatures…right next to the mashed potatoes.”


    There’s another issue here, although we can focus on plastic/paper/cloth.  It’s  more than a sense of being treated like a child, being told what to buy, where to throw it away, how to use it. This is the stuff of childhood and I am taking shot here and sayin’ we’ve put that to rest a long time ago.
    It’s the wearing away (it feels like nails on a chalkboard) that any agency, any One tells me what I should be doing, as if all common sense left me after the first time I voted. Once you pay your first electric bill, you know not to leave the lights on and the thermostat up/down when you’re out. Anyone who grew up post 1929 to WWII Ration Books either directly or indirectly with parents and grandparents, was taught not to waste or reuse or make good use of (fill in the blank). Pot luck dinners and leftovers were not found in the frozen food aisle of your supermarket – they’re an offshoot of knowing the right thing to do.
    To end my rant, hearing the dictates from any agency, Federal, State or Local, who wastes incredibly sums of our money on poor decisions (How many copies of the healthcareless bill) is in no position to tell me what the ‘right’ thing is to do.
    To quote my mother when someone was  nasty or rude:  CONSIDER THE SOURCE.

  • Lulu11

    Sadie and Bookworm, you are both absolutely right. It is the self-righteous, blowhard arrogance and the promotion of simplistic, self-congratulatory, feel good solutions that are so annoying. I feel your pain. Still, I don’t want them to own caring for the earth, as they feel they do now, just as they feel they own compassion for the poor and downtrodden, sensitivity to minorities and all kinds of other twists and turns of fact. So somehow we have to find a smart way to express Conservative environmentalism. Your frugality is a good starting point. Why not let the next fashionista blowhard be shocked to learn that you can keep appliances and clothes longer- thus saving resources and energy, or that heating part of or smaller homes use less energy, or that China doesn’t follow green laws at all, and etc. Just a thought.


    “I don’t want them to own caring for the earth….”
    They don’t – they’re  squatters and they don’t give a damn, who owns the land.

  • Marguerite

    “I don’t want them to own caring for the earth….” They don’t care about the earth anymore than they care about healthcare!  “So somehow we have to find a smart way to express Conservative environmentalism.” If Conservative environmentalism is anything like Compassionate Conservatism it’s a real loser.   Conservatism IS compassionate.  Why do we have to jump on their band wagon?  Yuk. 

  • Lulu11

    Who said anything about jumping on their bandwagon? They perceive one side as caring for the earth and one not. That’s false. We need to offer logic that also takes care of the natural world in response to their emotion driven pressures- that’s all I was saying.

  • Ymarsakar

    Why do we have to jump on their band wagon?
    In the propaganda war, you don’t have to jump on their band wagon but you do have to waylay the wagon and force the people on it off. Otherwise the enemy will just keep recruiting more people, gaining more resources and territory. Eventually, they will have defensive emplacements everywhere.


    “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice.” – Albert Einstein

  • Marguerite

    Vis a vis recycling, lighting, home heating, gasoline-using, yard watering, etc – I just can’t make myself go around saying look at me, I care, too.  But I stuck my neck out in March of this year.  At a book club I reviewed Chichton’s State of Fear to a large group of mostly environmental types who also happen to be some very close friends of long standing.  It was my vehicle to get the truth out there without taking on individuals.  You could have heard a pine needle drop.  With this week’s revelations of the pathetic fraud that has been perpetrated at the highest levels of the enviro-weasles, I’m very glad I spoke out, even in a low-key manner.  But I’m not waiting for the phone to ring.

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